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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 17, 2014 7:31:17 GMT -5
I guess that's why the X-men was cancelled.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 7:38:42 GMT -5
I guess that's why the X-men was cancelled. It is EXACTLY why they were cancelled, and probably one of the reasons that (at least in the beginning of his run) Claremont used the originals as little as possible, if I recall correctly. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 17, 2014 7:42:04 GMT -5
I guess that's why the X-men was cancelled. It is EXACTLY why they were cancelled, and probably one of the reasons that (at least in the beginning of his run) Claremont used the originals as little as possible, if I recall correctly. I haven't dove into the Adams run yet , how is it? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 7:45:37 GMT -5
It is EXACTLY why they were cancelled, and probably one of the reasons that (at least in the beginning of his run) Claremont used the originals as little as possible, if I recall correctly. I haven't dove into the Adams run yet , how is it? Not bad at all. I mean, it's still the Boring 5, but Roy wrote them as well as anyone could have at the time, and that Adams art makes everything okay. In fact, it makes it so pleasant and brilliant to just look at, you forget that you're reading about the Bore 5. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 17, 2014 7:48:13 GMT -5
:DThe Bore 5 , ha. Not bad.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 17, 2014 7:56:07 GMT -5
I guess that's why the X-men was cancelled. It is EXACTLY why they were cancelled, and probably one of the reasons that (at least in the beginning of his run) Claremont used the originals as little as possible, if I recall correctly. He would even have ditched Cyclops, except that Dave Cockrum had a nifty new design for his visor and wanted to use it. |
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Post by Paradox on Nov 17, 2014 8:35:00 GMT -5
Sentry
Take an idea from a DC character everyone hated (although, Priest assures me you were supposed to), Triumph, mix it in with a hokey fake backstory some people actually believed (that he was a long-lost Kirby character) and then try to place him as Marvel's Superman (who likes to rip people in half). The whole way through I kept thinking "Why should I care about this...shoddy construct?"
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Post by Paradox on Nov 17, 2014 8:41:46 GMT -5
Watchmen. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *runs screaming from hail of tomatoes*No, I can see that. I find the craft elements far more interesting than the story at this point. That's the one. The deep exploration of the comic form and comic tropes are far more what I love about Watchmen than the characters or the story themselves. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 17, 2014 8:47:58 GMT -5
No, I can see that. I find the craft elements far more interesting than the story at this point. That's the one. The deep exploration of the comic form and comic tropes are far more what I love about Watchmen than the characters or the story themselves. The characters were secondary and obvious doplegangers of known heroes of the big two. Comedian=Wolverine. Placing them in real world history Iwas at the time, the new thing. |
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Post by Paradox on Nov 17, 2014 9:19:42 GMT -5
Well, no, they were obvious and intentional dopplegangers of the "number three" of known heroes, Charlton. Is it some wisecrack I'm missing or did you not know that? Comedian=Peacemaker
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 17, 2014 9:28:47 GMT -5
As I recall, the story was even conceived without doppelgängers, using the actual Charlton heroes. DC then decided they wanted to use those heroes (the rights for which they had bought) for something else… and so Captain Atom became Dr. Manhattan, Blue Beetle Night Owl and so on.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 17, 2014 9:30:53 GMT -5
Hal Jordan, Ray Palmer, and Barry Allen...cut and paste early 60s middle American WHITE over-achiever, like a Elliot Ness or Jim Phelps. No personality differences from each other, at least Hawkman was aggressive, and Ralph was annoying.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 17, 2014 10:05:53 GMT -5
Well, no, they were obvious and intentional dopplegangers of the "number three" of known heroes, Charlton. Is it some wisecrack I'm missing or did you not know that? Comedian=Peacemaker Yes I knew that the original pitch was for the Charlton heroes but the archetypes of Batman, wolverine, and black canary were all present for the newer readers to recognize. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 17, 2014 10:15:49 GMT -5
I actually love all of the O5 X-Men, especially during the Simonson X-Factor run.
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Post by MWGallaher on Nov 17, 2014 10:28:52 GMT -5
The Scarlet Witch.
You could read her 1960's Avengers appearances all the way through and still have no idea what her powers were supposed to be. "Hex bolts" or something like that. Yawn. Her "personality" was defending her jackass brother and falling in love with a robot. When they finally noticed that no one knew what her powers were, someone came up with the vague and awkward "altering probability" description...I think I remember her actually using her power to make someone trip once! Yawn. Then, when "probability-altering" didn't really catch on, Englehart (I think) decides to make her a "real" witch, and that struck me as both obvious and desperate, and still hopelessly vague. (She also becomes the first mainstream superhero, so far as I'm aware, who proselytizes, converting her teenage neighbor to Wicca, which never sat well with me, nor would it have if she'd guided the teen to Islam, Christianity, Mormonism, Judaism, etc.).
I know lots of people seem to love this character, but since 1971, I've just never been able to feel anything more positive than utter disinterest.
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