k7p5v
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Post by k7p5v on Mar 14, 2023 4:18:58 GMT -5
The earlier artwork from Herb Trimpe was neat (IMHO): But, it took a weird turn during the '90s
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 14, 2023 5:53:50 GMT -5
But, it took a weird turn during the '90s That is horrible. If that was Trimpe altering his style to meet the idiotic demands for hackish e Xtremism in comic art of that era. he was hurting his legacy.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 14, 2023 7:40:03 GMT -5
Trimpe did that on his own. No editorial demand. He said he was just having fun with it. I agree that it didn't work. But I give him a break for experimenting.
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Post by tonebone on Mar 14, 2023 8:29:24 GMT -5
Trimpe did that on his own. No editorial demand. He said he was just having fun with it. I agree that it didn't work. But I give him a break for experimenting. Yeah, I read that too.. it was his own initiative. I have always suspected he was lampooning the Image crowd, and seeing how far he could push it and still get paid for it. Maybe even paid MORE... Like he was trying to find the breaking point, and found out there wasn't one. Reminds me of how Wally Wood would draw Power Girl's boobs bigger in each issue of All-Star Comics, suspecting the editor wasn't really looking at the pages he submitted... Until she's ballooned up to what we have today. If you want to see some REALLY GREAT Trimpe art, check out Savage Tales, a B+W Marvel Mag from the 80's where he did a strip (The Skywarriors) featuring lots and lots of planes... his passion.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 14, 2023 9:45:23 GMT -5
That is good stuff. He loved planes. His Phantom Eagle was also good.
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Post by impulse on Mar 14, 2023 9:45:48 GMT -5
I agree that 90s Trimpe work looks like satire, and if he was able to get paid well for it, good for him.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 14, 2023 11:08:45 GMT -5
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Post by MDG on Mar 14, 2023 11:52:41 GMT -5
I'll have to stick up for some favorites here...
I'm a big fan of Giffen's work in the 80s, liking it a lot more than his earlier work. I thought his later Legion and Ambush Bug was excellent. (And I was familiar with Munoz before Giffen glommed onto his style.) I even liked the art in Five Years Later, though I couldn;t be bothered with the story.
But I'll admit it went off the rails in Trencher and the other "Stained-glass" stuff he did.
Some later Ditko and Infantino suffer from inkers who didn;t know what to do with them. In the first place, no-one besides Ditko should ink Ditko, but the storytelling is clear. I just don;t think he was emotionally invested a lot of the time--it was just a job.
Infantino was always a notoriously loose penciller, but he did work in the 80s that looks great when he had a sympathetic inker. Denis Jensen on the Flash might be his best inker ever, and his work at Warren ranks with his best. And I'm OK with Wiacek or whoever was doing Star Wars, but I love Carmine's style.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 14, 2023 12:12:15 GMT -5
I didn't mind Infantino on some books in the 80s. I agree the inker mattered. I had the feeling that he was not happy returning to the drudge work of drawing comics after being the top dog at DC.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 14, 2023 12:18:44 GMT -5
Ditko with good inkers/finishers on Rom. Kim Demulder P Craig Russell
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Post by badwolf on Mar 14, 2023 12:45:03 GMT -5
I don't think anybody's inks could save Ditko's art in the 80s, not even John Byrne's. I'm one of the oddballs that loves Infantino's Marvel work better than his earlier DC work. I guess the clothes do look a bit stiff in the above example, but I can't say I've noticed it while reading. And yeah, inkers can matter. I thought he looked great on Spider-Woman, with Al Gordon inking. although I am seeing the stiffness in the guy's jacket. Curse you! Maybe it's new and he hasn't "worn it in" yet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 12:45:58 GMT -5
I don't mean this as a slam at his later work but I've always preferred the dynamic, sinuous, atmospheric Jack Kirby of the Golden Age to the geometric, near-abstract Kirby of his later years (with the notable exception of Streetwise). Cei-U! I summon the heresy! What he said. On a purely personal level, I feel a little guilty when I criticise Kirby because I have so much respect for his early work. And the magic he has provided. I wouldn’t project that onto anyone, that’s just my view. But I do feel that about his later work. I do like Byrne’s work. His faces do look the same, but there is a lot to enjoy, too.
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Post by tonebone on Mar 14, 2023 15:37:31 GMT -5
I loved Infantino's Star Wars and other Marvel stuff in the 70s-80s. He was one of the first artists where I noticed a distinctive style, along with Ditko, Kane, and Kirby. I think some of the SW stuff may look rushed to us now, because he had to spend so much time detailing robots, armor, spaceships, and other stuff that Lucasfilm was a stickler for. Inker-wise, Gene Day did a bang-up job with his pencils...
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 14, 2023 16:05:52 GMT -5
Infantino was always a notoriously loose penciller, but he did work in the 80s that looks great when he had a sympathetic inker. Denis Jensen on the Flash might be his best inker ever, and his work at Warren ranks with his best. And Infantino is one of the few, true comic book masters, as he was adept in nearly every genre. You mentioned his Warren work, and it was fantastic, as seen below: "Those 'Orrible Passions of '78" from Creepy #87 (March, 1977) w/ Dick Giordano inks-- "The Hungry Dragon" from Creepy #90 (June, 1977) w/ Alex Nino inks-- It was Bob Wiacek, and he perfectly complimented Infantino's pencils, for the brutal action and sci-fi edge that series needed, particularly in panels like this one from "Dark Encounter" as seen in Star Wars #29 (November, 1979). BTW, the Infantino era was Star Wars' highest selling period, with sales rivaling The Amazing Spider-Man:
Infantino was astoundingly versatile, never trapped by art that would only fit the superhero genre. That said, I was fond of his run on the second Supergirl title (1982-84), giving her the kind of energy she rarely enjoyed in the years before this series.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 14, 2023 21:50:54 GMT -5
I was fine with his Star Wars stuff, though I preferred Chaykin or Walt Simonson. With Carmine it was more in the details of how he drew things like the blasters and some of the ships, as he either ignored them, or didn't quite capture the look (like the Star Destroyers). Also never cared for how he drew lightsabers. I also wanted to see them get Luke out of the space pajamas far earlier than they did. The comic strip did (at least, when Al Williamson took over) as did the movies. the pre-Empire Marvel stories stuck with the desert clothes, even on water worlds and other places. Leia never got out of her dress, until much later.
That said, I thought he told Archie's stories quite well and the book was always dynamic.
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