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Post by kirby101 on Sept 5, 2023 20:18:50 GMT -5
No, he was a decorated soldier with an honorable discharge. In the early 30s, the Nazis decided that a Jew could not be considered a veteran or honorably discharged. He was sent notice that he was no longer considered a veteran or having served. They also took the family store. Oh. Well, now I get it. Apologies if I was being slow. Very glad the family managed to get away then. I probably just didn't explain it clearly, no problem.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 6, 2023 1:40:20 GMT -5
Made a slight error in my teaser for the next installment. The next topic is the comic strip Tales of the Green Beret, which featured art from Joe Kubert (from 1965-1967), with writing credited to Robin Moore, the author of the novel The Green Berets (it was a novel, not non-fiction, as is often misunderstood). I had in my head that Sgt Barry Sadler, the writer and singer of the 1966 hit song, "The Ballad of the Green Berets" was the credited writer. I got it mixed up in my head, based on his later series of men's adventure novels, Casca, about a Roman soldier, cursed to live an immortal life until the Second Coming. Sadler was not involved in the comic strip.
I was not entirely wrong with saying a hit songwriter was involved, as it turns out. Robin Moore wrote some of the lyrics of the song, with Sadler, in exchange for half of the royalties. So, I had the wrong writer of "The Ballad of the Green Berets," in my head, but was partially correct that one of the writers was involved. Except, Robin Moore didn't write the strip, as I will cover.
ps I thought I had digital copies of reprints; but, it turns out I didn't. However, I got copies of the Sundays, from 1966 and 1967, then found someone who had a bunch of the strips displayed on Comicartfans, covering 1965-1967, though not complete dailies, just bits and pieces. However, there is enough there to discuss the story. Once I have looked through the material and can discuss a storyline, I will post the next entry.
In the course of looking for material on the strip, I came across an academic dissertation about "The Myth of the Green Berets," which cited the strip and the novel (and movie); but, also pointed me to some comics that use Green Berets in their stories, from the 60s. Her citations are not correct, in the case of some Charlton stories; but, I have located some more Vietnam stories, from Charlton's Fightin' Army, so I can broaden my look of their take on things. I had already had in mind a feature from Fightin' Marines, called "Shotgun Harker and Chicken." I have the complete run of it; but, at the same time as that feature appeared in Fightin' Marines, Fightin' Army had several Vietnam-based stories, alongside the classic WW2 feature, The Lonely War of Captain Willy Schultz, from Will Franz and Sam Glanzman.
Charlton is more in the gung ho realm of war comics, which is part of what made Willy Schultz stand out, since it is rather anti-war, in that it deals more in the horror of things, rather than glorifying it. Franz never served in the Army; but, he did his research and military history was a passion of his. Sam Glanzman was a veteran of the US Navy, in the South Pacific, aboard the USS Stevens. he wrote stories for DC based on those experiences, which he expanded into his two-volume memoir, A Sailor's Story. So, Sam saw quite a bit of naval combat and didn't shy away from the reality of things.
Tower's Fight The Enemy was one of the comics the dissertation pointed me towards and I have all of those, but had forgot that there are a couple of Vietnam stories, including a couple about the Green Berets.
I already have a small portion of material about the anti-war movement, including a comic that was prepared to help aid in education about the war, with the involvement of activist and politician Julian Bond. I also have both issues of Real War Stories, from Eclipse and Joyce Babner, which features some material, especially the first issue, which documents the anti-war movement. I have mixed feelings about that series, as there is some stuff in the second issue that is highly dubious, based on my own experiences in the military, at the time of publication, as it seemed a little too filtered through the lens of Vietnam, rather than the then-current military. However, I intend to only look at the anti-war movement stories, as it pertains to this subject. the series also included a story based on Marine General Smedley Butler's book (pamphlet, really) War Is A Racket, where he discusses his time in the Latin America incursions, dealing with New York Banking interests more than military or civilian affairs, in areas where US troops were occupying. Butler was a Medal of Honor recipient (twice) and one of the most decorated Marines in US history. His life makes for interesting reading and would make a great movie subject, though I expect that Pentagon involvement would be problematic.
Anyway, more to come, from a variety of sources and viewpoints.
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Post by foxley on Sept 6, 2023 3:02:43 GMT -5
Will you be looking at 'The Hunter' which ran in Our Fighting Forces #99-106? As far as I know, this was the only DC series set in the Vietnam War, and certainly the only one to run while the war was in progress.
I am curious about the series because I have been collecting the run of 'Hunter's Hellcats' which succeeded 'The Hunter' as the lead feature of OFF, and was actually a prequel series to 'The Hunter'. 'The Hunter' ends with the Hunter brothers Phil and Nick returning from Vietnam, and while they are recuperating in hospital, their father Ben starts telling them of his exploits leading a Garrison's Guerillas style group during WWII.
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 6, 2023 13:45:09 GMT -5
Another obscure one - will you be covering Tod Holton, Super Green Beret? Only two issues but they were oversized and had stories set in Vietnam and in other conflicts.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 6, 2023 22:50:15 GMT -5
Yes to Our Fighting Forces and Hunter and , yes, to Todd Holton, Super Green Beret!
How can you not include a comic with a kid who transforms into an adult Green Beret and goes to kill Commies in Southeast Asia> It's like a John Birch Society dream!
I also intend to look at a little curiosity, from the era, called Nguyen Charlie, by Corky Trinidad, which appeared in Stars & Stripes.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 9, 2023 22:01:38 GMT -5
So, in our first installment, we were in 1962, as Dell Comics published Jungle War Stories, featuring a trio of American advisors to the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam) Rangers. During this period, the US presence largely consisted of advisory teams, limited in scope and numbers, who trained ARVN and related forces in tactics and more modern equipment (though only as modern as WW2, in most cases). One of the programs during this period was the establishment of the Civilian Irregular defense Groups (CIDG) program, which sought to create regional defense forces, in the style of a militia, against Viet Cong insurgence. The program was mainly staffed with troops from the US Army Special Forces, aka The Green Berets. Special Forces was formed in 1952, in response to ideas put forth by people like gen Maxwell Taylor and others, who saw the need to train both guerrilla soldiers in Communist and other hostile countries, as well as training friendly nations in counter-insurgency (fighting guerrilla warriors). To that end, they looked at the model of the OSS "Jedburg" teams. The OSS, Office of Strategic Services, was the wartime American intelligence organization, which took an active role in intelligence gathering and analysis, as well as coordinating resistance activities, in conjunction with the British Special Operations Executive (SOE). The Jedburgs were small groups (usually 3 men) who were parachuted behind enemy lines and who would link up with resistance cells and help train and equip them, while also directing their activities. They maintained radio contact with Allied command, to coordinate their activities with Allied military strikes, such as the French Resistance sabotage activities, during the invasion of Normandy, designed to increase the chaos within the German forces and delay their response to the landings. One of the former members of this group was Col. Aaon Bank, who was picked to develop the concept into a new reality, for the US Army. The result was the establishment of the 10th Special Forces group, in Bad Tolz, Germany. This was soon followed by the 7th Special Forces Group, stationed at Ft Bragg, NC (now Ft Liberty) and the 5th Special Forces group, in Ft Campbell, Ky. The basic model of a Special Forces A-team was a 12 man platoon, with a captain commanding and a lieutenant as XO. Each man had