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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 29, 2022 5:00:52 GMT -5
No. Pantomime strips used to be quite popular (the first Little Lulu issue of Dell's Four Color included several wordless one-page gags) and Victor Moscoso's work for Zap Comix was almost always "silent" (and, brilliantly, non-narrative). No one would seriously argue that those weren't comics.
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I very much agree. In fact, the first thing that comes to my mind is probably the best (frankly the only really good) Mr. A story done by Ditko: the one with absolutely no captions or dialogue.
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Post by tonebone on Sept 29, 2022 8:47:15 GMT -5
Ok... fine.. it's not a comic, then. It's illustrated prose. by your standard perhaps. I consider it a comic and always have. But that's the point. The more restrictive and persnickety you get with your definition of what is a "comic" the more things that are intended as comics have to be called non-comics, especially when it is people experimenting with the medium and pushing its limits. Such experimentation should be rewarded, not met with "that's not comics" especially if such experimentation brings comics to a wider audience like the Diary of a Wimpy Kid books do. The future of comics lies in experimentation with form and format, not in the moribund periodical pamphlet of the past. It is in pushing the limits, not in setting them. Comics survive by evolving. They always have, and hopefully always will. -M First, I don't think you can prove that Diary of a Wimpy Kid has attracted kids to comics... it has probably attracted kids to more books like DOAWK, and its sequels. I don't think there is any real way to define empirically what is a comic or not. There are a lot of blurry edge cases. Second, If I want to read a comic, and Blackmark is not what I would consider a comic, that's all that matters, not what you or someone else considers it to be. The thread is "What do YOU consider a comic?", is it not?
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Post by tonebone on Sept 29, 2022 8:52:26 GMT -5
No. Pantomime strips used to be quite popular (the first Little Lulu issue of Dell's Four Color included several wordless one-page gags) and Victor Moscoso's work for Zap Comix was almost always "silent" (and, brilliantly, non-narrative). No one would seriously argue that those weren't comics.
Cei-U! Anybody out there remember "The Strange World of Mr. Mum"?
Owly is a wonderful example of comics for kids (and adults) without words. My wife is a teacher, and she uses Garfield strips without words to teach kids about story sequencing, and they can arrange the panels so that the story makes sense, without words.
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Post by MDG on Sept 29, 2022 9:11:06 GMT -5
Anybody out there remember "The Strange World of Mr. Mum"?
I'm on a FB panel gag group that reprints lots of Mr. Mum cartoons
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2022 11:31:39 GMT -5
by your standard perhaps. I consider it a comic and always have. But that's the point. The more restrictive and persnickety you get with your definition of what is a "comic" the more things that are intended as comics have to be called non-comics, especially when it is people experimenting with the medium and pushing its limits. Such experimentation should be rewarded, not met with "that's not comics" especially if such experimentation brings comics to a wider audience like the Diary of a Wimpy Kid books do. The future of comics lies in experimentation with form and format, not in the moribund periodical pamphlet of the past. It is in pushing the limits, not in setting them. Comics survive by evolving. They always have, and hopefully always will. -M First, I don't think you can prove that Diary of a Wimpy Kid has attracted kids to comics... it has probably attracted kids to more books like DOAWK, and its sequels. I don't think there is any real way to define empirically what is a comic or not. There are a lot of blurry edge cases. Second, If I want to read a comic, and Blackmark is not what I would consider a comic, that's all that matters, not what you or someone else considers it to be. The thread is "What do YOU consider a comic?", is it not? There's actually a strong correlation between sales of Diary of a Wimpy Kid and mas market OGN, especially things like Raina Telgemeier's OGN which are often shelved with the Diary of a Wimpy Kid book in places like Meijer, Target, and Walmart. They aren't getting kids to go into comic shops and buy super-hero periodicals, but they are bringing kids to comics produced for and sold to a mass youth audience. -M
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Post by commond on Sept 29, 2022 18:53:41 GMT -5
For the most part, yes. I mean, for a one panel gag or tribute in the paper, probably not. But like when Marvel did the 'Nuff Said' issues, they just felt like posters to me. It takes a really good artist to pull that off. I absolutely adore Jim Woodring's Frank stories, but in terms of superhero comics, there's a lot of great silent stuff like Steranko's Nick Fury pages, that famous G.I. Joe issue, the John Byrne and Jim Aparo Batman story. It does take some serious storytelling chops to pull it off, though. How about all black, or all white, panels? Is it comics if it's just captions and word balloons? Are the fake ads in Acme Novelty Library comics? Do people agree that single panel strips like The Far Side and Dennis the Menace aren't comics?
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 30, 2022 4:09:22 GMT -5
Do people agree that single panel strips like The Far Side and Dennis the Menace aren't comics? No. Single panel strips have been considered comics from the beginning. Our Boarding House, Out Our Way, and others dating back to the Great Depression or even further (Mutt and Jeff started out as a panel) were always treated as comics rather than magazine-style one-and-done gag cartoons, and most of them, like Dennis, had multi-panel Sunday pages, starred recurring characers and some, like Our Boarding House, even featured day-to-day continuity. As far as I'm concerned, they're comics, period.
Cei-U! I summon Major Hoople and the Willets!
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