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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2022 8:41:38 GMT -5
On the Twelfth Day of Christmas, The Ghost of Christmas Villainy pulled out all the stops and brought to me the Spirit's Rogues (The Cossack, P'Gell, etc.) and the Batman's Rogues (Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, etc.) with the Octopus lurking behind the scenes pulling all the strings to pit them all against Batman and the Spirt in Batman/Spirit #1 by inestimable Darwyn Cooke. This is a love letter to each of those rogues galleries-both of which are among my favorites-as much as it is a love letter to Batman and the Spirit, and a love letter to the essence of the super-hero and thus the super-villain team up in general, which puts it at the top of my list. Plus Darwyn!. -M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2022 8:52:53 GMT -5
Wow, @mrp, I didn’t know that existed!
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Post by shaxper on Dec 24, 2022 9:08:14 GMT -5
1. The Monk's Escondita GangOccurred in Corto Maltese: Ballad of the Salty Sea (1967-1969) By Hugo Pratt It starts off impressively enough: legends of a mysterious island and a gang of pirates led by some sort of evil monk. Working beneath him are some of the most memorable characters in all of literature, let alone comics: Rasputin: the mad Russian who truly believes he is as important and terrifying as the man whose name he borrows, Cranio: the shifty native underling with the smarts and cunning to run the organization all on his own, Slutter, the German officer so obsessed with honor and duty that he obeyed his superiors right into a shady piracy scheme that has him working alongside some of the most dishonorable criminals he has ever met while the lives of two innocent kids hang in the balance, a few less forgettable members, and (of course) Corto Maltese: the proto Han Solo who is only an underhanded scoundral when his sense of righteousness doesn't get in the way. The real surprise comes when, as we get to know each of these characters better, we discover that each of them possesses vulnerability and a soul. Stranger still, they actually care for one another (whether or not they would like to admit it) when they aren't trying to double-cross and kill one another, and those feelings even extend to their ruthless leader: Corto's time on the island of Escondita is the very centerpiece of the entire four decades of ensuing stories. It's Corto's Avalon, that time and place that could never last and yet is never far from his thoughts. Corto was no villain, but working with The Monk and the others against European war ships (circa World War I) in an effort to stay away from the madness of modern society was an escape he cherished, as did he cherish the lost souls who worked with him. And, while Corto is a tremendously memorable protagonist, I would argue that both The Monk and his tragic backstory, and Slutter and all that happens to him (Oh God! Read the damn book already, people!!) far upstaged him. These characters were beautiful, and they were villains, but sometimes they weren't wrong.
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Post by DubipR on Dec 24, 2022 9:08:18 GMT -5
On the Twelfth Day of Christmas, The Ghost of Christmas Villainy pulled out all the stops and brough to me the Spirit's Rogues (The Cossack, P'Gell, etc.) and the Batman's Rogues (Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, etc.) with the Octopus lurking behind the scenes pulling all the strings to pit them all against Batman and the Spirt in Batman/Spirit #1 by inestimable Darwyn Cooke. This is a love letter to each of those rogues galleries-both of which are among my favorites-as much as it is a love letter to Batman and the Spirit, and a love letter to the essence of the super-hero and thus the super-villain team up in general, which puts it at the top of my list. Plus Darwyn!. -M Fantastic choice MRP! Didn't even consider Eisner's rogue's gallery let alone Darwyn's use of them. Brilliant
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2022 9:09:41 GMT -5
Wow, @mrp, I didn’t know that existed! I think I used Batman/spirit in a previous 12 Days event. Did we do one on favorite team-ups or x-overs previously? If not, it was for some other Best/Favorite event we did here on the forums in the past. -M
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 24, 2022 11:08:22 GMT -5
It's come up plenty of times, including today. And now it seems like I'm just copying our fearless leader. But once I saw the theme, my #1 choice was not in doubt. Some say Batman has the best rogues gallery in comics, and I might believe that or believe it's a tie, or I might just believe the answer is Spider-Man. The difference is that while Batman's best rogues were introduced over many years by many creators, Spider-Man's best rogues were by Ditko and Lee and introduced over 15 issues. 15 issues. Nobody has introduced characters like these. Enduring characters, enduring looks for the same characters. And of course it's a great comic when six of them first teamed up. 1. Sinister Six
Dr. Octopus, Sandman, Electro, Vulture, Mysterio, Kraven Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1, Marvel, 1964 15 issues. And besides these 6 guys, we got Chameleon, Tinkerer, Lizard, Living Brain, Big Man and the Enforcers, and at least one other villain I'm probably forgetting. That's 15 enduringly iconic villains in 15 issues, including maybe 10 of the most significant Marvel villains. It's insane to think about. Ditko was on fire.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 24, 2022 11:31:19 GMT -5
