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Post by Marv-El on Jan 27, 2022 14:27:31 GMT -5
Ok, I have a new trope to gripe about because it seems to be getting more prevalent. I can't seem to read through any new issue by either Big Two without a character (main, secondary, random, doesn't matter) saying "#$%&" at some point, sometimes two, three times an issue. Now I know this is supposed to represent cussing but still, it feels overused. Especially if it's one of our stalwart heroes that is saying this. Is this an attempt to be hip or trendy or am I just an old man trying to get these #$%& kids off my lawn?  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 27, 2022 14:31:31 GMT -5
I suspect it's the latter.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 27, 2022 15:18:40 GMT -5
They can have all the swears they want as long as they don’t have Dr Strange or Jim Gordon using “literally” like a dim, chatty teenager.
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Post by majestic on Jan 27, 2022 16:01:11 GMT -5
Yes it took me "out" of the story since it was repeated so many times.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 17:22:20 GMT -5
Even the prevalent usage of "hell" or "damn" comes across as a very self-conscious goal to be included at least once an issue, just to reassure the writer and/or the audience that Comics Are Grown Up Now, and not a single issue will give you cause to doubt that. I read something very recently, I think it was the Waid backup in Detective or whatever, and Superman's saying "hell" or "damn" on the first page. You'll never convince me this wasn't a clumsy, immature attempt to signal maturity. It sticks out like that one semi-swear word you'll hear in a PG-13 movie you know they tossed in to avoid a PG rating. They can have all the swears they want as long as they don’t have Dr Strange or Jim Gordon using “literally” like a dim, chatty teenager. I have a whole list of trendy language usage that drives me up a wall when used in comics and any other media. It's annoying from real-life people too, but that's not a bad, as most people's conversation isn't written by allegedly professional writers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 1:33:17 GMT -5
Superman guest-starred in Hitman, and at some point Tommy let a cuss word slip out, and immediately apologized. Superman replied that since no women or children were present, there was no reason to not express himself as he pleased. Today's writers would have Supes say "Don't #$%&in' sweat it."
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 28, 2022 8:38:14 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I live just south of Boston...but swearing has always been prevalent and I don't see it as taking me out of anything when I see it. Superman is an ordinary person deep down...and regular people swear so why shouldn't Superman do so on occasion?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 9:16:41 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I live just south of Boston...but swearing has always been prevalent and I don't see it as taking me out of anything when I see it. Superman is an ordinary person deep down...and regular people swear so why shouldn't Superman do so on occasion? I don't have any issue with adults swearing. My issue is that there are people in real life who don't swear, yet since the past however many years, we've learned that none of our childhood heroes are members of the non-cussing club. Some of these characters do in fact have corny wholesomeness as part of their core, which is a thing that also does exist in real life, but the industry is too insecure to represent. The reliability of seeing between one to three hells/damns in any single issue of a super-hero comic book is comical. It's clearly calculated, and that's enough to pull me out of a story. For me, it's not specifically seeing cuss words in my funny books, it's the general hacky-ness of it. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 28, 2022 9:35:59 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I live just south of Boston...but swearing has always been prevalent and I don't see it as taking me out of anything when I see it. Superman is an ordinary person deep down...and regular people swear so why shouldn't Superman do so on occasion? I don't have any issue with adults swearing. My issue is that there are people in real life who don't swear, yet since the past however many years, we've learned that none of our childhood heroes are members of the non-cussing club. Some of these characters do in fact have corny wholesomeness as part of their core, which is a thing that also does exist in real life, but the industry is too insecure to represent. The reliability of seeing between one to three hells/damns in any single issue of a super-hero comic book is comical. It's clearly calculated, and that's enough to pull me out of a story. For me, it's not specifically seeing cuss words in my funny books, it's the general hacky-ness of it. I don't need it all the time, and I agree that it can be over used and misused, but I don't think it would be inappropriate to have say a scene where Superman just barely defeats one robot only to have a second, bigger robot land in front of him and he says, " Aw, $&#@." It's an honest reaction and to me that's what matters. Should he use it as casually as some use a comma like we do here in Boston? Probably not...but that's never been an issue as I've never seen a comic written like that. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 28, 2022 11:11:58 GMT -5
Ok, I have a new trope to gripe about because it seems to be getting more prevalent. I can't seem to read through any new issue by either Big Two without a character (main, secondary, random, doesn't matter) saying "#$%&" at some point, sometimes two, three times an issue. Now I know this is supposed to represent cussing but still, it feels overused. Especially if it's one of our stalwart heroes that is saying this. Is this an attempt to be hip or trendy or am I just an old man trying to get these #$%& kids off my lawn?  Considering that comics have tried to be hip and trendy for longer than we've all been alive, my money is on the former. Our forefathers were wondering "why are there go-go checks on top of my Batman comics? Am I an old fart for noticing?" |
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Post by Marv-El on Jan 31, 2022 14:40:21 GMT -5
If a random street character says it, that's fine. I have no problem with people cussing, some more than others but that's alright.
