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Post by wildfire2099 on May 17, 2023 21:23:08 GMT -5
Mantis is also #1 on mine... I would add Deadpool, Squirrel Girl, and rick Jones
Whhhaaaaaatttt??
Rick Jones had his moments in many memorable stories, including those during his brief run as the second Bucky.
I can sign on to adding Deadpool (in print and film) and Squirrel Girl. Add Gambit, most Marvel mutants, Thanos (AKA discount Darkseid), anyone with rollerskates and/or a skateboard (late 70s Marvel...ugh!), most "martial arts" characters, usually spewing the most unrealistic "philosophy" and descriptions of their "skills".
DC's late Golden and Silver Age was overflowing with characters to dislike. For examples, see non-major characters (e.g., Batman, Green Arrow, Brainiac, et al.) found in Jimmy Olsen, Superman, Action Comics, etc.
You know what? I forgot about Sam Alexander.. he definitely takes that spot.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 17, 2023 21:43:51 GMT -5
I already have my mountain carved out but the mention of really odious characters like Danny Chase and Terry Long make me want to renovate. But I’d rather keep it to super powered beings. Long is quite despicable banging his college students. The best thing he ever did was die In a car wreck.
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Post by berkley on May 18, 2023 0:43:11 GMT -5
One reason I have trouble answering this is that when I try to think of characters I dislike, I find many of them turn out to be only certain versions of that character. An obvious example would be Batman: never a favourite of mine, but I never actively disliked the character until I became aware of the "Bat-God" version that can never lose, has a plan for absolutely everything or anything that could ever arise in the course of his activities, etc.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 18, 2023 6:11:20 GMT -5
Do I have to limit it to four?
Robin the Boy Wonder in every incarnation. He serves here as the archetype of every costumed kid sidekick because I loathe the whole concept.
Thanos Big surprise, right? But I could just as easily have said The Beyonder or The Anti-Monitor or any villain whose stated goal is to conquer or destroy the universe/multiverse/omniverse. I'd lump Kang and the other time-traveling baddies here, too. "Cosmic" bores the crap out of me.
The Kingpin has annoyed me since his first appearance. Dull as a character and infuriating in his untouchability. Ditto post-Crisis Lex Luthor and resurrected Norman Osborn.
The Punisher. Characters like this disrupt the logic of the shared universes they exist in. No way would the good guys let this psycho run around loose.
Oh, and I hate Mantis, too, but not as much as the four cited above. Also Moondragon, the post-Crisis Joker, and pretty much every X-Man created after Kitty Pryde (though I like most of the original New Mutants).
Cei-U! I summon the Hall of Infamy!
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Post by tarkintino on May 18, 2023 7:28:29 GMT -5
Do I have to limit it to four? Robin the Boy Wonder in every incarnation. He serves here as the archetype of every costumed kid sidekick because I loathe the whole concept. Hey, don't blame the original for the rip-offs! Dick Grayson was allowed to grow into his own character in the mid - late 1960s, and break away from being the "boy wonder", as explored in several memorable issues of Teen Titans, Batman, Detective Comics and of curse, The New Teen Titans. As far as i'm concerned, Grayson's evolution is exactly the way to turn kid sidekick into self-aware adult not apeing his mentor. The Kingpin was partially based on real world Mafia leaders of that era who rarely--if ever--faced justice. Its that kind of power and arrogance that made The Kingpin as compelling as a villain could get because he was not some superpowered menace no one could imagine being real, but a regular, yet cunning (even thoughtful) human who knew how to exert power over regular lives, no matter their status or level of importance, like many real world criminals of that ilk (historically speaking). I've never understood shining a light on the Punisher as if his methods are somehow worse than God-like superbeings who routinely destroy populated cities, cause and/or invite collateral damage across the planet, do not answer to any form of authority, show a lack of discipline and sense in that they merely "allow" mass destruction from threats, but rarely end the threat, which should be their prime goal as superheroes. If they cannot accomplish that (and not due to having a moral code against killing, or something along that line), then the heroes are threats as well (but not in the way explored in that cartoony Civil War). Superheroes pose a greater danger to lives than the Punisher on his most successful day, and he--in his best stories--focused on the target, not wildly causing widespread destruction, seemingly not caring that regular people are all around them. The Punisher arrived at a time when lawlessness in America was an all-consuming concern from one coast to the other, along with the anger generated from laws that appeared to protect and/or coddle the worst criminals, leaving the innocent in increasingly vulnerable positions. The sub-genre of "vigilante" and/or "rogue cop" in media of the era was a response to the very real nightmares on American streets (which I had firsthand experience with), which The Punisher was designed to address. He was a successful creation because he provided a needed edge in the then-maturing comic book universe and in a sense, gave a break to "safe" costumed characters who were not going to end threats to the public they claimed to care so much about.