1. The Four (Planetary) Evil analogues of the Justice League are a dime a dozen. Evil analogues of The Avengers are far from uncommon. But there have been far less...far far less of The Fantastic Four. Warren Ellis and John Cassaday give us the best in The Four, the main antagonists in Planetary. Randal Dowling, Kim Suskind, William Leather and Jacob Greene took America's first flight in to space. They approached The Bleed. And they came back...changed. But these aren't any cosmic adventurers who will help save mankind. Dowling had already been the creator of Science City, where all the evil experiments we remember from 1950s Sci-fi B-movies took place. Suskind was the daughter of a Nazi rocket scientist (damn Nazis). William Leather was robbed of his heritage as the child of a Century Baby by his mother's infidelity. And Greene...well he just appears to have been a general asshole. The Four, for reasons that would become clear toward the end of the book, suppressed mankind. They suppressed scientific progress. They hid artifacts that would have changed mankind. Rather than cosmic adventurers...they were the fire retardant of mankind's growth. And that...to me...is where Ellis grabbed something that I've mentioned a number of times and ran with it. I've long held to what Icctrombone calls "Slam Bradley's Law of Superheroes" that being that superhero comics are inherently silly and trying to make them make real-world sense just makes it more apparent that they're silly. We've seen plenty of attempts to show what would happen if there were super-heroes in real life...with greater and lesser success. But that's not really what Ellis is doing here. Ellis, I believe, is looking at super-science. And why the Marvel and DC universes CANNOT exist as they do. And I've hinted at this...but I'm just now really thinking about it. Take Pym Particles for one example. The existence of Pym Particles completely changes the nature of transportation and commerce in the world. They simply do. The ability to mass shrink items means that you transport far greater quantities in the same container. It changes the entire structure of the world. And don't tell me that they can't mass shrink things. In a very early issue of Fantastic Four Reed shrunk (whether with Pym Particles or an identical method he invented (I believe he stole them from Hank)) an entire planet's population and transported them across space in a single space-ship. You think the airplane changed the world...this turns it up to 11. Unstable Molecules. All those other super-scientific gadgets and concepts that come up all the time. The worlds of the MU or DCU should not look like our world. They can't. So why do they? Well we know why. Because readers want to be able to identify with the world. And writers tend not to actually think things through. Because Aunt May should not be living in a run down home in a very familiar suburb of NYC. It should be far closer to The Jetsons than The Honeymooners. Ellis gives us The Four as the explanation. They have suppressed mankind's growth. They've hidden the science and the magic that will take us beyond where we are. Instead of being the start of a brand new universe...they are the endpoint.
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Post by DubipR on Dec 24, 2022 11:59:47 GMT -5
Now that's a write up, and an amazing choice! Slam wins final day for me.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 24, 2022 12:24:49 GMT -5
1.Fatal Five (Adventure 352-353) "To the Death"*
This doomsday story, pitting the Dirty Dozen (less seven) aligned with the Magnificent Seven (less two) against the Sun-Eater, a force of Nature/creature/ deity feared in every corner of the galaxy. A (rare for its time at DC) two-part saga, the team-up made in hell is a near perfect all-time favorite of mine, from the ominous mention of a doomed Legionnaire on the cover of Adventure 353 to the eerie, unhuman Validus, Mano and Tharok, the sociopathic Persuader (name could have been better), the magisterial Emerald Empress, and the utter desperation of the Legion as they are forced to trust these evildoers as allies. The threat was believable, the villains despicable without a hint of having even a nugget-sized heart of gold among them -- Validus excepted. All were new, all were creations of the young Jim Shooter, who was bringing new life to the Legion. The heroes, on the other hand, were a decidedly motley and underpowered crew. They would have to try to save the universe sans Brainiac-5 and Saturn Girl, as well as the rest of the Legion. Only Superboy (natch!), old reliable Cosmic Boy, new kid in town Ferro Lad, Sun Boy, and the fabulously useless Princess Projectra were left to defend the Alamo against the ravenous Sun-Eater, a Galactus-level antagonist more like a Marvel entity, something unheard of at DC in those days, in a story told on a cosmic scale, also more Marvellian than DC-esque . Young Jim Shooter combined the best of Marvel with the best of DC in this finale (I had neither bought nor read the first half) and in a saga that today would have been a 12-issue mini-series destined to be collected in a trade, told a story of heroism, courage, treachery, and derring-do on an epic scale. In a time at DC that even a two-issue story was a rarity, this could have been expanded by two or three issues and would have been even greater. Still, it was as good as it got in 1966. No muss, no fuss, no merchandise tie-ins, no rapes or mind-wipes, no grim grittiness or painfully self-conscious world-weariness. These heroes and villains just got the job done. And so did Jim Shooter and Curt Swan. Great comic, thanks to a superb team of dastardly villains, generous dollops of treachery, evil, sentiment, and heroism. *Battle 56
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 24, 2022 18:29:07 GMT -5