a specialty, such as heavy weapons or communications, but the other members trained in that specialty, to overlap and be able to take over, if the specialist was incapacitated. Each team also carried a combat medic, with some of the best medical training of combat personnel...more advanced than your average Army medic or Navy corpsman. They were also language experts, able to converse with local populations in their own language. As part of their training mission, they also helped build infrastructure in deployed locations, such as schools or dams, help teach livestock care and farming techniques, like a military version of the Peace Corps. By the late 50s, articles started appearing about Special Forces, with special emphasis on the idea of them acting as builders of communities. This was heavily stage managed by the US Army and Department of Defense, as well as the White House, both under the Eisenhower Administration; and, especially, under the Kennedy Administration. John F Kennedy was a great admirer of the Special Forces concept, as it particularly fit within his strategies to build friendly nations against Communist insurgencies, through a combination of building military forces and civic projects, to help bolster support for friendly governments within their nation. "Winning hearts and minds," as it was known. Kennedy attended a demonstration at Ft Bragg, at the Special Warfare Center and was greatly impressed, singing the praises of the Green Berets to the press. In accordance with that trip, he signed an Executive Order which authorized the wearing of the distinct headgear, at all times, for Special Forces. Prior to that, the commander of Ft Bragg had issued an order outlawing it on the base, as unauthorized headgear despite Special Forces wearing the beret, since their inception (based largely on members training at the NATO Reconnaissance School and the wearing of a green beret by the Royal Marine commandos, of WW2). There had been a bit of a bitter rivalry between Special Forces and the Regular Army (or "The Legs," as the Green Berets used to call RA officers and soldiers, in contrast to Airborne, Rangers and Special Forces). Special Forces would wear the beret when deployed, but not when in garrison, on the base. now they could wear it everywhere and they did. When Kennedy was assassinated, it was specifically requested that Special Forces soldiers make up part of the honor guard, for his state funeral. One of those members, Command Sergeant Major Francis J Ruddy, in a spontaneous gesture, laid his beret at the grave of the president. From that time on, a beret remained at the graveside of the president). In 1962, a writer and tv broadcaster, Robin Moore, wanted to write about the Green Berets. He had a unique "in" to getting his wish; he was a classmate, at Harvard University, of Robert Kennedy. Through contact with Kennedy, he was hooked up with Gen Willaim P Yarborough, who felt he had to experience their training, before he could write about them. To that end, he spent the next year, going through the US Army Airborne School, at Ft Benning, then through the Special Forces training course, at Ft Bragg. He then deployed with the 5th Special Forces Group, to Vietnam, in 1963. he was allowed to accompany A-teams on their missions and ultimately wrote a fictionalized account of things he witnessed, in a novel, titled The Green Berets, published in 1965. During his time there, he witnessed the 5th Special Forces Group's work with the CIDG program, building fortified hamlets and training the local population to defend them against the VC. Reviews of the book nationally were largely dismissive of the idea as a stunt and labeled it as pro-military propaganda. Localized reviews were more positive, especially in more conservative areas; though, in the early 60s, support for the US mission in Vietnam was relatively high...or, at least not heavily tainted by the problems that would follow the escalation of the US presence. In 1963, the numbers were still relatively small; but, they were growing. The US Navy SEALs deployed, for the first time, in 1962 and the Australian Army Training Team arrived 5 months later. The ARVN forces were delivered a series of setbacks and unrest grew in the populace, as a Buddhist uprising broke out, which was heavily attacked by government forces. In October of 1963, the administration actually announced the plan withdrawal of 1000 troops. However, in November, President Ngo Dinh Diem was overthrown in a coup, by senior army officers, and assassinated, along with his brother (who was part of the government). This led to increasing instability in the Republic of Vietnam government. The US found itself caught in the middle, not outright supporting the coup, but not acting to quash it. 20 days later, President John F Kennedy is assassinated and Vice President Lyndon Johnson is sworn in as President. That December, the CIA launches Operations Plan 34A, which entails greater military and covert action directly against North Vietnam,. Here begins offensive operations within North Vietnam, including raids by Navy SEALs and Special Forces team, inclduing the new Special Operations Group, a CIA-controlled group of Special Forces operators, who carry out reconnaissance, prisoner snatches, sabotage, and downed air crew rescue, deep in NVA territory. After press revelations about SOG, they are redesignated Studies and Observation Group, to throw journalists off the scent of their covert missions. The Green Berets proved to be a bestseller and on its heels came a hit pop song, "The Ballad of the Green Berets," by Staff Sgt Barry Sadler, a medic with the 7th Special Forces Group, with some lyrics from Robin Moore. The dual popularity of the novel and the song helped make folk heroes of The Green Berets, making them mythical soldiers, compared to the frontier fighters of the revolution, like the sharpshooters who fought with Gen Daniel Morgan, or Roger's rangers, during the French & Indian War. The Special Forces emblem consists of crossed arrows, signifying a legacy to those frontier fighters, as well as a commando dagger, to link them to the Rangers, OSS Jedburg teams and commandos of WW2 (especial the First Special Services Brigade, aka The Devil's brigae or Black Devils Brigade, a combined unit of Americans and canadian, who fought in Italy). Their motto is emblazoned on it: "De Opresso Liber"...."To Liberate the oppressed." It was this new found popularity that led to a comic strip adaptation of Moore's novel, credited to Moore, as writer and featuring art from Joe Kubert. This initial batch of strips, published by NEA (Newspaper Enterprise Association), was a limited 12 week series, with an introductory group of strips about the training, capabilities and mission of the Green Berets, with emphasis on the idea of them as developing civic projects as well as teaching resistance groups to fight against repressive regimes (meaning Communist, rather than the repressive regimes that were friendly to the US government, like the Republic of South Vietnam). Some papers ran the introductory strips, others started with the first storyline. The strip wasn't a direct adaptation, but a thematic one, using some elements of the novel in its storyline. The story begins with journalist Chris Tower, who is partying in New York. He gets word of the disappearance and death of a friend, Andy carter, in Southeast Asia. Tower wants to find out what happened and goes to the Pentagon, for answers. This ultimately leads to approval for him to accompany a Special Forces team to South Vietnam and observe their missions, while he searches for answers. After the 12 week cycle ended, the property found a new life as a syndicated comic strip, distributed by the Chicago Tribune Syndicate, with a new batch of introductory strips..... Then, off Chris Tower goes, to South Vietnam, in search of the killer(s) of Andy Carter. At the Pentagon, he learns that Andy Carter had been following a Special forces A-team, on their mission.... He was killed by a mysterious man, called The Cowboy, who works with the Viet Cong. Chris Tower is given approval to travel to Vietnam and links up with a Special Forces soldier, known as Champion, and Captain Chris Adams. Adams introduces him to a Frenchman, Henri Chaval, who is "wired in" about what is going on in Vietnam, behind the scenes. Chaval is also the mysterious Cowboy. Tower is soon targeted for elimination, just as his friend was, while Champion's team is right smack in Cowboy's area of operations, in Phan Chau. While there, Chris witnesses VC attacks on the local villages and sees innocents hurt by their bombing and killing.... The A-team gets information about VC insurgents and is led into an ambush, by Cowboy's forces. During a firefight, Chris manages to snap a photo of Cowboy.... The ambush was staged to capture Chris,to use him in exchange for NVA General Ton, who was captured by Special Forces. The