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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 27, 2021 13:33:45 GMT -5
Finally with a few minutes...and coming to no surprise... 1. Dian Belmont and Wesley DoddsDian Belmont may well be my favorite comic book character. So it makes perfect sense that she and Wes are my favorite couple. To the extent that I talked to Crimebuster for three hours about them. Their relationship was perfectly explored in Sandman Mystery Theater. From first meeting through the feeling out stage, all the ups and downs and bumps and bruises. Dian was able to become fully a partner to Wes in his work, while remaining her own woman. Wes became better because of the relationship, a fuller more rounded character.
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Post by berkley2 on Dec 27, 2021 15:28:26 GMT -5
Not only his Mystery Theatre but all things Sandman remain a mystery to me but I'll get to it one of these days.
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Post by berkley2 on Dec 27, 2021 17:53:23 GMT -5
1. Maria and Gorgo.
If Maggie and Hopey are at the heart of Jaime Hernandez's Love and Rockets work, Luba arguably plays a similar ro!e in Gilbert's. But for me it's Luba's mother Maria that has held more fascination than any other character ever since Poison River, the story that introduced her.
Maria might be seen as the ultimate femme fatale, a woman so attractive she wreaks havoc wherever she goes. But because L&R isn't a straight genre series, though elements of noir and crime drama are certainly present in Poison River, she isn't presented only in that way. We also see her story in a less glamorous way, the everyday problems she has to face and so on (this is mostly after Poison River).
Gorgo is an enigmatically silent gangster enforcer wbo, we gradually learn, loves Maria and watches over her from afar, or tries to. To Maria he's just a hired hand remarkable almost as much fof his ugliness as for his scary reputation and presence. But in spite of zero encouragement he remains loyal all throughthe years, long after Maria has fallen from her exalted position as an important drug lord's kept mistress and is just a struggling single mother.
All lf that maysound like little more than a list of genre cliches, but as always, it's how those tropes are made use of that holds tne magic or lack thereof. Gilbert has a way of putting evrrything together with his unique style that can move from realism to expressionistc to cartoon without ever betraying the mood. For example, Gorgo's scary capacity for extreme violence is conveyed effectively in could have been an offputting cartoonish way but Gilbert makes it work.
So as with most selections for this year topic, both individuals are fascinating characters in themselves. But this is about the couple that isnt really a couple, Gorgo and Maria. I foundGorgo's unquestioning devotion very compelling and Maria's very slow acceptance of his protection equally so. They dont actually get together until their old age but I think many readers, lije myself, were relieved to know it finally happened.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 28, 2021 12:03:49 GMT -5
1. T’Challa (Black Panther) and Monica LynneHmm, my no. 1 couple and it's the one I have the least to say about. I just can't explain it - they're just so right together. As with several of the other couples I included in my list (most notably Cap and Bernie or Stark and Bethany), I think T'Challa and Monica should have become an institution like Superman & Lois or Sue & Reed, but alas: it seems like every other writer who worked on Black Panther besides Don McGregor had other ideas. So probably my favorite aspect of Panther's Prey (from which the image above is taken) is that McGregor re-established the romance between T'Challa and Monica and they announced their marriage. In my head, that's the last Black Panther story (in comics, anyway) that counts. I didn't know that McGregor had done anything more with T'Challa and Monica! Getting the Panther's Prey TPB right now!
