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Post by tarkintino on Feb 4, 2022 15:52:58 GMT -5
Agreed. I loathe O'Neil's run on Iron Man. I'd been following the character since the Tales of Suspense days but O'Neil caused me to drop the book from my pull list. Cei-U! I summon the end of an era! And yes, Michenlie & Layton let Tony off the hook in 'Demon in a Bottle', absolutely did. They introduced the problem and then broadly resolved it because Love Conquers All. So I applaud O'Neil for bringing this disease back and having Tony really suffer the consequences of it. You may not like the scenarios that O'Neil employed to develop these consequences but I think it's a warranted view and worthy character journey for Tony Stark (much along the same lines of Steve Rogers questioning his commitment to the American gov't versus the American people). You all may rather read of the millionaire playboy Tony Stark but for me, this story arc made me into a Iron Man fan to this very day for it humanized Tony far more than yet another mindless beat-down of the Crimson Dynamo. Excellent assessment. Alcoholism is not a mid-season "event" of a TV series, and should never be played that way in fiction, so O'Neil being as insightful as he ever had been--took Tony Stark to his lowest points again, which made his struggle more than a "shock" event, only to be shelved. Although I will always prefer the Cold War-era industrialist Tony from the Silver Age, the O'Neil version was one of the best run of the character.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 15:59:13 GMT -5
Agreed. I loathe O'Neil's run on Iron Man. I'd been following the character since the Tales of Suspense days but O'Neil caused me to drop the book from my pull list. Cei-U! I summon the end of an era! So you all hated Rhodey becoming Iron Man as well? Let's be fair here, after Black Panther, Rhodey was what, the second, third black super hero for Marvel? It's a concurrent story line throughout, Rhodey learning if he has what it takes to become a hero while Tony struggles to reclaim his life and his own heroic nature. And yes, Michenlie & Layton let Tony off the hook in 'Demon in a Bottle', absolutely did. They introduced the problem and then broadly resolved it because Love Conquers All. So I applaud O'Neil for bringing this disease back and having Tony really suffer the consequences of it. You may not like the scenarios that O'Neil employed to develop these consequences but I think it's a warranted view and worthy character journey for Tony Stark (much along the same lines of Steve Rogers questioning his commitment to the American gov't versus the American people). You all may rather read of the millionaire playboy Tony Stark but for me, this story arc made me into a Iron Man fan to this very day for it humanized Tony far more than yet another mindless beat-down of the Crimson Dynamo. Off the top of my head all of these were heroic black characters at Marvel in addition to Black Panther before Rhodey donned the armor... Luke Cage Sam Wilson/Falcon Ororo/Storm Blade Jericho Drumm/Brother/Dr. Voodoo Bill Foster/Black Goliath Monica Rambeau/Capt. Marvel Misty Knight certainly not a lot, but there were several viable black heroic characters who either had their own books or featured prominently in ensemble casts before Rhodey joined the ranks. -M
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 4, 2022 19:13:30 GMT -5
So you all hated Rhodey becoming Iron Man as well? Let's be fair here, after Black Panther, Rhodey was what, the second, third black super hero for Marvel? It's a concurrent story line throughout, Rhodey learning if he has what it takes to become a hero while Tony struggles to reclaim his life and his own heroic nature. And yes, Michenlie & Layton let Tony off the hook in 'Demon in a Bottle', absolutely did. They introduced the problem and then broadly resolved it because Love Conquers All. So I applaud O'Neil for bringing this disease back and having Tony really suffer the consequences of it. You may not like the scenarios that O'Neil employed to develop these consequences but I think it's a warranted view and worthy character journey for Tony Stark (much along the same lines of Steve Rogers questioning his commitment to the American gov't versus the American people). You all may rather read of the millionaire playboy Tony Stark but for me, this story arc made me into a Iron Man fan to this very day for it humanized Tony far more than yet another mindless beat-down of the Crimson Dynamo. Off the top of my head all of these were heroic black characters at Marvel in addition to Black Panther before Rhodey donned the armor... Luke Cage Sam Wilson/Falcon Ororo/Storm Blade Jericho Drumm/Brother/Dr. Voodoo Bill Foster/Black Goliath Monica Rambeau/Capt. Marvel Misty Knight certainly not a lot, but there were several viable black heroic characters who either had their own books or featured prominently in ensemble casts before Rhodey joined the ranks. -M And Gabe Jones, too, the first of all of them!
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