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Post by tolworthy on Aug 15, 2014 9:05:11 GMT -5
I gave it a shot (though this level of detail certainly exceeds my brain) and got 7 right. 7 is an excellent score. I designed the quiz to target well known "facts" that IMO are wrong, so it's designed to trip up all but the most obsessive fans. So anything above 4 (25 percent, i.e. wild guesses) is pretty darn good. Especially as, as you say, I cut it off before Simonson's run, and only include the main title, so even FF experts have to mentally disentangle half of what they have read. So 7-10 probably counts as expert, and anything above 10 means you probably cheated I should probably have a more humane quiz as well, just so people don't leave the site feeling depressed and angry. My only questiom is on the membership... you clearly didn't could the 'New' Fantastic Four (wolverine, Ghost Rider, Hulk and... Spidey maybe?). Also, I could have sworn Spiderman was a member for like 1/2 an issue, then quit (much like he did with the Avengers a couple times). Yes, so much changes in Simonson's run that I conclude it's different characters. I don't think Spidey ever joined in the main book before that. Maybe he wore the costume for an issue or so in one of is own books? In the FF title he fought the team briefly in Kirby's run, had a team up in F207 (IIRC) and the Trapster impersonated him in a pre-232 Byrne issue, but I think that's the extent of it. As for the post Shooter era, anything goes, so all bets are off. I once counted 17 Spider-man stories in a single month, and I think Wolverine has the record at 30 or so!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 15, 2014 9:37:51 GMT -5
It would have been an early issue I'm thinking of, so if you don't remember it, I'll go ahead and believe you... perhaps what I'm thinking of is in a retcon type title (maybe Untold Tales, or even the Slott Spidey/Human Torch mini?) Or maybe Hickman made up a flashback that didn't exist when Spidey did join? That could be, too. I know for certain during the Stern run of Avengers Spidey drew an Avengers paycheck at least once(they made it a story point), then quit when he got overwhelmed about being in space(I think it was against the Stranger). I also vague recall him breaking in to Avengers mansion to prove he could cut it, then going on a mission with them, but that could possibly be the same story . Also, I have to admit probably 3 of the 7 I got right was specifically because I remember you posting about them, so I'm not sure that counts me an expert
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Post by Jasoomian on Aug 16, 2014 23:33:50 GMT -5
1. Principal photography on the new Fantastic Four film has wrapped. 2. I finally saw the 2005 Fantastic Four film, and it wasn't that bad. Not great, but serviceable. 3. It seems like there's a Fantastic Four skit in purt near every epiosde of Robot Chicken this season. E.g., video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/fantastic-four-play.html4. There is no rule four.
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 18, 2014 13:06:15 GMT -5
Help! Does anybody have a reliable scan, or scannable facsimile (or even, gasp, a scannable non-sealed original) of Fantastic Four 1? I'm trying to solve a mystery. The GITCORP 44 years DVD does not include the inside front cover, the part that includes the indicia. Instead, it includes the IFC from issue 8. Here are the indicias from key issues from the DVD. (I was checking when the name Marvel first appeared as the publisher in the small print - it's not until issue 133! Until then "marvel comics group" merely referred to how Martin Goodman grouped magazines for selling advertising space) So I'm trying to find a scan of the original issue 1 IFC, to see what I'm missing. Can anyone help?
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Post by tolworthy on Sept 22, 2014 21:28:45 GMT -5
I'll take that as a no Here's a totally different topic. Something I never noticed before. The same month that FF 1 came out, pretty much EVERY Timely monster comic featured an orange lumpy thing. Weird, huh? Screenshots and discussion here: zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/ff_origin.html#thingsAnd all cover dated November 1961. Did I miss any? EDIT: the board only seems to allow two images. I guess you'll have to visit my site for the rest
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 23, 2014 11:05:23 GMT -5
Weren't Marvel's cover dates a little strange in that period? Books with the same cover date didn't always come out the same month, IIRC.
It is an interesting coincidence.
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Post by ghastly55 on Sept 27, 2014 14:11:16 GMT -5
Nice place you got here in the Baxter Penthouse.
I discovered the Fantastic Four very early on, without really realizing what I had discovered.