photo is sent to military intelligence (write your own joke), who identify him as Henri Chaval. Chris is informed. They set their own trap to lure out Cowboy, with an arms convoy, escorted by Champion's team. they dog Cowboy and his forces and eventually, Cowboy and Chris meet face to face and Cowboy stages a Western gunfight.... Chris and Cowboy grapple and Chris shoots Cowboy, at point blank range.... Chris returns home, the mystery solved. He grows restless though, aching to be back where the action is, with Champion and his team and he goes back to Vietnam and find himself stumbling into Champion's mission, as he is seconded to Operation Falling Rain. Their mission is to lead a force of Montagnards (the indigenous mountain tribes, who are ethnically divergent from the main Vietnamese population, in both the North and South) into VC territory and capture political chief exfiltrate him to the South, for interrogation (read: torture and questioning). They go in disguised as montagnards, with a female guide. The political chief is captured an taken out via Skyhook, an operation where a helium target balloon is launched, tethered to a human being. A capture aircraft flies along, with a large clamp on its nose, aims for the tether and secures it in the clamp, yanking the target off the ground and into the air, trailing the aircraft. (also known as the Fulton Recovery System) Chris adventures with Special Forces find him captured by NVA spies, before being rescued, and conspiracies that go from east Germany to Vietnam (thus allowing the 10th group to be seen, as well as the 5th). The strip was actually written by Jerry Capp, brother of Lil Abner creator Al Capp. Art was by Joe Kubert, who was well versed in military stories, by this point, with Sgt Rock and others. Kubert continued working for DC, while also drawing the strip (with assistance, possibly including Russ Heath). Kubert wanted to keep the strip focused on the adventure elements and avoid outright politics, though the strip is very pro-US involvement in Southeast Asia. General public opinion was mostly in the same camp. However, Jerry Capp kept adding political elements to the scripts, and Kubert would excise them and focus on the adventure, though he couldn't get rid of every political element. This constant battle finally wore him out and he left the strip, after 2 years, in 1967. By this point, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident has deepened US involvement in the war and President Johnson has ordered the bombing of North Vietnam, via Operation Rolling Thunder. The US Marines are deployed to Da Nang and the VC plant a bomb at the US Embassy, in Saigon. the Marine forces are expanded and Army combat troops arrive in Vietnam, as do Australian troops. The US Air Force begins the Arclight missions, B-52 strategic bombers unleashing massive bombing raids on North Vietnamese targets. New Zealand and Republic of Korea troops join the US and Australian forces. In October of 1965, an international day of protest occurs, launching the start of the student anti-war movement, after the founding of the National Coordinating Committee to End the War in Vietnam. the 1st cavalry, now designated Aircav, arrives in Vietnam, deploying a new strategy of helicopter airlifted troops deep into enemy territory and attacking in force, resupply the troops by air. Their first test is in the Central Highlands, at the Battle of the Ia Drang Valley, the first major engagement between the US Army and the NVA. The mystique of the Green Berets crumbles, when a CIDG defensive base is overrun by the VC, in the A Shau Valley, near the border with Laos. 10 Special Forces troops and 270 South Vietnamese battle against a large enemy force and it emphasizes the need for mobile reaction forces to reinforce the CIDG hamlets. Buddhist protesters in South Vietnam begin to immolate themselves (dousing themselves in gasoline and setting themselves on fire) in protest of the corrupt South Vietnamese government and the war. Campus and street protest grow in the US. In the Battle of Long Tan, Australian and New Zealand forces hold off a numerically superior force of NVA and VC for 3 hours, until reinforcements arrive via armored personnel carriers. The Australians suffer their heaviest casualties in a single day. Richard Nixon and other Republicans begin publicly criticizing the Johnson Administration's conduct of the war, as they begin building their campaign for the 1968 election. Popularity of the war is declining and the country is in turmoil, as protestors clash with police and "hawks," those who support the war. US and Allied troops are regularly engaging in combat operations with the NVA and VC. This was not the atmosphere to support an adventure strip set in the middle of a controversial war. As it was, adventure strips were on the decline and were being carried in fewer papers. Thsi created competition for space by those strips and less controversial ones, like Steve Roper & Mike Nomad or Secret Agent Corrigan won out. After Kubert's departure, John Celardo took over the regular art duties, but the strip was past its peak and it was discontinued within 6 months. Dell Comics published comic book reprints of the series, across 5 issues.... (issue 5 was a reprint of the first issue) Meanwhile, the novel was optioned for a film, by Columbia pictures, but could not get a script approved by the US Army, to ensure their cooperation. In 1966, John Wayne made a tour of Vietnam and wanted to produce a film about Special Forces operations in Vietnam. This secured Army cooperation and Warner-Seven Arts as the production studio. Wayne got tremendous cooperation, after the Army approved the script and filming began at Ft Benning, standing in for Vietnam. The film features a journalist, George Beckwith (David Janssen), who is antagonistic about US involvement in Vietnam, who accompanies a Special Forces team, commanded by Col Kirby (Wayne), whose members include Sgt Peterson, The Scrounger (Jim Hutton), Sgt Muldoon (Aldo Ray) and Doc McGee (Raymond St Jacques). They go out to Special Forces A-Camp 29 (Two-Niner) Savoy, which is facing heavy VC activity. They strengthen the camp and work to try to gain support from the local village chief, by providing medical aid to his granddaughter, after she is wounded by a punji stick (a sharpened bamboo stake, dipped in feces). The camp is attacked an overrun by the VC, in a terrifying night attack and the team and civilians are forced to evacuate, before a C-47 magic Dragon gunship unlaods on the VC with 20 mm Gatling Guns. In the thrid act, Wayne and his team go into the North to kidnap an NVA general and bring him out, via Skyhook. The third act mission, also used in the comic strip, was based on a chapter in the novel, about such a raid, which was criticized by the Army, though Moore claimed it was based on fact. If any movie can be said to be pro-war, it is this one. the film was shot in 1967 and released in June of 1968 (after the Tet Offensive). it proved controversial from the start, especially with a pro-war stance, in light of the events of the Tet Offensive, which gave fuel to the anti-war movement and even had public figures like Walter Cronkite openly voicing doubts about the government's handling of the war. The war became central to the 1968 election (which was tumultuous) and President Johnson chose not to seek re-election, after initial polling proved negative. Instead, Richard Nixon, as the Republican candidate, faced Vice President Hubert Humphrey (and Alabama governor George Wallace, as an independent) and Nixon won election and his administration took office, promising to increase pressure on North Vietnam. In terms of an adventure strip, Tales of the Green Beret is an exciting series, showcasing Joe Kurbert's moody and expressive art, and his flair for combat scenes. The exotic locale is the stuff of past classics, like Terry & the Pirates and the Phantom. The initial storyline, with Cowboy and the subsequent prisoner snatch mission, are quite exciting. A later storyline gets more political and doesn't have the same flair, even if it has greater intrigue. Tales of the Green Beret ends up being a sort of novelty, a pro-war adventure strip, with an artist who tried to tone down the hawkish scripts and concentrate on the adventure. One thing is certain, the Robin Moore novel spawned increased interest in the Green Berets and soon other comic book publishers were doing their own stories with Green Beret characters. most came out around 1966-67, so we will stay in this arena, for a bit. Next time, we look at a pair of stories from Tower Comics, the company that gave fans the spy-meets-superhero comic, The THUNDER Agents.
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Post by foxley on Sept 10, 2023 1:54:58 GMT -5
And don't forget the final scene of the movie where John Wayne stands on the east coat of Vietnam, watching the sun set into the sea!
