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Post by shaxper on Nov 14, 2014 11:46:23 GMT -5
also, Savage Dragon is now at 199 and is one of the underrated books on the market. The characters age in real time and when they die, they don,t come back. That was a book that started in the 90's. You know, I'd never given Savage Dragon any serious consideration until you wrote this. Tell me more. How's the writing/characterization? |
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 14, 2014 11:48:56 GMT -5
Only because editorial decided to change the ending of the original story... -M And editorial decided to bring her back too. Claremont protested both decisions. That's because Claremont loved the idea of Fridging Jean Grey  Also guys have to agree with Shaxper I want the real Jean back not Bendis' Ultimate Spider-man supporting character expie. I mean she died in 2003 for no reason and she's still dead for no reason at all. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Nov 14, 2014 13:46:18 GMT -5
Back on topic.. Most of my favorites from the 90s are DC/Vertigo: Books of Magic (great until they gave in and tried to make Tim Hunter Harry Potter... I literally threw the comic across the room when they gave him an owl buddy) Sandman (duh) Hitman's a great choice Resurrection Man.. I always though DC had big plans for Mitch Shelley, as featured as he was in 1 million, but it just never caught on.. too bad, DnA are one of my favorites (until they broke up) Savage Dragon I've long wanted to get into... I just ordered the first phone book trade that coming out, so I'm excited for that  You're joking on the Harry Potter thing, right? Tim had the owl from the first Books of Magic mini-series. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 14, 2014 14:39:25 GMT -5
Back on topic.. Books of Magic (great until they gave in and tried to make Tim Hunter Harry Potter... I literally threw the comic across the room when they gave him an owl buddy) (until they broke up) Tim had the owl first. Yo-Yo first appears in the first issue of the original Books of Magic series.
The Names of Magic mini did play up the Harry Potter connection, but the ongoing series that followed, Hunter: Age of Magic, threw that away quite quickly. Tim leaves the school to travel through Gemworld, then back to London. The first few issues are kinda blah, but all in all, it became quite a good series.
Books of Magick: Life During Wartime is a masterpiece of longterm plotting, but most people had given up after the first few issues. That was as far away from Harry Potter as you can get.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 14, 2014 15:09:57 GMT -5
also, Savage Dragon is now at 199 and is one of the underrated books on the market. The characters age in real time and when they die, they don,t come back. That was a book that started in the 90's. You know, I'd never given Savage Dragon any serious consideration until you wrote this. Tell me more. How's the writing/characterization? Shax, you could probably pick up a run on the cheap on ebay. It has the same writer/Artist for all 199 issues so far ( Erik Larsen). He's the only person working that gives the big action feel to his books ala Kirby. But also the writing is clever and sharp with real consequences. It's one of the 3 or 4 new books that I still buy. The characterization is consistent because he is the same writer that created the characters. How many times does a new writer just miss the characters in the big 2? You can tell Larsen really loves what he does. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 15:12:43 GMT -5
Having read Books of Magic long before I read Harry Potter (and before it was published), my first reaction to seeing a visual of Harry Potter was hey..that's Tim Hunter....Brit, tousled hair, glasses, owl and all...
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 14, 2014 16:15:19 GMT -5
Back on topic.. Most of my favorites from the 90s are DC/Vertigo: Books of Magic (great until they gave in and tried to make Tim Hunter Harry Potter... I literally threw the comic across the room when they gave him an owl buddy) Sandman (duh) Hitman's a great choice Resurrection Man.. I always though DC had big plans for Mitch Shelley, as featured as he was in 1 million, but it just never caught on.. too bad, DnA are one of my favorites (until they broke up) Savage Dragon I've long wanted to get into... I just ordered the first phone book trade that coming out, so I'm excited for that You're joking on the Harry Potter thing, right? Tim had the owl from the first Books of Magic mini-series. He did, but they made it very, very Harry Potter-like in 'Names of Magic'. I felt like they had dumped everything about the series that was good in the hopes of people accidently buying it. At that point, Yo-Yo hadn't been around in a long time. I tried to get back into when 'Life during Wartime' started, but I couldn't get into it.. Or maybe I was just exceptionally grumpy at the time, that's also possible. That's definitely on my list of stuff I want to re-read (perhaps with a review thread), one of these days. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 14, 2014 16:43:07 GMT -5
You're joking on the Harry Potter thing, right? Tim had the owl from the first Books of Magic mini-series. He did, but they made it very, very Harry Potter-like in 'Names of Magic'. I felt like they had dumped everything about the series that was good in the hopes of people accidently buying it. At that point, Yo-Yo hadn't been around in a long time. I tried to get back into when 'Life during Wartime' started, but I couldn't get into it.. Or maybe I was just exceptionally grumpy at the time, that's also possible. That's definitely on my list of stuff I want to re-read (perhaps with a review thread), one of these days. No, the first few issues of Life During Wartime were hard for a lot of people to get through. Nothing seemed to make any sense. I know about ten big BoM fans who just gave up, so you're definitely not alone. Then there was this "fill-in" issue by Duncan Fegredo around 6 or 7 that was the key to understanding everything, and the series just takes off. When you re-read those first few issues after finishing the first year, you'll realize that everything was there all along, and the whole series is kinda a masterpiece. Like something like Stray Toasters or Metropol, it really does get better on a second reading. |
