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Post by String on Sept 8, 2021 13:45:38 GMT -5
This reminds me of an anecdote that Peter David once related in his But I Digress column back in CBG. To paraphrase, he had encountered two young boys who were big fans of Rami's Spider-Man films and were waiting for new adventures to be released. When PAD pointed out that they could check out the latest comic issues of Spider-Man for new adventures, he discovered they were only interested in new films, that's it.
It's a different generation now with more options to consume new content; films, mini-series, animation and such. Comics being the original source material seems to have gone by the wayside.
As for the OP, nowadays, the only person I give any sort of in-depth comic background in response to any questions is my son. He's in his mid 20s now and while his mother and I shared joint custody of him during his childhood, he was exposed to my comic habits and collection. But I never forced anything onto him concerning comics, only tried to encourage him towards any books that he felt drawn towards reading (Bone was big favorite of his as a kid).
He has a base knowledge of the comics but if he has any questions after watching something, I'll take the time to fill in the blanks for him which he does appreciate. For example, he had quite a few questions about the Loki finale which I was able to answer. Yeah, it's kinda letting out my inner geek but it makes for some nice bonding moments regardless.
Other than him, nope! I don't even bother, I just leave any answers to whether I liked the movie or not, that's it.
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 8, 2021 13:45:56 GMT -5
I once read-- many years ago-- the opinions that while FLASH GORDON had the very BEST art of any adventure strip in the papers back then, it also had the "worst" writing. I now fully agree with that estimation. What I read long ago was, read Flash Gordon for the art and Buck Rogers for the story.
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Post by profh0011 on Sept 8, 2021 13:58:50 GMT -5
What I read long ago was, read Flash Gordon for the art and Buck Rogers for the story. Good advice! I'm decades behind on this, but... I really gotta get ahold of the complete GRAY MORROW newspapaer run of BUCK ROGERS. The syndicate revived the strip after a 10-year break in reaction to the Glen Larson TV series. Not only did Morrow do the BEST BR art ever, the writing was way better than the show. (If I'm not mistaken, the Western / Gold Key comics followed the TV show continuity, but the revived newspaper strip followed the continuity of the original comic-strip. So Kane was the main baddie, Ardala was his girlfriend-sidekick.)
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Post by berkley on Sept 8, 2021 16:58:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I fully realise that I'm not part of the target audience for these films: that's why I see any enjoyment, no matter how small, that I can get out of them as a bonus.
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Post by tartanphantom on Sept 10, 2021 14:46:40 GMT -5
This is my usual knee-jerk response to "those" people... I don't even bother trying to "convert" comic-movie buffs anymore. If they don't have enough ambition to research it for themselves, that's on them. "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
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Post by berkley on Sept 10, 2021 15:12:45 GMT -5
What I read long ago was, read Flash Gordon for the art and Buck Rogers for the story. Good advice! I'm decades behind on this, but... I really gotta get ahold of the complete GRAY MORROW newspapaer run of BUCK ROGERS. The syndicate revived the strip after a 10-year break in reaction to the Glen Larson TV series. Not only did Morrow do the BEST BR art ever, the writing was way better than the show. (If I'm not mistaken, the Western / Gold Key comics followed the TV show continuity, but the revived newspaper strip followed the continuity of the original comic-strip. So Kane was the main baddie, Ardala was his girlfriend-sidekick.) I'd like to get everything I can by Morrow, don't think I knew about this Buck Rogers revival. Has it been collected or reprinted anywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 15:30:17 GMT -5
Good advice! I'm decades behind on this, but... I really gotta get ahold of the complete GRAY MORROW newspapaer run of BUCK ROGERS. The syndicate revived the strip after a 10-year break in reaction to the Glen Larson TV series. Not only did Morrow do the BEST BR art ever, the writing was way better than the show. (If I'm not mistaken, the Western / Gold Key comics followed the TV show continuity, but the revived newspaper strip followed the continuity of the original comic-strip. So Kane was the main baddie, Ardala was his girlfriend-sidekick.) I'd like to get everything I can by Morrow, don't think I knew about this Buck Rogers revival. Has it been collected or reprinted anywhere? There's a couple different editions collecting it, I picked this one up at a con earlier this summer... but there was a more recent hardcover collection I think from Hermes Press. -M
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 10, 2021 15:57:04 GMT -5
I'm fine with modern fans only being interested in the films and series. I get it. As a young kid I thought Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends was canon Marvel until I started collected regularly in 1986. Ha. What irks me a bit is that the MCU fans will never get to see the adapted Marvel Universe in the "proper order." Realistically, the Infinity Gauntlet story was not only underwhelming compared to the comic version (smaller scope, no Thanos/Death story, no cosmic entities, etc.) it was way too soon in the overall narrative for my taste. Now I enjoyed most of the films, primarily because of the tone, and I do realize they were hampered at the beginning by not having access to the Fantastic Four and X-Men universes. At the very least I would have liked to seen something like the Kree/Skrull war to kick things off, though I realize the Skrulls weren't available.