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 10, 2023 13:40:43 GMT -5
And don't forget the final scene of the movie where John Wayne stands on the east coat of Vietnam, watching the sun set into the sea! Yeah, I was going to mention that, but left it out. Then there is Mike Henry's death, where he first kills about 4 or 5 guys, including impaling one on the broken branch of a tree, before succumbing to his wounds. Add to that the very Occidental-looking VC, during the attack sequence (American stuntmen) and you get some real humdingers. The film uses the basic tactic of the pro-war groups of sending the message that "If you weren't there, you don't understand." Beckwith makes very valid criticisms of the South Vietnamese government, which sets of Sgt Muldoon on a rant about Communist conspiracies to dominate the world.... Within the propaganda are some valid points, just as Beckwith makes valid points. However, only Beckwith changes his viewpoint, as he goes to Vietnam with Col Kirby's team and meets the little granddaughter and sees her receive medical treatment from Doc McGee. Then, he accompanies Kirby and his men on a mission to the chief's village, to bring them into the camp, only to find that the VC got there first and slaughtered everyone, including the little girl, who he helps bury. The problem with all of that is many journalists went to Vietnam and captured photos of suspected VC being shot in the head, a government that repressed Buddhist protests, a corrupt government, an corrupt Vietnamese military leaders. Many came away with the view that the people away from the cities (especially away from Saigon), did not have much love for the Vietnamese government and that the VC spoke more to them than did outsiders who treated them like crap. I came across an academic dissertation about the "Myth of the Green Berets," which talks about the public perception of Special Forces as these mythical frontier fighters, an image stage managed by the Pentagon. She contrasts the public story of them winning hearts and minds and being language experts with actual Army memos reminding them that the Vietnamese population are to be treated with respect and they are there to support them. Several former Green Berets are quoted as saying that no one on their team spoke Vietnamese, beyond some rudimentary phrases and that their language training, before deploying "was a joke." A Special Forces medic is quoted as saying the men were openly contemptuous of the Vietnamese and especially their military counterparts and treated them like servants and the women, married or single, like "camp followers." Not exactly how you win "hearts and minds," if even just half true. The problem of Vietnam, from a military standpoint, is you have no real goal driving your strategy. In WW2, the goal was to retake occupied territory and push the Axis powers back to their home countries, then invade them and destroy their governments and replace them with more democratic institutions (at least, that was the publicly stated goal). Military strategy was built around stopping Axis advances, then launching a counter-offensive to push them back. In Europe, it started with checking the Afrika Corps, in North Africa, then use it as a staging ground for the invasion of Sicily and then Italy. meanwhile, forces were built up in England to launch a massive invasion of France and catch the Germans on threes sides, with the forces pushes eastward, from France, Northward from Italy and westward, from the USSR. In the Pacific, it was to establish bases in the South Pacific to then launch further invasions of Japanese territory and move their staging grounds closer and closer to liberate the Philippines and push the Japanese back to their home islands, for an eventual invasion of Japan. Meanwhile, in the China-Burma-India theater, it was to relieve pressure on India, then force the Japanese out of Burma and Indonesia, as well as to push them out of China. In Vietnam, they weren't trying to take the North, to reunite the country. They were basically propping up the southern government, while trying to stamp out an insurgency and stop NVA advances. By contrast, the French had tried to re-establish control of the country, after the Japanese surrender and the Viet Minh declared themselves independent. The French went in to re-establish their authority, but soon found they could only control the cities and found themselves crushed in a defeat, in the hinterlands, leading to massive embarrassment and loss of public support for maintaining the colony. Similar circumstances followed in Algeria and the French soon withdrew from their North African colonies. It basically was a preview for what the US and its allies would face, as the Vietnamese people saw them as yet another outsider trying to dominate them, like the Chinese and Japanese before. They wanted them out, then they would settle their own issues, which ended with the more organized and dedicated Communist government taking control of the entire country. For the peasants, life went on as usual, growing rice and paying tribute to some overlord, but at least they weren't being shelled and their men slaughtered as a warning. The cities quieted down and went back to business. Politically, it is a mess and I don't want to get into it, as many of those divisions laid the groundwork for our modern political divides. One thing is for sure, it was not their "Father's War." For the veterans, they often faced criticism from within the military and veterans organizations, as well as the anti-war movement. In some areas, Vietnam veterans were denied membership in the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Many Vietnam veterans faced problems in civilian life because they had "Other than honorable" discharges, stemming from petty charges, like insubordination. Such discharges were disproportionately given to minority soldiers and could affect their ability to get jobs. They were called "bad papers," and led to laws which prevent prospective employers from asking about the type of discharge an interviewee had from the military, only if they were discharged or still serving (or in the reserves). The Veterans Administration didn't do well by the Vietnam vets, any more than they had by Korean vets, for some years. What's worse, the mental health system in the VA was pitiful and Vietnam era vets had much higher recorded incidents of post-traumatic stress. The closest comparison was to Pacific Theater vets, who faced heavy combat with the Japanese, often to the death, over prolonged periods.. Even then, the Pacific forces were rotated off the line for periods of time, while in Vietnam, they were often in static areas, conducting the same operations again and again, with no real "front line" or rotation, other than a year's tour of duty. A lot of the mental health support that exists now, in the VA (which is still woefully under-funded and staffed) is a result of efforts by Vietnam veterans to get better care. Many veteran mental health support groups were established by Vietnam vets, outside the VA system. During my time in the Navy, during the Gulf War, I got to see how the US military learned its lessons from Vietnam. It wasn't so much strategic lessons as it was lessons in controlling the media narrative and in building public support for the military, regardless of feelings for the political administration. The whole "We Support Our Troops" movement was built around those lessons, to help maintain morale of troops and keep them from questioning their missions and their willingness to remain in the military. Troop morale has a big factor in the success of military operations, regardless of their motivation. Demoralized soldiers to do not liberate countries well, any more than they maintain the status quo. The victory celebrations were orchestrated to include Vietnam veterans and many commented they felt it was the first time they ever felt appreciated for serving their countries. Hearts and minds had far more to do with hearts and minds at home, than abroad. Even protest groups during the Gulf War and the War on Terror made it clear they were protesting the government's actions and not the soldiers who were deployed. To me, it felt like the country was trying to lay to rest a lot of guilt from the Vietnam era and the treatment of the veterans, real or imagined. When I get tot he 80s and early 90s comics, I will explore the evolution of the narrative of the Vietnam War, which some of that material reflects. Right now, the narrative reflects the administration's public statements about the war and the basic war comic template. In fact, the film the Green Berets is very much in a war movie template, with a WW2 mindset. They are brave soldiers out to liberate the people of Vietnam from the Communist invaders and occupiers, just as the Allies had liberate Europe and the Pacific, in WW2. That was the structure, even if the reality was far different. If you watch the film and similar war movies of the 60s, you can see the similarities: enemy atrocities, heroic commando teams, double-crossing villains, doubters who are won over, heroic pitched battles, sacrifice and duty and honor. Even in WW2, the reality was a bit messier.
