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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 24, 2021 9:28:56 GMT -5
Don't both Companies already do books that would never happen? Oops. My bad. They both publish books that never last. My mistake. Heh.. you're not wrong... I mean, who the heck was demanding a Reptil mini series for Marvel. (it's good, I'm reading it, but is anyone else? Not sure). If you only publish what funny-book readers "demand" you're just going to have 47 Batman books, 35 Avengers books and 28 1/2 Wolverine books.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 9:36:49 GMT -5
Don't both Companies already do books that would never happen? Oops. My bad. They both publish books that never last. My mistake. Heh.. you're not wrong... I mean, who the heck was demanding a Reptil mini series for Marvel. (it's good, I'm reading it, but is anyone else? Not sure). Got another one for you... Set in the mid 80s, a look behind the curtain at the company that backs Iron Man... call it 'Stark International'... starrring Mrs. Abrogast, Pepper Potts, and Happy Hogan. Who was demanding an Amazing Spider-Man feature in Amazing Fantasy when they published it? You put out books and they find an audience or they don't. The issue with modern comics is not that they are not good enough to find an audience and last, it's that there is no audience to find. There is no audience for new material in periodical format. The only consumers of that format left only want to buy the things they have been habitually buying for decades. No new audiences have come to that format in decades, so no new properties are going to find an audience because the products released do not reach a mass market audience where new consumers could be found. The remaining audience for periodical comics has shown again and again through their buying habits they are neophobic creatures of habit. The only new books finding audiences these days are books published in formats other than the monthly periodical and targeted at audiences outside the niche direct market customer base. If the comic buying market of the 21st century existed in the 1960s, the launch of the Marvel Universe would have been an abject failure and books like Fantastic Four and Spider-Man would have been cancelled in less than 2 years due to lack of sales. Thankfully they launched at a time when comic fans weren't the only market for comic books and had a chance to find an audience and thrive rather than falling on the deaf ears of habitual comic buyers who do not invest in characters or stories that they haven't been buying since the beginning of their time as comic consumers. -M
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 24, 2021 18:10:00 GMT -5
Heh.. you're not wrong... I mean, who the heck was demanding a Reptil mini series for Marvel. (it's good, I'm reading it, but is anyone else? Not sure). If you only publish what funny-book readers "demand" you're just going to have 47 Batman books, 35 Avengers books and 28 1/2 Wolverine books. DC has, If I counted correctly, 40 bat related books for November... that's not counting team books (like JLA, Suicide, or Titans) that have Batman or his 'family' in it. So yeah, that happens
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 19:14:41 GMT -5
If you only publish what funny-book readers "demand" you're just going to have 47 Batman books, 35 Avengers books and 28 1/2 Wolverine books. DC has, If I counted correctly, 40 bat related books for November... that's not counting team books (like JLA, Suicide, or Titans) that have Batman or his 'family' in it. So yeah, that happens I've said it before and it's still true-comic fans get the books that their buying habits (not their internet postings) deserve. -M
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 24, 2021 19:19:26 GMT -5
I wonder if there are people out there buying all of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 19:33:19 GMT -5
I wonder if there are people out there buying all of them. Obviously the retailers who are DC's actual customers are since the books are non-returnable continue to order them. How many reach end customers, we'll never know, but retailers who know what they are doing would make sure they have at least an 80% sell through to achieve break even status on the titles (when all operating expenses for operating a store are factored in, numbers based on info given by Brian Hibbs in various Titling at Windmills columns over the years). Since many shops order to sell through before the following week's books come on for 80-90% of the titles in the monthly catalog (i.e. pulls + average 1st week shelf sales), I would surmise with the exception of buy ins for variants or overbuys/overships to achieve better discounts that the vast majority of books outside the top 30-50 titles never see the shelves and are preorder sales only, and the vast majority of copies ordered even of the top sellers in the charts wind up in the hands of end customers. The net take, if publishers are making them, people are buying them (again barring overbuys to get variants order thresholds or discounts that wind up costing the retailer little or nothing and which they can sell in bargain bins as pure profit even at $1). -M
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 24, 2021 19:39:43 GMT -5
What I meant was are indivual Batman fans buying all the books... Of course they're selling in general if they're getting published Seems like it'd be really hard to be a completist at that level of production... that's a long box a year of JUST Batman!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 19:41:48 GMT -5
What I meant was are indivual Batman fans buying all the books... Of course they're selling in general if they're getting published Seems like it'd be really hard to be a completist at that level of production... that's a long box a year of JUST Batman! So almost to the level of the number of Batman books, minis, specials, trades, OGNs etc. that DC put out between '89 and '93 during the height of Batmania.., after the Burton film -M PS it seems proportionately more now because DC's overall output in much less, so it's a greater percentage of the line, but it's not out of whack with the number of Batbooks being put out overall at that time.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 24, 2021 19:49:19 GMT -5
That might be true... there was an awful lot then too. It's definitely a higher percentage right now. In a way it makes sense.. how many hundreds of C and D list characters get 6 to 12 issue series?
