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Post by tarkintino on May 27, 2023 13:15:37 GMT -5
I only liked Aquaman on Superfriends... otherwise, I have no use for him. Loved the second half of Aquaman's Silver/Bronze Age comics, thought he was interesting on Filmation's The Superman - Aquaman Hour of Adventure, enjoyed his 1986 miniseries, and enjoyed the DCEU interpretation. Its The Superfriends version that's low on my Aquaman list.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 27, 2023 23:34:59 GMT -5
I only liked Aquaman on Superfriends... otherwise, I have no use for him. Loved the second half of Aquaman's Silver/Bronze Age comics,This.
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Post by gryffin on May 31, 2023 11:51:17 GMT -5
No experience with Triathlon and little with Mantis...so no opinion on them. Oh man you've got some amazing comics to read! Steve Englehart's Silver Surfer is easily one of my favorite runs, and especially with Mantis. P.S. jester you too!
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Post by gryffin on May 31, 2023 12:02:58 GMT -5
Hey, don't blame the original for the rip-offs! Dick Grayson was allowed to grow into his own character in the mid - late 1960s, and break away from being the "boy wonder", as explored in several memorable issues of Teen Titans, Batman, Detective Comics and of curse, The New Teen Titans. As far as i'm concerned, Grayson's evolution is exactly the way to turn kid sidekick into self-aware adult not apeing his mentor. Ah, but I *do* blame the original. Robin was a stupid idea in 1940 and he/she is still a stupid idea in 2023. In case I didn't make myself clear, I f'ing hate every version of Robin including Nightwing. Doesn't mean I haven't enjoyed the bejabbers out of stories or whole series featuring Robin (I'm gaga over Teen Titans Go! and I thought I did right by Dick in Lash House) but if I had my druthers not a single costumed kid sidekick, past or present, would exist in the DCU.
Cei-U! And that goes for Bucky and Toro, too!
I have a memory of a Loeb/Sale Robin where he's trained by Batman and then beats the Mafia boss with his staff. It might have been Dark Victory. But I can't find it for sure. Anyway if anyone knows what I'm talking about, what's your take on that Robin?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 31, 2023 14:25:38 GMT -5
I'd agree with cody's comparison of Joker to Hannibal Lecter ruining the character. Harley getting turned into some amalgam of a emo hussy/sex symbol from her very "quaint" origins is nothing short of sin. Lobo is just DC's attempt at Wolverine as far as what I have read of him. He was quite popular in the 90's and I have a few of his mini series only one 3 or 4 issues story line in his ongoing that I remember liking. I think I have a few random FF issues with She-Thing. Not enough to actually form an opinion one way or another of the character. Lobo didn't start out that way, in Omega Men and was just a biker stereotype, in JLI; but, then the mini did well, in large part due to Simon Bisley's art (my opinion; but, suddenly everyone wanted him to produce work for them) and DC went nuts. Rather like SNL, where if a character or catch phrase gets a response, you will have it shoved down your throat for the next three years, on every show. I has been some time since I read Omega Men. By the time I found 90% of series in a dollar bin the issues hid appreances were already running high. I guess he didn't too much impress me in Omega Men. If I remember right he was a mercenary hired to kill the team? Either way he wasn't apparently the most impressionable thing in the series if his role is that forgettable to me.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 31, 2023 14:50:45 GMT -5
Lobo didn't start out that way, in Omega Men and was just a biker stereotype, in JLI; but, then the mini did well, in large part due to Simon Bisley's art (my opinion; but, suddenly everyone wanted him to produce work for them) and DC went nuts. Rather like SNL, where if a character or catch phrase gets a response, you will have it shoved down your throat for the next three years, on every show. I has been some time since I read Omega Men. By the time I found 90% of series in a dollar bin the issues hid appreances were already running high. I guess he didn't too much impress me in Omega Men. If I remember right he was a mercenary hired to kill the team? Either way he wasn't apparently the most impressionable thing in the series if his role is that forgettable to me. I had the issue where he debuted; but that was my only Omega Men. He captured one of them; but I forget the rest. Even in JLI, he wasn't as over-the-top as he became; cartoonish, yes, a brawling thug, yes, but not as extreme as he got in the minis and successive appearances. DC needed a Billy Jack analog to take him down a peg or two. They could have then revived The Losers title and make it the Born Losers..... (Robert Tessier with hair!)
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Post by Icctrombone on May 31, 2023 18:08:58 GMT -5
No experience with Triathlon and little with Mantis...so no opinion on them. Oh man you've got some amazing comics to read! Steve Englehart's Silver Surfer is easily one of my favorite runs, and especially with Mantis. P.S. jester you too! I have the first 130 issues or so of the V3 Silver Surfer run. A great series that brought back Adam Warlock and Thanos. Engelhart wrote the first 28 or so issues and it was really good.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 31, 2023 19:06:52 GMT -5
Oh man you've got some amazing comics to read! Steve Englehart's Silver Surfer is easily one of my favorite runs, and especially with Mantis. P.S. jester you too! I have the first 130 issues or so of the V3 Silver Surfer run. A great series that brought back Adam Warlock and Thanos. Engelhart wrote the first 28 or so issues and it was really good. I really liked the start of Englehart's run. He really shook things up without getting into "This Will Have To Be Retconned Later" territory. He even managed to make me like Mantis!
