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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 11, 2022 13:13:43 GMT -5
So, was thinking about this while posting on a comic book group on Facebook in regards to a poster of Captain America talking about Alcoholism. 
In Captain America #261, Steve is shown drinking Sangria with Josh and Sam and getting very drunk in the process (and somehow managing to fight off muggers afterwards) But then in Captain America #371, while Steve is on a friendly date with Diamondback, he talks about how he doesn't drink because of his father's Alcoholism
Now, granted these issues are roughly a decade apart and from writers who had very different approaches on how to write Steve, but considering the fact that Gruenwald prided himself on having an almost textbook knowledge of Cap's history, this seems like a very large oversight
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 11, 2022 13:31:29 GMT -5
So, was thinking about this while posting on a comic book group on Facebook in regards to a poster of Captain America talking about Alcoholism.
In Captain America #261, Steve is shown drinking Sangria with Josh and Sam and getting very drunk in the process (and somehow managing to fight off muggers afterwards) But then in Captain America #371, while Steve is on a friendly date with Diamondback, he talks about how he doesn't drink because of his father's Alcoholism
Now, granted these issues are roughly a decade apart and from writers who had very different approaches on how to write Steve, but considering the fact that Gruenwald prided himself on having an almost textbook knowledge of Cap's history, this seems like a very large oversight
More likely ignoring continuity to deliver a PSA, which was happening quite a bit, at Marvel. The movie approach worked a little better, that he metabolized the alcohol faster. I've seen other examples where Gruenwald cherry-picked continuity to suit his story and ignored something that contradicted. I don't think he was that different from other writers who emphasized what they wanted and ignored what they didn't like. He was more concerned with who fought whom, and when and the overall timeline, rather than that detailed a character trait. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 11, 2022 13:37:05 GMT -5
More likely ignoring continuity to deliver a PSA, which was happening quite a bit, at Marvel. The movie approach worked a little better, that he metabolized the alcohol faster. I've seen other examples where Gruenwald cherry-picked continuity to suit his story and ignored something that contradicted. I don't think he was that different from other writers who emphasized what they wanted and ignored what they didn't like. He was more concerned with who fought whom, and when and the overall timeline, rather than that detailed a character trait. Well, and too, at this point Steve doesn't know Diamondback/Rachel all that well, so he could just be lying about his past until he feels more comfortable around her |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 11, 2022 14:15:23 GMT -5
If Cap were a DC property, Bob Rozakis could just exile one story or the other to Earth-B.
Cei-U! I summon the sarcasm!
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 11, 2022 15:41:15 GMT -5
If Cap were a DC property, Bob Rozakis could just exile one story or the other to Earth-B.
Cei-U! I summon the sarcasm!
For Budweiser. |
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Post by Professor Echo on Jun 15, 2022 17:44:47 GMT -5
Is Cap smiling on that poster telling kids their parents might be victims of a horrible disease? He looks more happy than concerned, as if he’s promoting something in-house, like a TOO Merry Marvel Marching Society.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 19, 2022 14:32:13 GMT -5
That Cap Poster end blurb "If you want to learn more..Ask someone you trust". So don't ask your tipsy drunken parents, how about that stranger outside offering you some candy?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 19, 2022 16:28:19 GMT -5
Not sure if there are any other panels at the restaurant there, but Steven isn't ACTUALLY Drinking in the panel.. and his glasss is totally empty (possibly unused) while his friends have clear remnants of a previous drink in theirs. You COULD argue that Steve was just being friendly and having fun with his friends without actually drinking (depending on the next/previous page)
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 19, 2022 17:02:54 GMT -5
Yes, Steve Rogers is not a drinker. Just a voluntary drug user to obtain super powers  The denial here seems false  |
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Post by Professor Echo on Jun 20, 2022 5:34:35 GMT -5
That Cap Poster end blurb "If you want to learn more..Ask someone you trust". So don't ask your tipsy drunken parents, how about that stranger outside offering you some candy? I do appreciate Cap's concern and if he were a real guy and I had drunk parents I might ask him about it because he would be someone I'd trust. But first I would ask him why when he had the chance he didn't kill Hitler instead of just slugging him? |
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Post by badwolf on Jun 20, 2022 10:58:56 GMT -5
Yes, Steve Rogers is not a drinker. Just a voluntary drug user to obtain super powers The denial here seems false Hahahaha! What on earth is that from? And where is Diamondback aiming? |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 20, 2022 21:56:20 GMT -5
Yes, Steve Rogers is not a drinker. Just a voluntary drug user to obtain super powers The denial here seems false Hahahaha! What on earth is that from? And where is Diamondback aiming? It's from the "Streets Of Poison" arc of Captain America. Basically {Spoiler: Click to show}
Cap accidentally ingests a crapload of this drug called ice in an explosion and it reacts with the Super Soldier serum and it drives him crazy |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 20, 2022 23:12:22 GMT -5
Does Diamondback really throw diamonds at people? Does she stay overtime at scenes of her battles, looking for loose diamonds to retrieve?
I had thought she was just some sort of snake lady
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 20, 2022 23:16:35 GMT -5
Does Diamondback really throw diamonds at people? Does she stay overtime at scenes of her battles, looking for loose diamonds to retrieve? I had thought she was just some sort of snake lady I heard she threw 14 carrots at people. Try the veal. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 20, 2022 23:20:51 GMT -5
It's kind of like super genius criminals build an amazing invention to rob a bank. That invention could have earned them more money than what the bank had on hand
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The denial here seems false