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Post by foxley on May 18, 2023 7:53:30 GMT -5
ThanosBland Darkseid ripoff that has become Jim Starlin's Mary Sue and is completely unbeatable. Apparently the only reason why he is hasn't killed everything in the universe is because he keeps deciding not to. Danny ChaseWorst. Titan. Ever. Sorry Marv, but no one who isn't you finds this annoying brat interesting in any way. Superboy-PrimeNasty and vindictive 'take that' aimed against comics fans. Nice to know what professionals think about their fanbase. WolverineThe original over-hyped hero who appeared everywhere and would usurp the focus from the actual stars of the book, and the perfect example of appealing to the lowest common denominator among comics fan. Isn't it odd that Marvel's ultimate 'loner' is a member of every team in the MU?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 8:04:27 GMT -5
100% with foxley on Superboy-Prime. Horrible. Possibly the worst.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 18, 2023 9:15:19 GMT -5
Do I have to limit it to four? Robin the Boy Wonder in every incarnation. He serves here as the archetype of every costumed kid sidekick because I loathe the whole concept. Hey, don't blame the original for the rip-offs! Dick Grayson was allowed to grow into his own character in the mid - late 1960s, and break away from being the "boy wonder", as explored in several memorable issues of Teen Titans, Batman, Detective Comics and of curse, The New Teen Titans. As far as i'm concerned, Grayson's evolution is exactly the way to turn kid sidekick into self-aware adult not apeing his mentor. Ah, but I *do* blame the original. Robin was a stupid idea in 1940 and he/she is still a stupid idea in 2023. In case I didn't make myself clear, I f'ing hate every version of Robin including Nightwing. Doesn't mean I haven't enjoyed the bejabbers out of stories or whole series featuring Robin (I'm gaga over Teen Titans Go! and I thought I did right by Dick in Lash House) but if I had my druthers not a single costumed kid sidekick, past or present, would exist in the DCU.
Cei-U! And that goes for Bucky and Toro, too!
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Post by Icctrombone on May 18, 2023 9:58:47 GMT -5
Do I have to limit it to four? Robin the Boy Wonder in every incarnation. He serves here as the archetype of every costumed kid sidekick because I loathe the whole concept. Thanos Big surprise, right? But I could just as easily have said The Beyonder or The Anti-Monitor or any villain whose stated goal is to conquer or destroy the universe/multiverse/omniverse. I'd lump Kang and the other time-traveling baddies here, too. "Cosmic" bores the crap out of me. The Kingpin has annoyed me since his first appearance. Dull as a character and infuriating in his untouchability. Ditto post-Crisis Lex Luthor and resurrected Norman Osborn. The Punisher. Characters like this disrupt the logic of the shared universes they exist in. No way would the good guys let this psycho run around loose. Oh, and I hate Mantis, too, but not as much as the four cited above. Also Moondragon, the post-Crisis Joker, and pretty much every X-Man created after Kitty Pryde (though I like most of the original New Mutants). Cei-U! I summon the Hall of Infamy! You're the Stan Lee clone, he hated kid sidekicks too. One day I'll have to contact you in a zoom , just us two, to explain to you the greatness of Thanos.
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Post by james on May 18, 2023 10:10:54 GMT -5
Have most of those that have posted hated these characters from the start or was it a matter of just growing up and your tastes changing? When I think about my list it was half forever and half after getting over the age of 30.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 18, 2023 10:20:43 GMT -5
Have most of those that have posted hated these characters from the start or was it a matter of just growing up and your tastes changing? When I think about my list it was half forever and half after getting over the age of 30. Interesting question. I think it's more about first impressions for me.
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Post by badwolf on May 18, 2023 10:23:26 GMT -5
Yes, a very unlikeable character. Peter Gillis made her somewhat sympathetic in The New Defenders, but then she killed them all!
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Post by Cei-U! on May 18, 2023 10:32:55 GMT -5
Have most of those that have posted hated these characters from the start or was it a matter of just growing up and your tastes changing? When I think about my list it was half forever and half after getting over the age of 30. Of the four characters I cited, I disliked the first three from the det-go. I didn't mind Punisher as an antagonist in those first Spidey appearances but they lost me when they gave him his own series. But then I didn't like Breaking Bad either so...
Cei-U! I summon the anti-hero antipathy!
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Post by tarkintino on May 18, 2023 10:40:09 GMT -5
ThanosBland Darkseid ripoff that has become Jim Starlin's Mary Sue and is completely unbeatable. Apparently the only reason why he is hasn't killed everything in the universe is because he keeps deciding not to. 100% this. 1000% yes. I've never found Wolverine appealing, other than his first appearance ( mild appeal). That's it. One of the original "oh, he's FREAKIN' AWESOME!" overbearing characters Marvel used to beat readers over the head in a ridiculous attempt to raise his importance beyond the purpose of the character. You're the Stan Lee clone, he hated kid sidekicks too. The great irony of Lee's hatred of kid sidekicks was that the decision to retcon Bucky as having died at the end of WW2 elevated him to the status of the tragic hero of Marvel, serving as one of the great arcs for the revived Captain America with his PTSD and manipulation by enemies with the image, replication or psychological abuse of Bucky. His Silver Age incarnation was a far better character and although Lee certainly contributed to retconned Bucky stories, he must have scratched his head at the fact Bucky became the flagship teen sidekick for Marvel, instead of allowing the character to fade away by not resurrecting him from the Golden Age.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 10:50:22 GMT -5
All of Warren Ellis' Gary Stus.
Before opening the thread, I couldn't think of any character that I loathe, but that's mostly down to my poor memory. Reading the thread, there's a lot of good contenders. Superboy Prime for sure. Rage, yes. How does anybody even remember him without being prompted? His mention also makes Doctor Druid spring to mind.
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