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Post by gryffin on May 31, 2023 20:10:01 GMT -5
Oh man you've got some amazing comics to read! Steve Englehart's Silver Surfer is easily one of my favorite runs, and especially with Mantis. P.S. jester you too! I have the first 130 issues or so of the V3 Silver Surfer run. A great series that brought back Adam Warlock and Thanos. Engelhart wrote the first 28 or so issues and it was really good. Oh my bad, I assumed too much. Glad you enjoyed SS as well. After SS, Mantis is in WCA for a bit and talks a lot about her son, but I still haven't read what that leads into. So I still have no idea who her son is haha.
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Post by gryffin on May 31, 2023 20:17:39 GMT -5
I have the first 130 issues or so of the V3 Silver Surfer run. A great series that brought back Adam Warlock and Thanos. Engelhart wrote the first 28 or so issues and it was really good. I really liked the start of Englehart's run. He really shook things up without getting into "This Will Have To Be Retconned Later" territory. He even managed to make me like Mantis! Agreed. One of the reasons I'm rereading SS in full is because different authors make quite a few changes to his time with Galactus. For example, how long was he herald; did he have a conscience or was it subdued by Galactus; did he lead Galactus to sentient worlds or only non-sentient worlds, or both; was Earth the first sentient world he brought Galactus to; does he remember destroying all of these worlds or was his mind wiped? These and other questions can be yours, too, to ponder in a reading of Silver Surfer. I do have an answer to one of those questions, at least by Lee's rules. In the letters section of issue 11, Lee says that Silver Surfer was herald for only a few years. That definitely changes depending on the author.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 1, 2023 4:32:33 GMT -5
I really liked the start of Englehart's run. He really shook things up without getting into "This Will Have To Be Retconned Later" territory. He even managed to make me like Mantis! Agreed. One of the reasons I'm rereading SS in full is because different authors make quite a few changes to his time with Galactus. For example, how long was he herald; did he have a conscience or was it subdued by Galactus; did he lead Galactus to sentient worlds or only non-sentient worlds, or both; was Earth the first sentient world he brought Galactus to; does he remember destroying all of these worlds or was his mind wiped? These and other questions can be yours, too, to ponder in a reading of Silver Surfer. I do have an answer to one of those questions, at least by Lee's rules. In the letters section of issue 11, Lee says that Silver Surfer was herald for only a few years. That definitely changes depending on the author. Yes, most of those questions are answered. I read the Emprye event that Marvel produced a few years ago and it features Mantis' grown up son as a leader of the Cotati. As for the Surfers conscience , he has to have had his morality " altered" by Galuctus. His origin story is about him sacrificing for people to continue to live. And if he was the herald for 2 years, that includes a lot of eating. I'm not sure if Galactus' eats every day , maybe someone has that answer.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 1, 2023 23:28:18 GMT -5
Agreed. One of the reasons I'm rereading SS in full is because different authors make quite a few changes to his time with Galactus. For example, how long was he herald; did he have a conscience or was it subdued by Galactus; did he lead Galactus to sentient worlds or only non-sentient worlds, or both; was Earth the first sentient world he brought Galactus to; does he remember destroying all of these worlds or was his mind wiped? These and other questions can be yours, too, to ponder in a reading of Silver Surfer. I do have an answer to one of those questions, at least by Lee's rules. In the letters section of issue 11, Lee says that Silver Surfer was herald for only a few years. That definitely changes depending on the author. Yes, most of those questions are answered. I read the Emprye event that Marvel produced a few years ago and it features Mantis' grown up son as a leader of the Cotati. As for the Surfers conscience , he has to have had his morality " altered" by Galuctus. His origin story is about him sacrificing for people to continue to live. And if he was the herald for 2 years, that includes a lot of eating. I'm not sure if Galactus' eats every day , maybe someone has that answer. Well, he noshes on a satellite or planetoid, every now and then, before consuming a whole world. You know...appetizers.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 2, 2023 19:03:47 GMT -5
Superman Green Lantern Aquaman Hulk For some that might be a Mt. Rushmore of excellence but for me, it is littered with characters who have never ever appealed to me. And for those seeking to suggest I am anti-green....Spectre and The Scorpion are two of my favourite characters every within all of comics, for different reasons. I've been seeing a lot of hate on Hal lately online, a lot of people think that he's a very boring character and given the fact that he was written like a do-as-you're-told buffoon by Denny O'Neil probably didn't help much (and it's kind of why I refuse to read Green Lantern/Green Arrow)
Aquaman has also been seen as joke for years no thanks in part to Seth McFarlane perpetuating the rumor that he "just talks to fish" and can't do much else. He's as strong as Superman (I mean you'd have to be in intense undersea water pressure) and has command of a large kingdom that encompasses most of the Earth. That being said, he was written kind of bland until Steve Skeates got ahold of him
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Post by beyonder1984 on Jul 4, 2023 19:18:58 GMT -5
Deadpool: Dated parody character which made a mockery of the medium yet made Marvel so much money. Dr. Druid: The cowardly, weaker, pathetic version of Dr. Strange. Superboy Prime: Incel vibes, and a mirror held up to fanboys. Amanda Waller: Too realistic: basically a DMV clerk who had power over the JLA/Suicide Squad.
Honorable mentions: Rage: Horribly written when he made his debut in 1990. Supreme Intelligence: An impersonal Boring Big Bad who kept coming back. Civil War Tony Stark and Reed Richards: 'nuff said Cyclops: Generally a d!ck.
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