It's a bit sad though... I mean, with out those failures, you never get the occasion break out hit like Hitman, Ms. Marvel, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 20:04:31 GMT -5
That might be true... there was an awful lot then too. It's definitely a higher percentage right now. In a way it makes sense.. how many hundreds of C and D list characters get 6 to 12 issue series? It's a bit sad though... I mean, with out those failures, you never get the occasion break out hit like Hitman, Ms. Marvel, etc. Experiments like those happen when sales on the top books are enough to prop up the line and account for the occasional failure, and when the overall size of the line is bigger broadening the revenue generation. The market isn't healthy enough to have a broad line and the top sellers don't sell enough to make a cushion, so every book that does get made has to achieve a certain level of revenue generation. It's a risk-averse market, especially when retailers, who shoulder all the risk in ordering books, have to order to sell through numbers in the first week, meaning nothing has a shelf-like to find an audience. If it isn't preordered, it isn't sold. New books need to have a shelf life to find an audience. That is not a market reality currently. So there is no risk involved in publishing experiments to see if they will find an audience, no risk because it is a guaranteed failure with no chance of success in current market conditions, so no one is going to publish a guaranteed money loser. You need a broad audience with growth potential to take a risk in publishing books like that. That type of market hasn't existed at all in the last 5-7 years. The risk books are books that have a chance of finding an audience outside the direct market, likely aimed at the YA market even if they come out in the direct market-books like BOOM's Something is Killing the Children and such. Ms. Marvel got lucky, caught the tail end of last window for finding an audience about 10 years ago, AND even then it found its audience through Scholastic sales of trade collections, not through direct market periodical sales. -M
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 14:38:44 GMT -5
"Power & Wonder"
a team book made up of Power Man (Luke Cage), Power Girl, Wonder Woman, and Wonder Man.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Oct 9, 2021 16:09:08 GMT -5
"Power & Wonder" a team book made up of Power Man (Luke Cage), Power Girl, Wonder Woman, and Wonder Man. Provided that Wonder Man is sporting the red safari jacket outfit, I'd read the hell out of that...
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 12, 2021 0:40:40 GMT -5
I couldn't name a current team; but...
Lady Cop!
Gail Simone and Colleen Doran, with Diana Schutz editing.
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Post by brutalis on Oct 12, 2021 7:53:57 GMT -5
"Power & Wonder" a team book made up of Power Man (Luke Cage), Power Girl, Wonder Woman, and Wonder Man. Provided that Wonder Man is sporting the red safari jacket outfit, I'd read the hell out of that... You forgot the Wonder Twins!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Oct 12, 2021 8:31:21 GMT -5
You forgot the Wonder Twins! Well, no. They would appear in the 'Power & Wonder' follow-up, together with Power Pack.
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