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 14, 2014 21:42:16 GMT -5
 Canadian writer / artist Bernie Mireault (BEM) gives us The Jam : Gordie Girby is a citizen of Montreal, Quebec, Canada, who is enamored with super heroes, psychic and paranormal phenomena. He dresses in a costume. The Jam does not have special powers. Gordon Kirby is an otherwise normal guy who found he enjoyed patrolling the rooftops of his home city in a crimefighting costume (a Sears jogging suit, modified by his sister to include a hood). He's not really a superhero (though he did once stop a mugging), but he's often found himself in the right place at the right time, and been forced to act heroically. Sometimes he is hired to do good deeds. His own view of his goals is summed up by his desire "To dominate the world with peace, love, and free beer." In his career he has battled an insane psychiatrist, terrorists, and even servants of the Devil. The Jam has appeared with both Madman and Nexus. This is a cool little series hardly anyone knows. Like Groo, he's had different publishers from late 80's publisher Matrix, to Slave Labor Graphics, Tundra, Dark Horse, and Caliber. Worth reading if you can find them.  Again, way overlooked, not only as a great sci-fi book, but title period.  The infamous Five Year Gap Legion run, my favorite run of LSH ever. |
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Post by earl on Nov 14, 2014 22:32:14 GMT -5
I think there are plenty of good Batman comics made in the 90s.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 14, 2014 23:17:25 GMT -5
I only ever liked the LOSH in the 60's reprints with the classic Curt Swan art.
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 15, 2014 2:39:44 GMT -5
I only ever liked the LOSH in the 60's reprints with the classic Curt Swan art. Really? I love a lot of those comics, too, but I'm not sure if I'd even care about them if it weren't for the Levitz '80s run or the Giffen 5 Year Gap. One of the thing I love about Giffen's 5 Year Gap was that he was pushing the storytelling in a very dense, sophisticated direction. The issue were loaded with information, and putting the pieces together wasn't very easy (but it was rewarding). People will say that it was dark or whatever and it was, but it was also challenging and rewarding. I can't imagine a major franchise superhero book pushing storytelling like that these days. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 15, 2014 2:42:12 GMT -5
I think there are plenty of good Batman comics made in the 90s. If nothing else, the '90s were the era of the Archie Goodwin edited Legends of the Dark Knight, which was the finest Bat-title of all-time. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 15, 2014 5:34:24 GMT -5
I only ever liked the LOSH in the 60's reprints with the classic Curt Swan art. Really? I love a lot of those comics, too, but I'm not sure if I'd even care about them if it weren't for the Levitz '80s run or the Giffen 5 Year Gap. One of the thing I love about Giffen's 5 Year Gap was that he was pushing the storytelling in a very dense, sophisticated direction. The issue were loaded with information, and putting the pieces together wasn't very easy (but it was rewarding). People will say that it was dark or whatever and it was, but it was also challenging and rewarding. I can't imagine a major franchise superhero book pushing storytelling like that these days. I'm just in the process of rereading these right now. I must admit that I'm stuck on the fence, I've never had a problem with the whole 5 years later thing, but the lack of clarity in the art, due to either lack of skill (Pearson) or Giffens odd style, makes it hard to tell who is who. I prefer the run of books that Levitz and Giffen did starting with the Great Darkness Saga (thats where they started together isnt it, a couple of back-ups leading into the full story when Keith finally took over from Broderick), through the Baxter series up to the 5 Yr Later reboot. But good on them for trying to push a boundary or two... |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 15, 2014 6:20:17 GMT -5
While I didn't care for the Clone Saga then (I haven't read it again cause I sold them all but a handful) I did love Age of Apocalypse, and still count it as one of the best X-Men, if not the best, I have read. And I know I am in a small camp with that too, as most are in liking the Clone Saga. Maybe at some point I'd buy a TPB of it, if it's been collected to read it again. Though I'm not an X-Men reader at all, I've heard talk about how disliked Age of Apocalypse is among the majority of the X-Men fanbase. Good for you for liking it though and sticking to your guns. In addition to liking the Clone Saga, warts and all, I absolutely love the Sins Past storyline, which you may be aware is the chief "whipping boy" storyline among Spider-Man fans (perhaps even more so than the Clone Saga). It's not easy to be a defender of poorly received story lines, but there is a very rewarding sense of being "righteous" and having vision, where others are wearing bifocals (to quote Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid). So, yeah...good for you. Keep on keepin' on, brother. |
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