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Post by foxley on Sept 10, 2023 16:54:59 GMT -5
Thanks for that intelligent and articulate piece of analysis, codystarbuck . Many of the issues you describe also apply to the Australian experience, with a few twists. As well as being seen as propping up the corrupt South Vietnamese regime, there was resentment that Australia was being used as a lackey by the US to fight it's war, especially as this was the first (and only) time conscripted Australian soldiers had been sent to fight on foreign soil. Additionally, there was lingering resentment in some quarters that we were for fighting for the US; who had been 'late' to WWII. I think the healing process started earlier in Australia, possibly because we were in Vietnam for a shorter period. The turning point was probably the official Welcome Home Parade in 1987 (a short description of which can be found here). However, even so, it is still a work in progress. Only this year, the New South Wales branch of the Returned & Services League of Australia officially apologised to Vietnam vets for the treatment they received from some members--primarily WWII vets--who, when they showed up to the clubs after returning from Vietnam, contemptuously told them that they hadn't been in a 'real' war. This treatment caused many vets to never return to the RSL clubs.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 10, 2023 17:49:23 GMT -5
Thanks for that intelligent and articulate piece of analysis, codystarbuck . Many of the issues you describe also apply to the Australian experience, with a few twists. As well as being seen as propping up the corrupt South Vietnamese regime, there was resentment that Australia was being used as a lackey by the US to fight it's war, especially as this was the first (and only) time conscripted Australian soldiers had been sent to fight on foreign. Additionally, there was lingering resentment in some quarters that we were for fighting for the US; who had been 'late' to WWII. I think the healing process started earlier in Australia, possibly because we were in Vietnam for a shorter period. The turning point was probably the official Welcome Home Parade in 1987 (a short description of which can be found here. However, even so, it is still a work in progress. Only this year, the New South Wales branch of the Returned & Services League of Australia officially apologised to Vietnam vets for the treatment they received from some members--primarily WWII vets--who, when they showed up to the clubs after returning from Vietnam, contemptuously told them that they hadn't been in a 'real' war. This treatment caused many vets to never return to the RSL clubs. Kind of similar to experiences at certain VFW and American Legion chapters. If not outright banning, there was a definite hostility. Things softened after a little distance from the war, especially in light of the Nixon shenanigans, in the early 70s. I never actually joined any of those groups; but, then, I'm not really a "joiner." I pretty much stick to Groucho Marx's philosophy of avoiding any organization that would have someone like me, as a member. I didn't even join the Supply Corps Association, despite a lot of lobbying at Supply Corps School and some pressure, on a temporary duty ship. I wasn't making the Navy a career, anyway; but I resent the idea of having to network to get ahead (which was required to advance to higher rank, in the Supply Corps, after lieutenant). If I can't advance on my own merits than to heck with them. Part of the reason I never had my own store, at Barnes & Noble, aside from not wanting the headaches. i was content to be the power behind the throne. Lot less politics involved, except when I was kind of the protector of the staff against a bad manager, which happened a couple of times. I intimidated my first boss, because I was a couple of years older; but vastly more experienced. He was 25 and had been a low level manager for Walmart, but had the maturity of a 14 year-old. He was quickly in over his head. I was 27 and had been a naval officer, running two divisions and assisting with a department made up of older sailors and had to take charge at 22. You either fall apart or you learn to get things done, using whatever you have. A later boss was out of control, but couldn't directly mess with me because I was the main person keeping the rest of the store focused on our real job, while she created chaos. Didn't help me advance; but, she couldn't fire me because every time I challenged her I could point to the company's rules and regulations, on paper. That was the first thing we learned in Supply Corp: find the rule that governs it and do what needs to be done, without violating it. That was kind of the difference between military training, as an officer, and the corporate path. The corporate types had their business degrees and internships; but mostly learned how to suck up to get ahead, until they exceeded their competence. Military officers get a lot of responsibility dumped on them, but quickly learn to use all of their resources to accomplish a mission, from the experienced non-coms and technical experts, to the people who can produce miracles, to how to play the system to get what you need. I learned to finagle budget appropriations to improve technology, which helped me craft requests for improvements at the store, by wording them in a Cost-Benefit relationship that gets right to the heart of better profits and bonuses, in corporate eyes. It also helped to not be intimidated by corporate higher ups, when they visited, so at least one manager was calm and took care of things, while they were in the store. I had Marine gunnery sergeants yelling in my face at 17.....a corporate regional manager was no big deal, especially one who was an ex-Army officer. We got along greatly.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 13, 2023 17:48:24 GMT -5
Last time, we discussed the emergence of the Green Berets as subjects of war comic adventures, starting with the syndicated newspaper strip, The Green Berets, credited to Robin Moore and drawn by Joe Kubert. As outlined in that installment, the Green berets had become folk heroes in the public mind, thanks to magazine articles that lauded their capabilities and drew ancestral lines with America's frontier fighters, like Roger's Rangers, as well as the commandos of World War 2. Moore, himself, did much to build that myth with his own novel, The Green Berets, based on two years training alongside and then going out into the field with Special Forces, in Vietnam, in 1963. The popularity of the novel and of similar magazine articles and other media features made the Green Berets synonymous with war heroes of WW2 and fabled bands of special units, like Merrill's Murauders in Burma, Carlsobn's Raiders in the Pacific, or The First Special Service Force, a joint US and Canadian brigade, known as the Black Devil's Brigade, by the Germans. Soon, the image of the Green Beret was everywhere that soldiers were seen, whether in novels, magazine articles, pop songs, and even children's toys and play gear. Child-sized green berets were sold as playsuits, alongside kid versions of military weapons. GI Joe got Green Beret accessories. Green Berets were featured on covers of mens adventure pulp magazines, alongside WW2 commandos, sadistic Nazi torturers, Asian killers, and scantily clad (or, rather, unclad) women. It it this focus that informs our next entry. Tower Comics started up in 1965, just as Robin Moore's novel became a bestseller. The company was started by Harry Shorten, a writer who started out working for Louis Silberkleit's Columbia Publications, writing pulp stories. from there, he followed Silberkleit into comic books, for MLJ, where he co-created the heroes The Shield and the Black Hood. Around this time, he and artist Al Fagaly started a comic strip, There Ought To Be A Law, which proved to be a hit an earned Shorten quite a bit of money. Shorten wanted to put the money to work for himself and decided to invest in publishing, starting Midwood and Leisure Books, publishers of cheap paperback pulp novels, following on the model of Beacon Books, with titles aimed squarely at men, with a stable of authors that included Donald Westlake, Robert Silverberg, Lawrence Block, Paul Rader and Richard E Geis. The stories ranged from semi-erotic romance fiction, to crime novels, to two-fisted adventure and even stories of lesbian lovers, which, though written for men, had a following with actual lesbian readers and even featured some of the first sympathetic portrayals of lesbians, with happy endings, rather than downward spiraling tragedies that permeated the genre. Shorten decided to extend his publishing into comic books, as Silberkleit had done and started Tower Comics, with books edited and packaged by Wally Wood and Samm Schwartz, who created Tippy Teen, Tower's answer to the Archie crowd. Wally Wood handled the headlining series The THUNDER Agents, a mix od superheroes and spies, as well as Undersea Agent, about a separate underwater adventurer. If I were to Hazard a guess, I would suspect that Wood packaged their lone war comic, Fight the Enemy. Wood was an ex-Merchant Marine and paratrooper, and had experience in war comics for EC and others. Wood only did one piece for Fight The Enemy, a short biographical segment. Mike Sekowsky was the standout artist, handling the recurring feature, Lucky-7, about the crew of a B-25 Mitchell bomber, in WW2. He also did the covers for all three issues published and one of the stories I will cover. Fight The Enemy is pretty standard war comic material, mostly in the style of the 1950s war comics, with a lot of gung ho heroic stuff. The covers alone tell you what you're in for..... That first issue cover is pure 50s war comic, where American soldier heroes fight off Red Chinese attackers, now replaced by an American soldier fighting off the VC. Inside the comic, we get the debut of Luck-7, as the plane is shot down during a mission in the Pacific, survives in a life raft and ends up prisoners of the Japanese. The plot, swiped from the movie Desperate Journey, with Errol Flynn and Ronald Reagan, has them surprise their guards, steal uniforms and capture a bomber and fly away to Allied lines. That is followed by a desert tale of WW2, which is pretty much the plot to the Humphrey Bogart movie, Sahara. There is a piece about a Korean War ace and another