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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 21, 2022 4:48:31 GMT -5
Well, Lockjaw was revealed to be a human Inhuman and to me he still is matter what Peter David says.
Sorry, what is this now? Lockjaw is a human Inhuman trapped in a dog's body? Whose idea was this, I'm afraid to ask? It was John Byrne's stupid idea, it torpedoed two decades worth of continuity for the sake of a cheap punchline, and it was eventually retconned away as a practical joke played on Ben Grimm, thank Odin.
Cei-U! Can you tell I hated the whole concept?
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Post by berkley on Jun 21, 2022 8:06:35 GMT -5
Sorry, what is this now? Lockjaw is a human Inhuman trapped in a dog's body? Whose idea was this, I'm afraid to ask? It was John Byrne's stupid idea, it torpedoed two decades worth of continuity for the sake of a cheap punchline, and it was eventually retconned away as a practical joke played on Ben Grimm, thank Odin.
Cei-U! Can you tell I hated the whole concept?
Funny how, whenever you ask about stupid ideas in Big 2 comics, the same few names seem to come up again and again ... |
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Post by tartanphantom on Jun 21, 2022 8:09:26 GMT -5
Well, Lockjaw was revealed to be a human Inhuman and to me he still is matter what Peter David says.
Sorry, what is this now? Lockjaw is a human Inhuman trapped in a dog's body? Whose idea was this, I'm afraid to ask?
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Post by badwolf on Jun 21, 2022 8:31:42 GMT -5
It was a great idea in a great, moving story, and turning it into a practical joke was stupid.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 21, 2022 8:47:04 GMT -5
Well, Lockjaw was revealed to be a human Inhuman and to me he still is matter what Peter David says.
Sorry, what is this now? Lockjaw is a human Inhuman trapped in a dog's body? Whose idea was this, I'm afraid to ask? You’re better off not knowing. I had completely forgotten that it was a John Byrne idea, but I am not at all surprised. |
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Post by badwolf on Jun 21, 2022 10:31:14 GMT -5
Well, Lockjaw was revealed to be a human Inhuman and to me he still is matter what Peter David says.
Sorry, what is this now? Lockjaw is a human Inhuman trapped in a dog's body? Whose idea was this, I'm afraid to ask? The story involved a feud between Quicksilver and Crystal over whether to expose their baby Luna to the Terrigen mists. Crystal was against it. Quicksilver said that anything would be better than being a normal human, and Lockjaw piped in and said "Anything?" And so it was revealed that he had once been as "human" as the rest of them.
I don't think it contradicts anything. It's also explained that it's extremely painful for him to engage in human speech. Perhaps it's just easier for him to play the part of a dog most of the time. And we already knew the Inhumans weren't ethical paragons. Maybe his personality even fluctuates and his higher functions are often subsumed. I don't think we ever had any real insight into his inner workings until Paul Jenkins' Inhumans series.
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Post by Duragizer on Jun 21, 2022 23:14:05 GMT -5
Picked Lockheed & Lockjaw. Not much for super pets, especially the ones running around DC during the Silver Age, but those two are definite exceptions. Kinda hard to hate on a giant teleporting bulldog, anyway.
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Post by berkley on Jun 21, 2022 23:56:22 GMT -5
Sorry, what is this now? Lockjaw is a human Inhuman trapped in a dog's body? Whose idea was this, I'm afraid to ask? The story involved a feud between Quicksilver and Crystal over whether to expose their baby Luna to the Terrigen mists. Crystal was against it. Quicksilver said that anything would be better than being a normal human, and Lockjaw piped in and said "Anything?" And so it was revealed that he had once been as "human" as the rest of them.
I don't think it contradicts anything. It's also explained that it's extremely painful for him to engage in human speech. Perhaps it's just easier for him to play the part of a dog most of the time. And we already knew the Inhumans weren't ethical paragons. Maybe his personality even fluctuates and his higher functions are often subsumed. I don't think we ever had any real insight into his inner workings until Paul Jenkins' Inhumans series.
For me, it contradicts my favourite version of the Inhumans, the one in the Kirby/Lee FF, in which they treat him very much as a beloved pet - Crystal calls him "puppy-boy" or something like that, in a scene I found endearing as a kid but of course might well strike others as cloyingly cute (or just plain perverse, if he's actually a human-Inhuman that just looks like a dog!)
But anyway, sorry if I came across as dismissive of opposing opinions on this subject. I don't begrudge you or anyone finding something of value in the story - just as I don't begrudge anyone finding enjoyment in various versions of other characters that I think miss the point or even contradict the essence of the concept. As always, my intention is only to express my own feelings, not to denigrate those of others.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jun 22, 2022 11:11:06 GMT -5
For me, it contradicts my favourite version of the Inhumans, the one in the Kirby/Lee FF, in which they treat him very much as a beloved pet - Crystal calls him "puppy-boy" or something like that, in a scene I found endearing as a kid but of course might well strike others as cloyingly cute (or just plain perverse, if he's actually a human-Inhuman that just looks like a dog!)
I consider it a no-win situation. It violated a lot of continuity (at least, if you want to consider the Inhumans to be good people, which to be granted they have not always been). It was also a deeply emotionally affecting scene, which makes me feel like it's a betrayal to dismiss as a practical joke. So there was really no productive way to go forward from that.
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