Big storm over here and no power for the past 24 hours... but a little before the deadline, here is choice # 1. The Pirates from Astérix!The best running gag in comics: the pirates meet Astérix and Obélix, and like Wile E. Coyote, their fate is sealed! Usually with their ship being sunk, a peg-legged old dude saying something in Latin, and the fellow in the crow's nest commenting on this new misadventure. This became such an inescapable fate that we've seen the pirates scuttling their own ship just upon seeing our heroes, even if the latter had no intention of doing anything. The pirates were initially a spoof on another comic strip published in Pilote, the mag that published our gallic heroes' adventures: Le démon des Caraïbes (The Caribbean demon). The parodies quickly outgrew their original inspiration in terms of popularity! I was overjoyed to see them on the big screen in Mission Cléopatre, in the early 2000s. Their ship might have sunk yet again, but they gained immortality!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 24, 2022 18:40:46 GMT -5
1. The Monk's Escondita GangOccurred in Corto Maltese: Ballad of the Salty Sea (1967-1969) By Hugo Pratt It starts off impressively enough: legends of a mysterious island and a gang of pirates led by some sort of evil monk. Working beneath him are some of the most memorable characters in all of literature, let alone comics: Rasputin: the mad Russian who truly believes he is as important and terrifying as the man whose name he borrows, Cranio: the shifty native underling with the smarts and cunning to run the organization all on his own, Slutter, the German officer so obsessed with honor and duty that he obeyed his superiors right into a shady piracy scheme that has him working alongside some of the most dishonorable criminals he has ever met while the lives of two innocent kids hang in the balance, a few less forgettable members, and (of course) Corto Maltese: the proto Han Solo who is only an underhanded scoundral when his sense of righteousness doesn't get in the way. The real surprise comes when, as we get to know each of these characters better, we discover that each of them possesses vulnerability and a soul. Stranger still, they actually care for one another (whether or not they would like to admit it) when they aren't trying to double-cross and kill one another, and those feelings even extend to their ruthless leader: Corto's time on the island of Escondita is the very centerpiece of the entire four decades of ensuing stories. It's Corto's Avalon, that time and place that could never last and yet is never far from his thoughts. Corto was no villain, but working with The Monk and the others against European war ships (circa World War I) in an effort to stay away from the madness of modern society was an escape he cherished, as did he cherish the lost souls who worked with him. And, while Corto is a tremendously memorable protagonist, I would argue that both The Monk and his tragic backstory, and Slutter and all that happens to him (Oh God! Read the damn book already, people!!) far upstaged him. These characters were beautiful, and they were villains, but sometimes they weren't wrong. Brilliant choice! I would never have thought of it, but it's a most excellent one!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 24, 2022 18:43:06 GMT -5
#1- Milk & CheeseThe Carton of Hate. The Wedge of Spite. Dairy products gone bad. Evan Dorkin gave to the comic world two little hard drinking, TV watching, and riot inducing characters that reap havoc on everything and everyone. What makes these two my number one? It's simple; these two destroy every city, comic convention, and person in the name of, well nothing! They just like to destroy everything. Dorkin's brilliant satire on the state of everything under the sun is so funny. While is might look vicious (and it is!), he's a huge fan of what he mocks, today's pop culture. In letting out his 90s angst and humor, two dairy comestibles hack and slash into what we love about what we like. Even taking on serious subjects like getting old, letting go of your old stuff and Merv Griffin. Gin makes the man mean! So booze up and riot! I can't believe I overlooked those guys. Great choice! WAR! OF! THE! GARGANTUAS!
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Post by commond on Dec 24, 2022 18:52:36 GMT -5
I had The Four on my short list.
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Post by foxley on Dec 24, 2022 19:30:16 GMT -5
On the Twelfth Day of Christmas, The Ghost of Christmas Villainy pulled out all the stops and brought to me the Spirit's Rogues (The Cossack, P'Gell, etc.) and the Batman's Rogues (Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, etc.) with the Octopus lurking behind the scenes pulling all the strings to pit them all against Batman and the Spirt in Batman/Spirit #1 by inestimable Darwyn Cooke. This is a love letter to each of those rogues galleries-both of which are among my favorites-as much as it is a love letter to Batman and the Spirit, and a love letter to the essence of the super-hero and thus the super-villain team up in general, which puts it at the top of my list. Plus Darwyn!. -M One that was on my short list. Glad to see it getting some love.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 24, 2022 22:32:16 GMT -5
12. The Absorbing Man and Titania Forget your Simple Six and your Infatuous League, your Corto Criminals or Planetary Ne'er Do Wells. Frankly the only choices are the Titanian Twosome, the Absorbers, the 2, the only, Mr and Mrs Man. Look these 2 have been around for some time, why I remember Crusher outwitting those Avengers bums by turning into water and drifting away like the really really slow winner "cough" he is. Anywho, for some reason the marriage and subsequent pairing of Marvels Most Likely absolutely resonates with me, no matter how dire the situation they always have each others backs, exactly what us normal folks expect from our significant others. True love must never be discouraged, it should be encouraged, allowed to flower, to grow, to...blah blah
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