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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 11, 2023 12:33:40 GMT -5
Kang? Bah! TEAM KODOS!  |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 11, 2023 22:17:51 GMT -5
Kang is definitely my least favorite Avengers villain. I'm with driver on this one. Having just finished reading Avengers #1-5 and #80-300, I can safely say that Kang was one of the only aspects of that reading that I truly enjoyed. Time travel paradoxes rock, even if they are inherently illogical when you consider them deeply enough. I actually hate them. Back to the future even annoys me. Babylon 5 is just about the only time travel I've really been able to enjoy... that was so well considered and constructed it worked.
Kang is just silly. Why doesn't he just kill all the Avengers as children? Or kidnap them and recruit them? Or just use his whateverth century tech to just vaporize Avengers mansion when they're having a big meeting? Or keep turning up over and over again until he wears them out, or he comes up with a winning strategy? Then there's the whole thing where sometimes he's Immortus.. or then he was Young Avengers Iron Man for a while. And the Crossing. He was responsible for that horribleness as well. Or better yet, why does he bother with the 20th century at all? Just move on to an easier one to conquer. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 11, 2023 22:21:11 GMT -5
I don’t mind time travel as long as there are established rules and they are adhered to strictly, even if they seemingly don’t make sense. If going back in time and changing something ends that particular timeline while creating a new one, that’s fine. My wife, OTOH, absolutely hates time travel, mostly because she tries to apply “real world” logic to it despite it clearly being in a non-real world environment. For what they did in Endgame, I was OK with it, and if they follow the rules that were established there in this movie, then I will have no complaints. Endgame was more multiverse stuff than time travel... that's an annoying plot device, but not as bad as straight time travel. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 27, 2023 10:13:37 GMT -5
Wow, the movie has been out 2 weekends and not thread.. my, how the MCU has fallen.
I saw it (Mostly because my brother and nephew were going). It's pretty good.. it actually had a Farscape vibe to me, which was interesting. It really didn't feel like a Marvel Movie to me, which I guess is good? Kang was pretty good, though I don' t really like where the uber plot is headed.
I did like Cassie.. she'll fit in well (as she should ) with Kate Bishop. I think at this point the only thing I'm excited for in the MCU is Young Avengers. My hope is that the reason they haven't talked anything about who's in the next Avengers movie is because that's going to be it.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 27, 2023 16:15:41 GMT -5
I hope there's a reason MODOK is there and it's not just because everyone thinks he's funny/cool.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 27, 2023 19:18:34 GMT -5
I hope there's a reason MODOK is there and it's not just because everyone thinks he's funny/cool. That seems like a good enough reason. |
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Post by badwolf on Feb 27, 2023 19:49:44 GMT -5
I hope there's a reason MODOK is there and it's not just because everyone thinks he's funny/cool. That seems like a good enough reason. I can understand how it might seem like it but it's actually not. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 27, 2023 23:16:03 GMT -5
Telling you why he's in the movie would be a spoiler, but it makes sense.. it's just totally different from comic book MODOK. I don't think there's any relation to that Hulu show.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 28, 2023 8:05:34 GMT -5
I saw this with my wife and girls on the first Friday of release. It was fine for what it was, but nothing special.
The biggest drawback (no spoilers), IMO, is that it was just a stepping-stone. Establish Kang as the next Big Bad, introduce the “new” Cassie to build toward Young Avengers, and give Scott and Hope their swansong. It felt very by-the-book in that regard, and while that isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it made the movie feel far more slight than it should have.
Honestly, when the biggest “holy crap” moments are in the mid-credit and post-credit scenes, maybe more time and attention should have been paid to the actual film.
And MODOK is awesome, full stop.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 28, 2023 8:56:51 GMT -5
really? I 100% completely expected both of those. You're not wrong it was very by the numbers, but I feel like that's all of what Disney puts out. (Star Wars too, to a large extent, except the Mandolorian)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 18:46:01 GMT -5
My son and I saw this last weekend, I was so excited to see Kang come to the big screen (my favorite villain ever).
Avoiding spoilers, here are my feelings:
-The Quantum Realm is one of the most visually stunning realms brought to life in the MCU.
-Jonathan Majors did a wonderful job portraying Kang, great casting.
-I liked the idea of seeing M.O.D.O.K. but the CGI for him did not hit the mark IMO. Not because he looked "weird" (he's M.O.D.O.K for criminy sakes!), but literally the technical production aspect. HOWEVER...his lines in the final scene he appears in are some of the funniest I've heard in any Marvel movie.