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Post by berkley2 on Dec 28, 2021 12:19:24 GMT -5
1. T’Challa (Black Panther) and Monica LynneHmm, my no. 1 couple and it's the one I have the least to say about. I just can't explain it - they're just so right together. As with several of the other couples I included in my list (most notably Cap and Bernie or Stark and Bethany), I think T'Challa and Monica should have become an institution like Superman & Lois or Sue & Reed, but alas: it seems like every other writer who worked on Black Panther besides Don McGregor had other ideas. So probably my favorite aspect of Panther's Prey (from which the image above is taken) is that McGregor re-established the romance between T'Challa and Monica and they announced their marriage. In my head, that's the last Black Panther story (in comics, anyway) that counts. I didn't know that McGregor had done anything more with T'Challa and Monica! Getting the Panther's Prey TPB right now! I had the same reaction. The artwork looks like it might be good too, from that one sample. One of several comics i will be looking for because of this year's 12 Days!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 28, 2021 13:46:16 GMT -5
I didn't know that McGregor had done anything more with T'Challa and Monica! Getting the Panther's Prey TPB right now! I had the same reaction. The artwork looks like it might be good too, from that one sample. One of several comics i will be looking for because of this year's 12 Days! I liked the Panther's Prey story mainly because it brought T'Challa and Monica back together, although it had some interesting callbacks to Panther's Rage. The art (by Dwayne Turner), though, is inconsistent - in some places it is stunningly gorgeous while at other places it looks rushed. And be warned (or not, as the case may be): the part where Monica and T'Challa reconnect is heavy on the cheesecake. And if you can find the Panther's Prey Epic Collection for a decent price, that's a great collection: not only does it have this story, but also the entirety of Panther's Quest from Marvel Presents, plus a few other miscellaneous stories. If I didn't already have the original issues of Panther's Prey and the Panther's Quest tpb, that book would be on the top of my want-list.
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Post by berkley2 on Dec 28, 2021 17:21:29 GMT -5
I had the same reaction. The artwork looks like it might be good too, from that one sample. One of several comics i will be looking for because of this year's 12 Days! I liked the Panther's Prey story mainly because it brought T'Challa and Monica back together, although it had some interesting callbacks to Panther's Rage. The art (by Dwayne Turner), though, is inconsistent - in some places it is stunningly gorgeous while at other places it looks rushed. And be warned (or not, as the case may be): the part where Monica and T'Challa reconnect is heavy on the cheesecake. And if you can find the Panther's Prey Epic Collection for a decent price, that's a great collection: not only does it have this story, but also the entirety of Panther's Quest from Marvel Presents, plus a few other miscellaneous stories. If I didn't already have the original issues of Panther's Prey and the Panther's Quest tpb, that book would be on the top of my want-list.
How about the colour reproduction? That's usually what ho!ds me back from collections of comics printed inthe 80s or earlier as opposed to the back issues.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 28, 2021 17:53:32 GMT -5
How about the colour reproduction? That's usually what ho!ds me back from collections of comics printed inthe 80s or earlier as opposed to the back issues. Don't think that's an issue for Panther's Prey - the original four-part series was prestige format and came out in 1991, so it probably looks the same or similar in the Epic collection. Panther's Quest was originally serialized in Marvel Comics Presents beginning in 1989. I never had those, but the color reproduction looks fine to me in the tpb (from 2017). I'm assuming it's the same in the Epic book.
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Post by Farrar on Dec 31, 2021 13:51:50 GMT -5
#1 Alicia and BenA beautiful, tragic yet uplifting romance; one that added flavor and pathos and poignancy and a lot more to the Fantastic Four series. I think Alicia and Ben are a great example of what made Marvel so special back then. Cei-U already posted those great panels from #68 (my first FF issue) and coke & comics posted panels from #9, and those panel sequences are among my absolute favorites from the Silver Age. From Fantastic Four #8, Alicia's debut I love how Ben--who in earlier issues was (justifiably) angry and in a perpetual bad mood--says "Don't cry, Alicia!" Awww. And from FF #101, Alicia and Ben letting loose (in reprints of this story her hair is recolored its more familiar orangey hue): I know Alicia and Ben have had other partners over the years but they belong with one another...and although I'm not a regular reader of comics now, I'm glad they're a couple in the current FF series. UPDATE: I'm adding some scenes from Fantastic Four 236: "Terror in a Tiny Town." {Spoiler: Click to show} A masterpiece, with very touching scenes involving Ben and Alicia. If you haven't read it, you need to!
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