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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:38:10 GMT -5
Does Byrne break everything that is NOT his original creation? I have his Namor, and while it's fun, it's not my preferred version of the character. By a long shot. I prefer Namor in Atlantis. Not the exact opposite. As I said, it was fun, but golden age, silver age, and Roy Thomas' Namor are the BEST Namor ever. He thought he was restoring them to the original state. He did that with the Fantastic Four and Superman. Usually he ignored any development that occurred in the meanwhile. Huh? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 18, 2014 16:41:24 GMT -5
I would never consider New Gods to be boring but it seems that no one can make it a success. That kinda puts a hole in the " it's all about the creators " theory.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 18, 2014 16:43:34 GMT -5
He thought he was restoring them to the original state. He did that with the Fantastic Four and Superman. Usually he ignored any development that occurred in the meanwhile. Huh? I'm saying that he tried to Go back to basics with the characters and bypass any changes since the original run. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:51:26 GMT -5
I'm saying that he tried to Go back to basics with the characters and bypass any changes since the original run. That's what I thought you meant, but I wasn't sure. Because that doesn't make ANY sense for what he did with Namor. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 18, 2014 16:55:30 GMT -5
I'm saying that he tried to Go back to basics with the characters and bypass any changes since the original run. That's what I thought you meant, but I wasn't sure. Because that doesn't make ANY sense for what he did with Namor. He didn't do that with Namor. He took Namor in another direction . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:59:18 GMT -5
That's what I thought you meant, but I wasn't sure. Because that doesn't make ANY sense for what he did with Namor. He didn't do that with Namor. He took Namor in another direction . Oh! Sorry, I got confused because my post was mainly about what he did to Namor. So, when you replied with that, I thought you meant that about Namor as well. He took Namor where *HE* wanted to take Namor. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just...well, it's not Namor in Atlantis. And I think we need more of that. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 18, 2014 17:07:18 GMT -5
I enjoyed the Namor series.
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 21, 2014 10:36:47 GMT -5
For boring, not quite rising to the I want their comics shoved down a memory hole level (Wolverine, Lobo, Green Arrow, Firestorm and Punisher) THANOS: (subplot: Icctrombone said Adam Strange was the most boring character imaginable in the Adam Strange thread, I said Thanos was, he threw a fit and here we are.) This third rate Darkseid ripoff has it all, except he can't ever really win. He comes up with plans to defeat himself in his moment of triumph. Why does he lose? Thanos bores Thanos! Not even the Super Hero Squad cartoon could raise my interest in the character. I assume he's the main villain of Avengers 3 & 4, so I'll be skipping those. He's the Jay Cutler of Marvel Super Villains. Frankly, the rest of cosmic Marvel's ultrapowerful superbeings not named Galactus or the Silver Surfer would make the list. So much power, so much pontificating. I can't believe some of these guys haven't been hired by corporate sibling ESPN. Please guys, SHUT THE HELL UP! NEW GODS NOT NAMED DARKSEID OR MR. MIRACLE: They're currently sucking the life out of the New52 Green Lantern titles. Can't we just ship them over to Marvel where they belong? I tend to like the heroes most people regard as boring these days, Silver Age whitebread that could hang out with me for a Coke after a round of golf. (Clark, Barry, Steve, Ray, Adam) Gotta agree I find Thanos boring aside from the fact he has two awesome daughters Gamora and Nebula. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 21, 2014 12:49:47 GMT -5
Just to add a thought about the New Gods, I read or heard somewhere that Neal Adams was going to do a project with those characters.
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 21, 2014 13:04:05 GMT -5
Red Tornado is still better than the Vision.
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Post by Crimebuster on Nov 21, 2014 13:37:20 GMT -5
Red Tornado is still better than the Vision. There is no universe in which this is true. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 14:46:45 GMT -5
Red Tornado is still better than the Vision. I read both JLA and Avengers pretty much on a equal basis during the late 60's to mid 70's and I had a hard time understanding Vision's role in the Avengers; and I do understand Red Tornado better because he generally have some emotions, feelings, and better understanding of the problem than the Vision ever was. I do like the Vision during his time with the Avengers; but Red Tornado is much more appealing than the Vision hands down. |
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 21, 2014 16:31:03 GMT -5
Red Tornado is still better than the Vision. I read both JLA and Avengers pretty much on a equal basis during the late 60's to mid 70's and I had a hard time understanding Vision's role in the Avengers; and I do understand Red Tornado better because he generally have some emotions, feelings, and better understanding of the problem than the Vision ever was. I do like the Vision during his time with the Avengers; but Red Tornado is much more appealing than the Vision hands down. Thing is Red Tornado has a better power set, better design, less convoluted origins so he isn't a Frankenstein abomination, doesn't look like a traffic light and DC didn't pretend he was representation for people of colour whilst pretending his wife was simply a white woman rather than actual representation for Romani people. The only Vision I will say is better than Red Tornado is Aarkus. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 16:44:29 GMT -5
I read both JLA and Avengers pretty much on a equal basis during the late 60's to mid 70's and I had a hard time understanding Vision's role in the Avengers; and I do understand Red Tornado better because he generally have some emotions, feelings, and better understanding of the problem than the Vision ever was. I do like the Vision during his time with the Avengers; but Red Tornado is much more appealing than the Vision hands down. Thing is Red Tornado has a better power set, better design, less convoluted origins so he isn't a Frankenstein abomination, doesn't look like a traffic light and DC didn't pretend he was representation for people of colour whilst pretending his wife was simply a white woman rather than actual representation for Romani people. The only Vision I will say is better than Red Tornado is Aarkus. Understood your points perfectly clear. |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Nov 21, 2014 17:27:55 GMT -5
I read both JLA and Avengers pretty much on a equal basis during the late 60's to mid 70's and I had a hard time understanding Vision's role in the Avengers; and I do understand Red Tornado better because he generally have some emotions, feelings, and better understanding of the problem than the Vision ever was. I do like the Vision during his time with the Avengers; but Red Tornado is much more appealing than the Vision hands down. Thing is Red Tornado has a better power set, His power set is wind, duplicated by the Flash and Superman's breath. The Vision had the density thing which was at least unique. all red costume with yellow lines and an arrow on his forehead. Ugly, ugly, even as a kid I knew it was ugly. less convoluted origins so he isn't a Frankenstein abomination, doesn't look like a traffic light not a traffic light, he looks more like the lines on a bright red highway. Convoluted origins? Android built on Earth 2 by evil scientist, who moves to Earth 1, and later finds out he has a "tornado alien" trapped inside his artificial body (despite his body being blown up every 10 or 12 issues)? Seems convoluted enough to me. and DC didn't pretend he was representation for people of colour whilst pretending his wife was simply a white woman rather than actual representation for Romani people. The only Vision I will say is better than Red Tornado is Aarkus. I'll grant you the last point. Also Red Tornado tried to have a normal-ish life with a wife and adopted daughter. Other than that, really dull. |
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