about a commando team which is a rip-off of The Guns of Navarone. Sense a pattern here? There is a secret agent feature, about Mike Manly (character, not the artist), with art from Dick Giordano, which is very much in the Mike Hammer, literary James Bond vein, complete with damsel in distress for some bondage and peril. Then, we get our first Vietnam story, title "Chain of Command." The story is told from the point of view of a PFC, who despairs that his platoon commander and sergeant are glory hounds, out to get them killed, as they deal with a VC attack, which includes a machine gun emplacement. In quick order, the platoon commander and sergeant are killed, leaving the corporal in command. He commands the PFC and the rest to support a bazooka man, while he tries to take out the machine gun position with grenades; but, he disappears and the machine gun is still active. The PFC, Striker, is the ranking private, as a Private First Class. he has to take command and tries to outflank the machine gun nest, where he encounters the corporal and succeeds is hurling grenades into the position, silencing the machine gun an ending the firefight. Striker and the corporal report the story to a Green beret captain, who commends them and says he will pass on commendations to their CO. Striker realizes that everyone has their place in the chain of command and may be called to lead. This is pure war comic cliche, the reluctant fighter who doesn't know why he is mixed up in things, who finds the bravery to take charge when his superiors go down and lead the charge against the enemy. It is pure propaganda, though there is a lesson of leadership in there, in a rather jingoistic fashion. This is the kind of stuff you got in 50s war movies, unless Sam Fuller was the director. The setting could have just as easily been Guadalcanal, with a Marine or Army platoon on patrol as an American platoon, in Vietnam. Generally speaking, bazookas were no longer used in Vietnam, replaced by the disposable LAW rocket, which was lighter and more portable and used to punch holes through ambush lines and hit suspected bunkers. Th GIs in Vietnam rarely encountered armor, until the Tet Offensive, in 1968, as Russian-made tanks rolled into Quang Tri province. Also, the weapons depicted are all of WW2 vintage, with the corporal carrying an M-3 "Grease Gun" submachine gun and Striker and others carrying the M1 Garand rifle. The M1 was last used in Korea and US soldiers in Vietnam carried the M-14, in the ear6 for the bulk of the war. Some M-3s were used, by support troops and some Special Forces soldiers, as were the Swedish K submachine gun and the Smith & Wesson-manufactured M-76, which was their copy of the Swedish K. Vietnamese troops were often armed with M-1 Carbines and M1 Garand rifles, as were the ROK soldiers (Republic of Korea, aka South Korea). The story is followed by another set at Iwo Jima, which shows an equal ignorance of the actual fighting and goes with standard cliches and stolen movie plots. This is standard fare stuff; nothing to differentiate it from the numerous war comics of the 50s and early 60s, from any publisher, aside from the art. Of the features, Lucky-7 is probably the most entertaining and Mike Manly is decent hardboiled action; but the rest is forgettable, aside from some decent art. One thing is clear is that the political viewpoint of the comic, and likely the company, is that the US military are heroes, regardless of the murky politics behind the wars, and are always brave and true, in the end. The enemy is always evil and violent, committing atrocities wherever he goes. I will skip ahead to issue 3, for a Mike Sekowsky tale of a draftee, to look at a topic of Vietnam: The Draft. The lead story is called "The Draftee" and it stars Green Beret Master Sgt Zack Fight (guess that makes him the Enemy, if you add a comma, after his name) who has to lead a patrol, with reluctant draftee Pvt Davis in tow. Davis has vocal in his wanting out of this war and that he didn't sign up for it. He is threatened with a court martial and welcomes it, if it gets him out of combat. However, the major isn't having it and sends him out on patrol. He hangs back and deserts the squad and goes looking for a village, but finds the people all dead, after a VC massacre.... He then finds himself facing VC soldiers and tries to surrender and ends up staked out on the ground, to be tortured. The patrol goes looking for him and finds the village and launches an attack to rescue him. They end up pinned down by a mortar and Davis is able to free himself and take a dead VC's MAT-49 submachine gun (a French weapon, left over from the previous war) He draws the attention of the mortar crew and they swing it around to hit his position and the patrol are able to hit the mortar team and neutralize the weapon. Davis is injured in the fight and carried home, along with several VC prisoners and is visited by M Sgt Fight, at the hospital, where he vows to recover and earn his green beret. This gets into fantasy, as well, with bits and pieces of reality. a post-WW2 draft continued through the 1960s and into the early 70s and was a major bone of contention in the anti-war movement, as a increased US military presence and combat operations meant that draftee soldiers were being sent to fight in Vietnam, against their will, in some cases. What made it an even bigger issue was that voting age was 21, until 1972, after the 26th Amendment to the US Constitution was ratified. Eligibility for Selective Service began with a man's 18th birthday. So, you could be drafted to fight in a war in which you had no vote for or against the political leaders waging said war. This was the major force behind the push for the 26th Amendment and why it succeeded, where things like the ERA Amendment did not. It was so decidedly one-sided that men could be drafted at age 18, yet could not vote in elections. The argument was that if they were old enough to fight and die for their country, they were old enough to vote in elections and determine the leadership of the country. Where we get into fantasy is a draftee soldier involved in a patrol led by Special Forces. Special Forces is all-volunteer, even during the 50s and 60s, just as Airborne and Rangers were, in WW2. they were elite units and you want the best of the best, not people assigned there, without regard to skills or motivation. Draftees were predominantly sent to regular infantry units and support specialties, depending on MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) and aptitude tests. To qualify for Special forces, you had to volunteer for training, pass the selection course, then undergo airborne training and Special Warfare School, which took about 6 months. Then more specialized training followed, for about another 6 months. A draft term was usually 2 years. By the time you have a draftee trained for Special Forces, he would be leaving the Army. Thus, you had to be a volunteer and such a position usually meant a longer term of enlistment, due to the training requirements. meanwhile, Special Forces carried out very specialized missions. At this stage of the war, they are training and advising ARVN military units and running the CIDG program, to create fortified hamlets to protect the peasants of the region from the VC and NVA. They did lead patrols, but they would consist of their A-team and their Vietnamese counterparts. They did not usually work with regular Army units. Groups like the Special Operations Group (later Studies and Observation Group) carried out deep penetration reconnaissance missions, prisoner snatches, commando attacks, aircrew rescue missions, and other intelligence gathering and special missions. They worked with highly skilled troops out of necessity. So, we are in a mix of fantasy and a distorted reality here; but, politically, we are still in the mode of supporting the war and the US mission. Communism is Evil and Evil must be stamped out. The VC are invaders, trying to subvert the democratic South. Except, the majority of the Viet Cong insurgents were southerners, who were fed up with the corruption of the Diehm government and outside interests dictating the course of their lives. They saw themselves as rebels, like the American colonists, standing up against outside oppression. Ho Chi Minh was a great admirer of the American Revolution; but, a rebuke by the US government, post WW2, turned him towards the Chinese and Soviets, though he had adopted Mao's strategies in fighting firth the Japanese, then the French. You can debate how much of that was ideology and how much was pragmatism, as Mao was a highly effective organizer and leader of guerrilla forces and proved more successful in fighting the Japanese than the Nationalists, under Chiang Kai-Shek. The Marine Raiders, under Evans Carlson, were modelled on Mao's troops, as Carlson had served as an observer of Mao's forces, in China, before the US entered WW2. We do see that the VC are treated as formidable fighters, with one story calling them born jungle fighters. At this stage, the ARVN had suffered several setbacks and the US had been involved in several engagements, including the major Battle of the Ia Drang Valley, where the US Army 1st Cavalry engaged with the NVA and VC, in an extended firefight, before the enemy forces withdrew. That is an element we have yet to see in any of these stories.. By this point, US military presence numbers in the neighborhood of 400,000 troops, including combat troops and they are actively engaged in fighting with both VC insurgents and NVA regulars. What's more, the Ia Drang fight was the baptism of fire for the Aircav concept, where helicopter-borne troops went into an area, engaged the North Vietnamese, resupplied by air and brought in their artillery support, as well. These 1966 and 1967 stories are still showing older Shawenee (as seen on the cover of issue #1) and Choctaw helicopters, rather than the newer and more versatile UH1H Iroquois helicopters, better known as the "Huey." the nickname comes from their original Army designation, HU-1 (for Helicopter, utility) , or Huey. As is the Army's want, they versed things and put the Utility part at the beginning and it became the UH-1, with the H model being a later variation on the original design. The Shawnee was retired, by 1967. The Choctaw was famous for appearing in a Time-Life essay and continued in Army, Navy and Marine Corps service into the dawn of the 