Somehow in my pile of comics circa 1961 (when I was 6) were a few scattered issues of Strange Tales and Journey Into Mystery, which were hiding from the mainstream Superboy and Jimmy Olsen issues that constituted the majority of my collection. I kept reading them and recognizing "the weird artist", "the monster artist" and "the good girl artist" working in each issue.
Then in the fall of 1961 when I was hospitalized in Baltimore to get my tonsils out, my father went to the store next door to buy me some new comics to amuse me whilst I sucked on orange popsicles. Among the haul was Skrulls From Outer Space, Fantastic Four #2.
I didn't really realize that this was a superhero book, since there were no secret identities, kid sidekicks, or nosy girl reporters involved. But I recognized "the monster artist" from those other books, and then when the story ended with Reed showing the Skrull commander "pictures clipped out of Strange Tales and Journey Into Mystery", I was hooked.
Except that I could never find any more issues in this line. It seemed that the store near our house didn't carry the title, and we never had cause to go near that hospital again. So I had to read and re-read that issue for more than four years, wondering if anything ever became of this odd little combo. I cut out the "pin-up" of The Thing and taped it to my toybox, only to have it thrown out by my mother because she said it scared her to look at the picture. (Chalk up another win for King Kirby!)
Then the week after school let out in the early summer of 1966, I loaded up on some summer comics, among which was Amazing Spider-Man 40. It took me awhile to get to that book, but eventually I did .. and I was hooked. I had to go back to the store and look for more books with that little "Marvel Comics Group" character corner box. And although there weren't many, I did see Fantastic Four 55, and realized, hey, this group DID survive after all. But man did The Thing look different!
Then I started hanging out with another kid in the neighborhood, and he offered to trade me one of the comics in his collection that he didn't like for some Weisinger nonsense in my own collection. What he gave me was Fantastic Four 45, "Among Us Hide The Inhumans". It was awful tough to follow this story, beginning as it did with characters named Gorgon, Medusa and Dragon Man, whom I had never heard of before. But stumbling onto the first appearance of Black Bolt and Crystal made the story a tale to astonish.
I was able to catch up on most of what I missed through the reprints in Marvel Collectors Item Classics over the next few years, and although the FF wasn't my favorite Marvel Comic at any point (until Byrne came along much later), I would always check in with this title first whenever I decided to try buying comics again.
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Post by ironchimp on Sept 27, 2014 18:27:53 GMT -5
Help! Does anybody have a reliable scan, or scannable facsimile (or even, gasp, a scannable non-sealed original) of Fantastic Four 1? I'm trying to solve a mystery. If you know whether the marvel reprint if #1 from early 90s is a full facsimile let me know and i'll send you a copy - i am sure i have a few of those around the house.
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Post by tolworthy on Sept 28, 2014 1:59:42 GMT -5
I didn't know about the 1990s copy - now you've got my attention! If it's not too much trouble I'd be very interested to see the indicia. But if it means searching then there's no hurry. Thanks!
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Post by tolworthy on Sept 28, 2014 2:08:00 GMT -5
I had to read and re-read that issue for more than four years, wondering if anything ever became of this odd little combo. I love hearing from people who were there at the start. Do you remember any more about that issue? I'm always interested when people spend a long time on one issue, they often see things other people miss.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 2:11:11 GMT -5
Is this the one Iron Chimp? If it is, and it's like the other Milestone Editions, it's a full facsimile except for the indicia, which was updated to reflect the current publication info....iirc. I don't have the FF #1 issue (though I do have a #5 and several other Milestone Editions). -M
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Post by ghastly55 on Sept 28, 2014 10:13:27 GMT -5
I had to read and re-read that issue for more than four years, wondering if anything ever became of this odd little combo. I love hearing from people who were there at the start. Do you remember any more about that issue? I'm always interested when people spend a long time on one issue, they often see things other people miss. Oh, I remember EVERYTHING about that issue! I remember noticing that unlike the DCs I was so used to reading, this was one full book-length story (albeit divided up into chapters). I remember that so much of the story was told purely in the pictures rather than repeated in expository captions. Like when at the beginning of one of the chapters when the FF are captured by the army, The Thing has reverted to Ben Grimm, but no captions mentioned it and four panels went by before the army general asked "Who are you, mister???" I remember that Reed looked slightly menacing in his first few panel appearances. I remember that opening panel where an amorphous orange blob (which we're supposed to recognize, apparently) is swimming towards an oil rig. The opening panel was actually the beginning of the story, rather than a second cover shot as was common at DC. I remember little blurbs at the bottom of some of the pages, saying things like "What is ... the Incredible Hulk" and "Look for Amazing Adult Fantasy" I remember the closing panel being memorable because it was a long shot of four tiny figures walking across a field wondering if they did the right thing, as opposed to the DC standard of back-slapping reinforcement of some moral or other. I remember noticing that the colors were very muddy and imprecise and yet that didn't distract me from being fascinated by the story itself. Over at the Distinguished Competition, for instance, Superman's 'S' symbol, as small and colorful as it was, was always very precisely delineated and colored with nothing going outside the lines, whereas in this book even a dark purple water tower was off-register. I remember noticing that there were actual signatures on many of the splash panels, something unheard of in the DC comics I'd been mostly reading up until then. I remember thinking that the dull yellow cover seemed odd, when compared to the primary color backgrounds throughout the Weisingerverse. I remember studying for hours that three-or-four-panel progression where Ben gradually reverts to The Thing. Had I been a Madison Avenue executive I'd market that progression with the catchphrase "You'll believe a monster can cry." I mean, I still enjoyed reading about The Thought Beasts of Krypton and Proty and Gorilla Grodd. But THIS ... this was DIFFERENT.
