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Post by tarkintino on Oct 14, 2022 14:56:28 GMT -5
When an artist is replaced by a vastly inferior one. Especially mid-story. Oh, bad replacement artists and I have a long history. About the OP, if a story or art of a title I was invested in upset me, usually, I tried to weather the "storm" to see if things would get better--or at least return to the preferable state of creative affairs. If it did not, I dropped titles, as I was never so into (read: addicted) to a title, that I had to continue spending money on something that no longer lived up to the standards I had come to expect. |
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Post by berkley on Oct 14, 2022 19:00:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't say "angered" but I was very depressed by Englehart's dismissal from Dr. Strange and still feel some of that today: we were deprived of what might have been some absolutely top-rank Dr. Strange comics, if the rest of his run is anything to judge by. The erratic run that followed was a huge come-down from the Englehart years.
In retrospect, I feel much the same about the Avengers, although at the time it didn't bother me nearly as much - I think because the Perez artwork provided some continuity and I liked Shooter's first run well enough. But looking back, Shooter's writing doesn't seem as acceptable as it did at the time and, more importantly, we missed seeing more of what I think would probably have ended up as the greatest writer/artist Avengers creative team of all time, even better than Thomas/Buscema.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 14, 2022 23:45:37 GMT -5
I'm really not somebody who normally gets their knickers in a twist over superhero comics, but the "One More Day"/"Brand New Day" clusterf**k in Amazing Spider-Man back in 2007, where Peter Parker and MJ had their marriage erased by Mephisto in order to save Aunt May's life, made me so furious that I hurled the last part of OMD across the room in utter disgust. The attendant continuity reboot it caused and the retconning of basically every Spider-Man comic since 1987 as a result was the moment when "my" Spider-Man -- the character I'd grown up reading -- ended.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 15, 2022 8:48:39 GMT -5
I agree with Confessor about OMD. Also the Sins Past story with the Gwen/Osborn hook up/rape was maddening.
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Post by SJNeal on Oct 15, 2022 14:26:52 GMT -5
 This book was the last time I literally threw an issue down in disgust (I've since realized nothing is permanent in comics and lowered my blood pressure). They killed my favorite Avenger literally a few months after establishing him as basically immortal. That pop-up cover also pissed me off when I could never get it closed again.  |
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 15, 2022 14:44:12 GMT -5
Also the Sins Past story with the Gwen/Osborn hook up/rape was maddening. Hasn't that been retconned as being some sort of lie/deception on Osborn's part? |
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 15, 2022 16:43:25 GMT -5
Also the Sins Past story with the Gwen/Osborn hook up/rape was maddening. Hasn't that been retconned as being some sort of lie/deception on Osborn's part? Who cares. It was infuriating that they let it in the book. |
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Post by Confessor on Oct 15, 2022 16:49:58 GMT -5
I agree with Confessor about OMD. Yeah, right on, brother! Preach it! Also the Sins Past story with the Gwen/Osborn hook up/rape was maddening. Oh...  Actually, I rather like Sins Past.  |
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 15, 2022 17:01:29 GMT -5
I agree with Confessor about OMD. Yeah, right on, brother! Preach it! Also the Sins Past story with the Gwen/Osborn hook up/rape was maddening. Oh... Actually, I rather like Sins Past. You should have quit while you were ahead.  |
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Post by commond on Oct 15, 2022 17:15:52 GMT -5
I get frustrated with the books I'm reading, but not angry per se. The worst crime is to be boring.
I liked Twilight, and I think people get too worked up over The Killing Joke. In both cases, I'm more of a fan of the creators than the characters, though. I think that makes a huge difference.
One book that did rub me the wrong way was Avengers #200.
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Post by spoon on Oct 15, 2022 17:16:37 GMT -5
2) The Killing Joke still makes me angry. Its sado-masochistic overtones are kind of nauseating, and the way Batman and the Joker share a joke at the end makes me sick. I would have been more forgiving had Batman murdered the bastard. There's certainly content within The Killing Joke to be nauseated about, but I don't interpret the final scene this way. I thought we're supposed to see that Batman was pushed to the edge. The Joker and Batman aren't laughing for the same reason. The Joker is laughing because he's a sociopath. It's like a game to him, so he thinks he can just tell a joke after everything that's happen like it's normal. Batman is laughing sort of sarcastically/sadistically, getting angry and thinking this monster doesn't know what he's in for. The panel with Batman's arms extended grabbing the Joker is Batman either shaking or strangling the Joker. It's not Batman thinking the Joker's joke is funny. It's Batman being pissed that the Joker is making a joke of it, and basically maniacally laughing as he (Batman) has lost control and is going to beat the crap out of the Joker. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 15, 2022 17:35:22 GMT -5
Conan the barbarian #235.