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Post by badwolf on Sept 10, 2021 16:11:51 GMT -5
I'm fine with modern fans only being interested in the films and series. I get it. As a young kid I thought Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends was canon Marvel until I started collected regularly in 1986. Ha. What irks me a bit is that the MCU fans will never get to see the adapted Marvel Universe in the "proper order." Realistically, the Infinity Gauntlet story was not only underwhelming compared to the comic version (smaller scope, no Thanos/Death story, no cosmic entities, etc.) it was way too soon in the overall narrative for my taste. Now I enjoyed most of the films, primarily because of the tone, and I do realize they were hampered at the beginning by not having access to the Fantastic Four and X-Men universes. At the very least I would have liked to seen something like the Kree/Skrull war to kick things off, though I realize the Skrulls weren't available. I hate how they always want to jump to the latest (or recent) "hot" story so quickly after the initial film. Infinity Gauntlet, Extremis, Winter Soldier... There are hundreds of great stories they could have drawn from in between... It was especially dumb for The Winter Soldier since only a few years had passed for us... it had no impact.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 10, 2021 16:19:52 GMT -5
I'm fine with modern fans only being interested in the films and series. I get it. As a young kid I thought Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends was canon Marvel until I started collected regularly in 1986. Ha. What irks me a bit is that the MCU fans will never get to see the adapted Marvel Universe in the "proper order." Realistically, the Infinity Gauntlet story was not only underwhelming compared to the comic version (smaller scope, no Thanos/Death story, no cosmic entities, etc.) it was way too soon in the overall narrative for my taste. Now I enjoyed most of the films, primarily because of the tone, and I do realize they were hampered at the beginning by not having access to the Fantastic Four and X-Men universes. At the very least I would have liked to seen something like the Kree/Skrull war to kick things off, though I realize the Skrulls weren't available. I hate how they always want to jump to the latest (or recent) "hot" story so quickly after the initial film. Infinity Gauntlet, Extremis, Winter Soldier... There are hundreds of great stories they could have drawn from in between... It was especially dumb for The Winter Soldier since only a few years had passed for us... it had no impact.
I agree. I get that they didn't have 20 years to get to Demon in a Bottle with Iron Man, but that's movies for you. I really hope they set the FF in the past and bring them into the modern MCU. So many ways to do this. The FF don't work as well being second fiddle in influence and importance to the Avengers. All I want is to see a proper Doctor Doom and Galactus before I'm too old (in a bout 40 years) to remember who those characters are...
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Post by impulse on Sept 10, 2021 16:31:37 GMT -5
I'm fine with modern fans only being interested in the films and series. I get it. As a young kid I thought Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends was canon Marvel until I started collected regularly in 1986. Ha. What irks me a bit is that the MCU fans will never get to see the adapted Marvel Universe in the "proper order." Realistically, the Infinity Gauntlet story was not only underwhelming compared to the comic version (smaller scope, no Thanos/Death story, no cosmic entities, etc.) it was way too soon in the overall narrative for my taste. Now I enjoyed most of the films, primarily because of the tone, and I do realize they were hampered at the beginning by not having access to the Fantastic Four and X-Men universes. At the very least I would have liked to seen something like the Kree/Skrull war to kick things off, though I realize the Skrulls weren't available. I hate how they always want to jump to the latest (or recent) "hot" story so quickly after the initial film. Infinity Gauntlet, Extremis, Winter Soldier... There are hundreds of great stories they could have drawn from in between... It was especially dumb for The Winter Soldier since only a few years had passed for us... it had no impact.
On the other hand, Winter Soldier was an excellent movie, at least in my top 3 Marvel movies. It also makes sense they would do the more grounded, more sure-thing hits before they got too out there with comic book weirdness. I still remember thinking they were getting ahead of themselves when they announced GotG, but they made that work which opened the door the weird cosmic stuff. I can understand wishing we could see it in the original order, but I think they have done a really great job setting it up and getting enough of a following that the general public will give them a chance on the weirder stuff now than if they tried to go there right out of the gate.
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 10, 2021 16:57:38 GMT -5
What is the "it" that they never get right? Am I required to cite every example? I was pretty sure everyone would get what I mean...some element of the character is off...whether it be origin, look or how a character's power works. I basically can't watch Raimi's Spider-Man movies. Peter having organic webs just ruins it for me. "It" meaning Raimi's Spider-Man. Organic webs never bothered me; the important part of the Raimi films was capturing the heart of the lead character, and the films--1 & 2 in particular--soared with kind of angst and superheroic drama of the early Stan Lee / John Romita era, and for that, Raimi's films are the far-and-away best Spider-Man adaptations to date.
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Post by profh0011 on Sept 10, 2021 18:00:41 GMT -5
All I want is to see a proper Doctor Doom and Galactus before I'm too old (in a bout 40 years) to remember who those characters are... Oh, well, for that, you gotta watch the 1967 Hanna-Barbera FANTASTIC FOUR cartoons.
Galactus was voiced by Ted Cassidy, the Silver Surfer by Vic Perrin, and the Watcher by Paul Frees.
And Dr. Doom was HARVEY KORMAN!
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Post by kirby101 on Sept 10, 2021 18:36:04 GMT -5
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Post by badwolf on Sept 10, 2021 18:43:48 GMT -5
I hate how they always want to jump to the latest (or recent) "hot" story so quickly after the initial film. Infinity Gauntlet, Extremis, Winter Soldier... There are hundreds of great stories they could have drawn from in between... It was especially dumb for The Winter Soldier since only a few years had passed for us... it had no impact.
I agree. I get that they didn't have 20 years to get to Demon in a Bottle with Iron Man, but that's movies for you. Heh, well that's from "my" era so I didn't mind it. The only thing I didn't like was that cringey party scene and the contrived fight with Rhodey. They could have demonstrated his problem some other way, like by having him screw up on a mission, but that whole section brings the film to a grinding halt.
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