-Otherwise, the movie fell a bit flat for me. Not "bad" per se, but just sort of going through the motions. Not quite pulling off the banter of the better moments of the Guardians movies, or sheer epicness of Infinity War/Endgame.
Yes, it's serving to set up Kang for later events and all that, but "on paper" I felt like this could have been so much more. An OK watch, but I'll look forward to future appearances of Kang.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 12, 2023 20:39:58 GMT -5
I agree the quantum realm was fun... it gave me Farscape vibes.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 21, 2023 10:35:22 GMT -5
I saw this with Number Three Son a few weeks ago and forgot to comment on it.
It's a Marvel movie. At this point that pretty much says it all. You know, by and large, what you're going to get. I did think that the Quantum Realm was well done. Kang was pretty good. Paul Rudd is always enjoyable, even if I'm convinced he has a portrait in his attic. But really there wasn't much here we haven't seen before. Marvel has a formula and this one didn't deviate from it one iota.
I can somewhat understand super-hero movie burnout. But as someone who grew up in the 70s and 80s and actually remembers how dire that time could be for comic book fans I'm not going to piss and moan about how much stuff is available in movies and on TV. You don't have to watch it all. I would absolutely love for Marvel to actually try something different in the movies. They've done that to an extent on the streaming shows. Werewolf By Night was definitely different. She-Hulk, though not remotely successful at least tried to be a sit-com. But when you're putting $200 million+ in your budget for a movie, I guess you're going to stick to formula for as long as it still works.
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Post by berkley on Mar 23, 2023 23:06:07 GMT -5
I saw this with Number Three Son a few weeks ago and forgot to comment on it. It's a Marvel movie. At this point that pretty much says it all. You know, by and large, what you're going to get. I did think that the Quantum Realm was well done. Kang was pretty good. Paul Rudd is always enjoyable, even if I'm convinced he has a portrait in his attic. But really there wasn't much here we haven't seen before. Marvel has a formula and this one didn't deviate from it one iota. I can somewhat understand super-hero movie burnout. But as someone who grew up in the 70s and 80s and actually remembers how dire that time could be for comic book fans I'm not going to piss and moan about how much stuff is available in movies and on TV. You don't have to watch it all. I would absolutely love for Marvel to actually try something different in the movies. They've done that to an extent on the streaming shows. Werewolf By Night was definitely different. She-Hulk, though not remotely successful at least tried to be a sit-com. But when you're putting $200 million+ in your budget for a movie, I guess you're going to stick to formula for as long as it still works. I saw it too with a couple friends about a month ago. I haven't seen the other Antman movies so I didn't know much of the back-story. What stood out for me about this one was the special effects, which I thought were very creative and entertaining. The alien character designs and landscapes were really spectacular, for the most part.
The story was a bit lost on me, perhaps in part through not having seen those earlier movies. I found the young daughter character a little annoying with her smart-alecky self-righteousness. I liked Michelle Pfeiffer and the actress who played her daughter or daughter-in-law (I only know Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne from the comics so all these other characters tend to get confused in my mind). The alien (or sub-atomic, I suppose) female warrior leader could have been a great character but the script let her down, undermining her stature by having her rescued by the heroes, etc.
Not sure what to make of Kang so far. I thought the actor played him as a little too much the ordinary Joe but that was presumably how he was directed to do it. I understand that Kang was trying to disguise his true nature but dramatically it really undercut the impressiveness I think the audience needs to feel for this kind of character to work. And that beginning affected my impression of him even after he came out and showed his true colours. But now all that's out of the way, it's possible that Kang's next appearances might work better for me.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 28, 2023 22:22:29 GMT -5
But as someone who grew up in the 70s and 80s and actually remembers how dire that time could be for comic book fans I'm not going to piss and moan about how much stuff is available in movies and on TV. You don't have to watch it all. The difference is that the superhero productions of the 70s and 80s were independent from each other, so it was easy to be selective about watching The Incredible Hulk, but bailing on Doctor Strange. That's a far different situation than the MCU model, where the studio aim is to make all of their junk one "universe" of interconnected, Easter Egg-battered films that audiences are all but ordered to watch to "get it" all (no matter how poor the execution). Sure, you can still pick and choose, but the stories in most MCU films are so thin that they are dependent on the aforementioned Easter Eggs & teases that they cannot stand on their own, with some very rare exceptions. |
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