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Post by tolworthy on Sept 28, 2014 11:08:44 GMT -5
it's a full facsimile except for the indicia, which was updated to reflect the current publication info. And so the mystery continues! So when somebody pays a million dollars for an original copy of FF1 they are really just paying for that one tiny strip of data. The secret knowledge available only to the elite! ;
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Post by ironchimp on Sept 28, 2014 11:43:39 GMT -5
Is this the one Iron Chimp If it is, and it's like the other Milestone Editions, it's a full facsimile except for the indicia, which was updated to reflect the current publication info....iirc. I don't have the FF #1 issue (though I do have a #5 and several other Milestone Editions). -M yes that's the one I was describing very badly. .. ahh so that one doesnt have the info in it either. $3 for a reprint in the early 90s... thanks marvel
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Post by tolworthy on Sept 28, 2014 11:52:49 GMT -5
I love hearing from people who were there at the start. Do you remember any more about that issue? I'm always interested when people spend a long time on one issue, they often see things other people miss. Oh, I remember EVERYTHING about that issue! I remember noticing that unlike the DCs I was so used to reading, this was one full book-length story (albeit divided up into chapters). I remember that so much of the story was told purely in the pictures rather than repeated in expository captions. Like when at the beginning of one of the chapters when the FF are captured by the army, The Thing has reverted to Ben Grimm, but no captions mentioned it and four panels went by before the army general asked "Who are you, mister???" I remember that Reed looked slightly menacing in his first few panel appearances. I remember that opening panel where an amorphous orange blob (which we're supposed to recognize, apparently) is swimming towards an oil rig. The opening panel was actually the beginning of the story, rather than a second cover shot as was common at DC. I remember little blurbs at the bottom of some of the pages, saying things like "What is ... the Incredible Hulk" and "Look for Amazing Adult Fantasy" I remember the closing panel being memorable because it was a long shot of four tiny figures walking across a field wondering if they did the right thing, as opposed to the DC standard of back-slapping reinforcement of some moral or other. I remember noticing that the colors were very muddy and imprecise and yet that didn't distract me from being fascinated by the story itself. Over at the Distinguished Competition, for instance, Superman's 'S' symbol, as small and colorful as it was, was always very precisely delineated and colored with nothing going outside the lines, whereas in this book even a dark purple water tower was off-register. I remember noticing that there were actual signatures on many of the splash panels, something unheard of in the DC comics I'd been mostly reading up until then. I remember thinking that the dull yellow cover seemed odd, when compared to the primary color backgrounds throughout the Weisingerverse. I remember studying for hours that three-or-four-panel progression where Ben gradually reverts to The Thing. Had I been a Madison Avenue executive I'd market that progression with the catchphrase "You'll believe a monster can cry." I mean, I still enjoyed reading about The Thought Beasts of Krypton and Proty and Gorilla Grodd. But THIS ... this was DIFFERENT. Superb! Do you mind if I quote this in full on my web site? I want people to appreciate what it was like to discover these for the first time, and to read them in depth: your example is perfect.
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