But when a hero does it? Depends.
Case in point: I've been catching up on recent issues of Detective Comics. In one issue, Batwoman says this twice. Okay maybe, I haven't read enough of Katy to know for sure if I find that acceptable for her character or not. Then Nightwing says it. Eh, I'm not as accepting here in this case. I've always thought of Dick as a wholesome character (no, not to the level of Burt Ward) but since my initial exposure to him in NTT and since, Dick doesn't strike me as the type to cuss and even if he did, nothing stronger than a Damn. Same with Tim Drake. Now, Jason Todd, yes, I'd imagine he'd cuss like a sailor now as Red Hood.
But Superman? No, never, I just don't see it.
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Post by tonebone on Jan 31, 2022 16:50:46 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I live just south of Boston...but swearing has always been prevalent and I don't see it as taking me out of anything when I see it. Superman is an ordinary person deep down...and regular people swear so why shouldn't Superman do so on occasion? As long as it's used the RIGHT way... if he dropped a cuss word all the time, it would lose its meaning... but if the only time he swears in a 6 issue arc is to say "DAMN you Luthor!" -- then it carries some weight. You know there is righteous anger behind it, it means something, and Luthor better look out. |
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Post by The Captain on Jan 31, 2022 20:17:10 GMT -5
I agree that it totally depends on the character.
Wolverine drops a $#%£ bomb in the middle of a fight, I have no problem with that. He’s rough around the edges, older than dirt, and that’s part of who he is.
Captain America? Nope. It’s just not him, even fighting Red Skull with the fate of the world in the balance, to go there. It’s why the “language” joke in Age of Ultron fits perfectly.
Black Panther? Not him either. T’Challa’s royalty, with a world-class education, and he knows how to carry himself.
Thing? I could go either way, but I would lean toward him dropping some colorful language pre-space flight, so it wouldn’t be a shock.
Nick Fury (original)? $&%# straight he would.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 1, 2022 8:38:33 GMT -5
I agree that it totally depends on the character. Wolverine drops a $#%£ bomb in the middle of a fight, I have no problem with that. He’s rough around the edges, older than dirt, and that’s part of who he is. Captain America? Nope. It’s just not him, even fighting Red Skull with the fate of the world in the balance, to go there. It’s why the “language” joke in Age of Ultron fits perfectly. Black Panther? Not him either. T’Challa’s royalty, with a world-class education, and he knows how to carry himself. Thing? I could go either way, but I would lean toward him dropping some colorful language pre-space flight, so it wouldn’t be a shock. Nick Fury (original)? $&%# straight he would. Cap's another one I never got the language thing, literally every single WWII vet I know curses. Maybe it's New England thing but it doesn't bother me. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 1, 2022 9:00:56 GMT -5
I agree that it totally depends on the character. Wolverine drops a $#%£ bomb in the middle of a fight, I have no problem with that. He’s rough around the edges, older than dirt, and that’s part of who he is. Captain America? Nope. It’s just not him, even fighting Red Skull with the fate of the world in the balance, to go there. It’s why the “language” joke in Age of Ultron fits perfectly. Black Panther? Not him either. T’Challa’s royalty, with a world-class education, and he knows how to carry himself. Thing? I could go either way, but I would lean toward him dropping some colorful language pre-space flight, so it wouldn’t be a shock. Nick Fury (original)? $&%# straight he would. Cap's another one I never got the language thing, literally every single WWII vet I know curses. Maybe it's New England thing but it doesn't bother me. Not just a WWII vet but a New Yorker. C’Mon! My wife’s grandfather was a WWII vet and very Mormon. He only cussed in the cow barns. Cows will bring it out of anyone. |
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