I had quit the book in disgust after its continuity had once again been trashed in favour of generic "barbarian in a loincloth" adventures (after Jim Owsley had salvaged the series from such a fate a first time) but the title of this one got me to try it.
See, during a thankfully short handful of issues, the Conan comic had been soft-rebooted; the character was once again a teenager, in a "Conan year one" manner.
Now one of Conan's earliest adventures, unchronicled by Robert Howard and by all comics writers up to that point, was the sack of a city called Venarium. But it was sort of a sacred cow: since Howard himself did not tell that particular story despite its huge importance, contenting himself with references to hordes of half-naked barbarians going over the walls with Conan among the first of them, then nobody should. The tale was to remain quasi-mythical.
However, Conan #235 was telling that story... and pinching my nose, I decided to try it despite strong misgivings.
Surprise, surprise, it was even FAR WORSE than the worst I could have imagined. Not only did it dare tackle a tale much too big for its creative team, but it totally mangled its Howardian lore and even resorted to magic to explain the city's fall, an absolute no-no. It was a complete contradiction to the "Natives push back civilized invaders" narrative that Howard had set up.
I'm surprised I didn't tear up the comic, frankly.
That being said... My anger later turned to glee, since when Roy Thomas was brought in to salvage this mess a few months down the line, he turned the entire "Conan year one" arc into a bedtime story told by King Conan to his kid. Never had I applauded a retcon so loudly!
(And to make sure no one would mess with it again, Roy told his own version of Venarium in Conan the Adventurer #1. Still a crime of lèse-majesté, but a justifiable one!)
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 15, 2022 17:45:04 GMT -5
2) The Killing Joke still makes me angry. Its sado-masochistic overtones are kind of nauseating, and the way Batman and the Joker share a joke at the end makes me sick. I would have been more forgiving had Batman murdered the bastard. There's certainly content within The Killing Joke to be nauseated about, but I don't interpret the final scene this way. I thought we're supposed to see that Batman was pushed to the edge. The Joker and Batman aren't laughing for the same reason. The Joker is laughing because he's a sociopath. It's like a game to him, so he thinks he can just tell a joke after everything that's happen like it's normal. Batman is laughing sort of sarcastically/sadistically, getting angry and thinking this monster doesn't know what he's in for. The panel with Batman's arms extended grabbing the Joker is Batman either shaking or strangling the Joker. It's not Batman thinking the Joker's joke is funny. It's Batman being pissed that the Joker is making a joke of it, and basically maniacally laughing as he (Batman) has lost control and is going to beat the crap out of the Joker. You're being more generous than I, my friend. I see Batman recognizing the he and the Joker are two actors in some absurd play that they can't escape, and that while they're antagonists they're not so different after all. That's what made me angry. First it was a facile way of describing the two men's relation, and second it was making light of that monster's crimes. All that was missing was a line like "what a sorry pair we are, amiright?" (Harh! Just thinking about that ending makes me all cranky again!  ) |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 17, 2022 8:59:20 GMT -5
Fun Thread!
Two comments before my list:
- I REALLY Liked Force Works. I was just starting out with comics at the time, but it made me really happy to have an Iron Man family of titles, until they completely broke with one of my selections.
- Perhaps it's because I only see it in hindsight, but I've never got the anger about bringing Jean Grey back.. she's the PHOENIX.. rising from the ashes and all. Was it really a big shock? I get that at the time death wasn't a revolving door as much as it is now, but still.
My comics that make me ANGRY
1) THE CROSSING. I ended my pull list when this came out. Done. (granted it didn't last long, but still). What the hell was Marvel thinking?
2) Identity Crisis... just too much retconning of perfectly good harmless silver age fun. I can only imagine what people who were fans of Sue Dibny thought...
3) Killing Joke.. just too much. The last scene makes me cringe every time I see it. It's just not right.
4) Dark Knight Returns II. Go home Frank, you can't draw anymore. It's over. You were great, not you aren't.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 17, 2022 9:16:47 GMT -5
My comics that make me ANGRY 2) Identity Crisis... just too much retconning of perfectly good harmless silver age fun. I can only imagine what people who were fans of Sue Dibny thought... 3) Killing Joke.. just too much. The last scene makes me cringe every time I see it. It's just not right. 4) Dark Knight Returns II. Go home Frank, you can't draw anymore. It's over. You were great, not you aren't. All that! |
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