70s. We now turn to issue #2 and the reason I saved it for last is it features a story about Special Forces, specifically; and, it features art by prolific paperback cover illustrator Boris Vallejo. Right from the start, we know we are in propaganda territory, right up there with the John Wayne movie. The second page goes even further, calling the Green Berets "super soldiers." If Captain America existed, he'd be a Green Beret! After the intro, we see an American truck convoy hit by the VC, who had knowledge of its intended route. A Special Forces A-team is tasked to locate a suspected VC radio transmitter and wipe it out. Intelligence believes that the transmitter is operating in the vicinity of an old Buddhist temple and the team make for the ruins. They arrive just before dark, but the VC also move into the area. the sergeant and another man move in to check out the ruins, when they are alerted to the VC. The sarge orders them to spread out and unload on the VC and make them think they are a much bigger force. The plan works and the VC withdraw into the jungle. The sarge knows that the VC usually has artillery support and his sidekick, Lucky, carries an American flag. he has Lucky place it on top of the temple, to draw the attention of the artillery spotters. They then withdraw and sucker the VC into attacking the position, while the artillery unload on the same target, thus killing their own men. The Green Berets then unload with their own weapons. They take prisoners and one of them says the transmitter is on a river barge and they move out to locate it. They find its location and take out a sentry, with stealth and a knife to the chest (actually, they probably go for the back of the neck, near the base of the skull or under the jaw, on the side). They then split the team, with part staying to watch the prisoners and the other half assaulting the barge.... the fight on the barge is tooth and nail and Lucky abandons his post with the prisoners and goes to lend a hand, turning the tide. They take control of the barge and fly Lucky's flag, to identify themselves as Friendlies, as they come into an American sector, on the river. This is probably the closest thing to an actual Special Forces mission we have seen so far, aside from basic patrols. Special Forces teams would carry out deep penetration missions to neutralize enemy observation posts and communications centers, like a sampan operating along the Mekong River, though a river-specific target would likely be handled by the Navy SEALs and riverine units, in a swift boat attack or insertion. The action is fanciful and typical of drama; but not completely out of possibility. The idea of the VC being supported by artillery is likely in relation to pitched battles like the Ia Drang, where NVA artillery was positioned to support the attacking NVA (more correctly called the PAVN, People's Army of Vietnam). Despite seeing some M-16s in the Mike Sekowsky story, in issue #3, we again see WW2-era weaponry, particularly the M-1 Thompson Submachine Gun. The Thompson was a heavy weapon and was not well suited to the jungle, despite the punch of the bullet. M-3s would be less accurate, but lighter in weight. If a soldier was going to carry that kind of weight, he'd opt for an M-14, with greater range and firepower. Soldiers in Vietnam preferred the M-14s punch and reliability, though the weight made them tiresome on long patrols. The M-16 was far lighter; but, was also lighter in caliber and stopping power. M-14 .308 rounds would punch through jungle foliage and bodies equally, while the M-16s .223 round might not stop a man, even at close range. The rounds were supposed to stumble to create greater impact when they hit, but substandard ammo and problems with propellants caused major issue with the M-16, in Vietnam. Added to this was that the weapons required a lot of care and maintenance, which wasn't exactly the forte of regular Army soldiers, though it was standard doctrine in elite units and the Marines. Still, the M-16 required more maintenance than old standbys, like the M1 Garand and the M-14. As I say, by the time of these comics, the US was becoming deeply embroiled in the Vietnam War. By 1965, the VC controlled the rural areas of South Vietnam, much as the Viet Minh controlled them during the French efforts to reconquer the country. The PAVN began moving forces in to support them in pitched battles with US troops and had built up an infrastructure in the Central Highlands. The US militarydecided to test the effectiveness of the Air Assault doctrine and sent the 1st Cavalry (Airmobile) to engage the PAVN in pitched battle, while resupplying them via quickly created landing zones, with troops, ammunition and artillery, which was placed on optimal hills nearby, to rain in artillery fire. They also hedged their bets by using B-52 bombers as tactical support. the end result was an engagement between 1900 US and ARVN troops (plus 2 batteries of artillery, multiple helicopter units and 5 B-52 missions, who conducted 95 sorties) against 2500 PAVN, supported by .50 cal machine guns and mortars. The battle lasted 4 days, with numerous casualties and heavy fighting, including hand-to-hand combat. Helicopter medevac and resupply were tested under fire and greatly added to the US "victory", as did the immense firepower unleashed against the PAVN. In the end, the 1st Cavalry withdrew and the PAVN returned to the territory and continued their operations. The US military from that point on was engaged in outright combat with PAVN and VC forces, but mostly in the south. Bombing missions were sent against the north, which lacked air support; but was heavily armed with surface-to-air missiles and. These air defenses were unable to dent US bombing missions but did result in numbers of American pilots and aircrews being shotdown and killed or taken prisoner, including people like the late Senator John McCain, of Arizona. Fighting often took the form of US forces moving into an area and engaging the PAVN, then withdrawing after the battle and the PAVN returning later. Recon teams were sent in to locate supply lines, such as the infamous Ho Chi Minh Trail and call in airstrikes on supply movements. The PAVN moved supplies via primitive methods, such as bicycles, carts and animals, which made them much harder to spot, compared to vehicle convoys of the American Army. Also, the jungle canopy made spotting from the air next to impossible. The Vietnamese carved paths through the jungles and moved tons of supplies and weaponry southward, especially as they built up to the Tet Offensive, in 1968. With no clear strategy to end the war and an unstable friendly government, the US and its allies were being pulled deeper and deeper into what was being called a quagmire. At this point in time, the few comics that are addressing the war are sticking with standard plots that could be used in any war, while sticking to support for the US efforts as a battle against Communism. It is fair to say that the bulk of the major comic book publishers in the US, at the time of the war, could be seen as politically conservative. They saw their market as children and, after the nightmare of the 50s, they were sticking with that, not rocking the boat. The Comics Code had language that forced companies to present government authority in a positive light, upholding the authority of the government and its institutions, such as police and the justice system. That extended to the US military and pretty much foreign policy. Comic books weren't going to make political statements, especially about US involvement in foreign wars. They might depict a story around such things, as drama, but not as a message piece, except as outright propaganda, depending on the editor and publisher. The editors and creative personnel in comics, at the time, are mostly middle-aged men, many WW2 veterans or post-war military service (but not combat) and aren't out to challenge presidents or Congress and willingly joined an organization that prevents them from publishing such things (except Dell, who had the economic power to flip the CCA the bird and go their own route, coupled with a pretty inoffensive publishing line; and EC, who had been systematically targeted and gave up the fight to produce Mad, on newsstands and go after the Powers That Be). It is, therefore, unsurprising that the comic stories about Vietnam depict US troops as winning the fight and defending the populace from Communist aggression. However, some people outside of comic books saw things differently. Our next entry is a rather unique comic book, which took a very opposing viewpoint to the war.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 14, 2023 1:20:33 GMT -5
ps One thing I forgot to mention, in relation to the image of the Green Berets as super soldiers and frontier fighters was how pervasive that image became, to the point it altered tales of their antecedents. On of the forebears of US Army Special Forces was the First Special Service Force, mentioned above. This WW2 unit was built along the lines of the British commandos, with both Canadian and American soldiers. Their history began with a rather crackpot idea of staging a guerrilla force in Norway, to sabotage the German heavy water project. The idea was to parachute in the men and their equipment and they would create their own operating base and move with impunity across Norway. The reality was that dropping a large commando force into occupied territory would eb a logistical nightmare, even if they were able to insert the entire group, intact. The plan had a lot of political backing, which is why the team was formed, with top volunteers from the Canadian Armed Forces and the US Army. As part of the agreement, it was commanded by an American, Lt Colonel Robert Frederick, and seconded by a Canadian. Canada was responsible for paying its soldiers, but the US would house them, cover their training, and clothe, feed and equip them. The Canadians arrived in various battledress, based on former unit, while the US soldiers wore standard GI uniforms. Eventually, the whole force was equipped with US battledress and equipment and jointly trained in mountaineering techniques, skiing (especially cross-country, to Norwegian army standards)weapons, demolition, and small unit tactics. They had their own support group, who were highly trained, but dealt with non-combat activities, such as the mess, administrations and supply.
