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Post by james on Mar 13, 2023 13:49:08 GMT -5
Any artists or writers whose a styles took drastic changes over the years that either made you shake your head, breathe a sigh of relief or totally drop a book?
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Post by Graphic Autist on Mar 13, 2023 14:00:24 GMT -5
I liked Frank Miller’s art way more when he was younger than I did after he turned 30.
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Post by tonebone on Mar 13, 2023 14:19:12 GMT -5
I liked Frank Miller’s art way more when he was younger than I did after he turned 30. That's because when he was younger, he used a pencil. With Dark Knight Returns, he did a lot of pages with just ink, usually marker. No planning, just whatever struck him at the time. He and Lynn Varley got ONE MILLION DOLLARS for that. Let's not even talk about how HER art changed with that book... sheesh.....
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Post by tonebone on Mar 13, 2023 14:20:44 GMT -5
Stu Immomen's art used to be near-photographic... along the lines of Adams or Bryan Hitch... and then BAM he switched to a more cartoony style, around the "Agents of HATE" era.
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Post by james on Mar 13, 2023 14:42:17 GMT -5
JRJR on Spiderman in the 80's and Iron man in the 80's was some of my favorite art. Then right around his DD run I found his art not to my liking and it made me drop DD and not pick up anything he did since except sporadically.
Walt Simonson's art seemed very generic to me on his first run on Thor in the late 70's to something dynamic in the 80's
The one that is the toughest for me to accept was George Perez's style changing from Ultraverse to his Avengers Vol 3 with Kurt Busiek. I don't know if it was the inker, ( same on both books by the way) growing medical issues or just stylistic change but I stopped reading his Ultraverse books and every issue of the Avengers I bought hoping his art would get better.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 13, 2023 14:48:42 GMT -5
Keith Giffen turned into a mess in the 90’s.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 13, 2023 15:44:56 GMT -5
Steve Ditko's 80s work is pretty horrid.
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Post by supercat on Mar 13, 2023 16:37:31 GMT -5
Keith Giffen for me as well, but 80's when he did the abrupt ripoff change. Besides the fact he got into all that trouble for imitating too closely another artist, I hated it on the Legion main title. When he was drawing "classic style", his stuff looked amazing, but the stylized stuff didn't hit the mark for me (though I was fine with it on Ambush Bug or the Legion of Subs special). In short order he went from one of my favorite artists to "thank goodness Steve Lightle took over".
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Post by impulse on Mar 13, 2023 16:52:15 GMT -5
Chris Bachalo. It's less a point in time and more that his art style is always fluid and changes, and it oozed into and out of styles I like, sometimes beautiful and crisp and others incomprehensible and unreadable.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 13, 2023 17:49:44 GMT -5
Steve Ditko's 80s work is pretty horrid. Oh, indeed it was. His work looked so watered down and incompatible with any approach to comic illustration of the 80s--he was almost a bad caricature of his early 60s work.
Kirby's mid-70s return to Marvel stood out for similar reasons.
Although by no means my favorite Archie artist, by the 60s, Dan DeCarlo had perfected his art to the point where it was the unofficial house style, but by the 70s, his art lost its edge and was nowhere near as tight as it had been during the height of his Archie career.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 13, 2023 18:27:50 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slam at his later work but I've always preferred the dynamic, sinuous, atmospheric Jack Kirby of the Golden Age to the geometric, near-abstract Kirby of his later years (with the notable exception of Streetwise).
Cei-U! I summon the heresy!
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 13, 2023 18:28:37 GMT -5
Of course I disagree about Kirby.
Part of the problem with Ditko, besides his heart wasn't in it, was in his early days he inked his own work. This meant he left a lot out in his pencils and added it during inking, like Spider-man's webs. He really needed a "finisher" for his later work. That said, I liked his work on Rom.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 13, 2023 18:30:11 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slam at his later work but I've always preferred the dynamic, sinuous, atmospheric Jack Kirby of the Golden Age to the geometric, near-abstract Kirby of his later years (with the notable exception of Streetwise). Cei-U! I summon the heresy! People tend to peg Kirby in his mid 60s work. But his style always evolved and changed.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 13, 2023 21:27:26 GMT -5
I think later Kirby work depends on the project. Eternals has material just as strong as the 4th World books. I think it was more the material he did at Marvel's behest, like going back to captain America or the Black Panther, where it falters; but, I still think there is a lot of great stuff in there. When he introduces Arnim Zola and that bunch, it gets weird as all heck; but, the visuals stick in your head. Once he goes of to animation, that power is still there, when you see his presentation art; but, age and health problems affect the sureness of his line. Ditko I agree about the 80s and would argue the 70s, to a point. I think it is more his head wasn't in it, as much as his heart as the more Randian he became, the less power there was in the work. Maybe that's my own prejudices. JRJR was the first thing that leapt to my mind. I was a big fan of his, on Iron Man. Part of the reason I dropped X-Men, aside from Claremont repeating himself was the art from Romita Jr. I really, really hated it. Giffen has always had trouble developing his own style. Early on, he was very Kirby, with a bit more Adams, when he did stuff for DC. Kind of like rich Buckler. By the time he came back to things on Legion, with that evolved style, I thought his stuff looked fantastic, even as he ripped off Philippe Druillet motifs in some of his design work and architecture. Then, suddenly, he turned into a Jose Munoz clone, but without Munoz's power. Miller also turned into Munoz, right down to the subject matter, by Sin City. Look at Munoz's Joe's Bar and Alack Sinner and tell me that Miller wasn't drooling over it. As it was, he was also borrowing liberally from Goseki Kojima (Lone Wolf & Cub) and added some Moebius, in Ronin. With Miller, it is more his writing that I find off-putting, than his visuals, though there is some of that in later work, like the follow on Dark Knight books. I don't rate The 300 highly, mainly from a historical perspective; but, his visuals are better there than DKSA and DKBADH (Dark Knight: Beating A Dead Horse). Byrne is one where I loved his early stuff, then it seemed to get messier and messier and less and less detail, which I get, given he was writing, too; but, it just seemed less. When he could take more time and obviously loved what he was doing, like Batman/Captain America, I thought he could still bring it. One where I would go the opposite direction (aside from the usual evolution due to experience) is Rob Liefeld. He was the drizzling [email protected]#$% at the start (other than Karl Kesel cleaning it up) and continued that way through his Image and Awesome Comics stuff (and Marvel return); but, as the 21st Century has progressed, I have seen some really great art from him, with feet and everything! I don't know if it was maturity or just having the time to do it right or develop it.
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Post by DubipR on Mar 13, 2023 21:35:47 GMT -5
I liked Frank Miller’s art way more when he was younger than I did after he turned 30. That's because when he was younger, he used a pencil. With Dark Knight Returns, he did a lot of pages with just ink, usually marker. No planning, just whatever struck him at the time. He and Lynn Varley got ONE MILLION DOLLARS for that. Let's not even talk about how HER art changed with that book... sheesh..... And the piles of coke he was doing in the 80s didn't help either...
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