The David L Wolper-produced film, The Devil's Brigade, features a very fictionalized account of the unit, based on both the success of The Dirty Dozen and the prevailing image of US Army Special Forces. Publicity played up the ling between this force and the Green Berets, who took the crossed arrows of their emblem from the First Special Service Force emblem. In the film, they are eventually paraded in US Army Class-A uniforms, but with red berets. At no point did the unit wear a red beret as part of their uniform. Some of the Canadian reported wearing brown tam o'shanters, as part of Scottish units and some had the black beret of engineers. However, their headgear was standard US Army garrison caps. The red color would be a link to airborne; but, the US Army didn't adopt the maroon para beret until the 1980s. The choice of the beret was obviously to link the force, in the film, with the idea of them being the fathers of the Green Berets.
Within the comic book stories of this period, we see the beret on soldiers mixed in with other Army units, with other soldiers wearing steel helmets and a few in the earlier style jungle hat (the cowboy style). Generally speaking, Special Forces tended to wear jungle hats on patrols and special operations and only wore their berets in garrison. I cannot say with authority if they wore the steel helmet in combat; but, their missions were usually in situations other than infantry engagements. They certainly wore them when they parachuted. The writers seem to labor under the idea that various soldiers attended Special Warfare School, then reported back to their units and trained men there. That didn't happen, as such. What did happen is that the Recondo School was formed and staffed with Special forces and Ranger instructors, who then trained men to form long range reconnaissance teams, for various Army units, including airborne and several infantry divisions. The units were inserted deep into enemy territory for days and weeks, tracking and reporting troop movements which would them be hit with air strikes or ambushes. They were usually inserted by helicopter and picked up by the same, often in a running firefight with the enemy. Casualties were high among such units. We haven't really seen that depicted, likely because it wasn't widely reported until late in the war and in history books and memoirs after the war. Similarly, the Navy SEALs were often mistaken for Marines, as in the book Bat-21, an account of the rescue mission that brought Lt Col Iceal Hambleton, an expert on Air Force electronic warfare, out of hostile territory, using favorite golf course holes as code for map directions and distances to get Hambleton to a safe extraction point, where Navy SEALS linked up with him. In the book, they are described as Marines but Navy histories correctly identified them as SEALs (a SEAL lieutenant, Thomas Norris and a Vietnamese combat swimmer, Nguyen Van Kiet). Norris was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during the mission and Nguyen the Navy Cross. Norris was badly wounded on a mission, 6 months later, that won another SEAL, Michael Thornton, the Medal of Honor. Norris was medically discharged from the Navy and joined the FBI, after first passing a physical test, despite his disabilities, which were waived upon his completion of the test. he served as an agent for 20 years and was a founding member of the FBI Hostage Rescue Team, the civilian equivalent to Delta Force, in domestic terror situations.
Navy SEALs were relatively unknown to the public, during and after Vietnam, until the 1980s. The concept of frogmen was discussed in some reference materials to the Navy, with better references mentioning the UDT teams, though very few ever remarked of the existence of Naval Special Warfare. In war comics, frogmen were usually generic Navy divers and more often depicted in WW2 settings or spy stories. We will eventually see a SEAL team depicted in Don Lomax's Vietnam Journal, in the early 90s.
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Post by foxley on Sept 14, 2023 3:12:08 GMT -5
Certainly the S.A.S. in Vietnam didn't wear berets on patrol. They wore what is known in the Australian Army as the 'giggle hat' (very similar to the American 'boonie hat). These had been in use since WWII, and still issued today, and are standard headgear for fighting in hot and humid conditions. These break up the outline of the human head. For the S.A.S., whose main duties included long-range patrols and insertion behind enemy lines, they had the advantage of not making a noise if hit by branch in the jungle, unlike a steel helmet which would ring and could give away your position. The giggle hat was standard across the army, and photos of Aussie soldiers in combat in Vietnam will show almost all of them in giggle hats, with a handful in slouch hats. Anyone wearing a beret is probably in aviation or armour. (Anyone in a red beret is an MP). Almost no one will be wearing a helmet.
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Post by zaku on Sept 14, 2023 4:01:25 GMT -5
The Comics Code had language that forced companies to present government authority in a positive light, upholding the authority of the government and its institutions, such as police and the justice system. That extended to the US military and pretty much foreign policy. Comic books weren't going to make political statements, especially about US involvement in foreign wars. They might depict a story around such things, as drama, but not as a message piece, except as outright propaganda, depending on the editor and publisher. The editors and creative personnel in comics, at the time, are mostly middle-aged men, many WW2 veterans or post-war military service (but not combat) and aren't out to challenge presidents or Congress and willingly joined an organization that prevents them from publishing such things (except Dell, who had the economic power to flip the CCA the bird and go their own route, coupled with a pretty inoffensive publishing line; and EC, who had been systematically targeted and gave up the fight to produce Mad, on newsstands and go after the Powers That Be). It is, therefore, unsurprising that the comic stories about Vietnam depict US troops as winning the fight and defending the populace from Communist aggression. However, some people outside of comic books saw things differently. Our next entry is a rather unique comic book, which took a very opposing viewpoint to the war. It's interesting how almost all these books have the CCA stamp and a lot of people in the stories die (well it's a war comic). It makes you wonder why other genres of comics were so reluctant to depict killing in such an explicit manner. We talked about it in the thread dedicated to western comics, where invariably the good guy, in stories from the same period, limited himself to hitting the guns out of the bad guys' hands with a well-aimed gunshot...
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 14, 2023 10:59:27 GMT -5
The Comics Code had language that forced companies to present government authority in a positive light, upholding the authority of the government and its institutions, such as police and the justice system. That extended to the US military and pretty much foreign policy. Comic books weren't going to make political statements, especially about US involvement in foreign wars. They might depict a story around such things, as drama, but not as a message piece, except as outright propaganda, depending on the editor and publisher. The editors and creative personnel in comics, at the time, are mostly middle-aged men, many WW2 veterans or post-war military service (but not combat) and aren't out to challenge presidents or Congress and willingly joined an organization that prevents them from publishing such things (except Dell, who had the economic power to flip the CCA the bird and go their own route, coupled with a pretty inoffensive publishing line; and EC, who had been systematically targeted and gave up the fight to produce Mad, on newsstands and go after the Powers That Be). It is, therefore, unsurprising that the comic stories about Vietnam depict US troops as winning the fight and defending the populace from Communist aggression. However, some people outside of comic books saw things differently. Our next entry is a rather unique comic book, which took a very opposing viewpoint to the war. It's interesting how almost all these books have the CCA stamp and a lot of people in the stories die (well it's a war comic). It makes you wonder why other genres of comics were so reluctant to depict killing in such an explicit manner. We talked about it in the thread dedicated to western comics, where invariably the good guy, in stories from the same period, limited himself to hitting the guns out of the bad guys' hands with a well-aimed gunshot... The Code only prohibited blood and gore; it did not prohibit fatalities. Certain editors self-censored to avoid issues about on-panel deaths, because of their intended or perceived audience, or the Code might say to lose one panel because it goes too far. War comics were as bloodless as westerns, post-Code and most often you didn't see the dead enemy lying on the ground. Wounds were never bloody messes and people didn't get their limbs blown off. The two examples of I can think of, with a servicemember missing a limb, were both stories about or inspired by Douglas Bader, the British pilot who had prosthetic legs (after a crash). One story was done for Treasure Chest of Fun and Fact, the Catholic magazine, distributed in Catholic schools. The other was at DC, as part of the OSS feature.
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