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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 5, 2023 11:00:47 GMT -5
I'd never paid it much attention before, but the very first comic from the company that became DC featured a Western cover. New Fun #1, February 1935 (on sale Jan 11, 1935). Cover art by Lyman Anderson, script by the Major himself, Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson. The story continues on the cover of issue #2.
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Post by robot1a on Oct 5, 2023 14:30:16 GMT -5
Space westerns are one of my most favorite genres, but should be celebrated in a separate contest. Is there even a west in space?? I guess, technically, no, the cardinal points don’t make sense in space. However, I’m referring to the mixing of the genres of western and outer space. You know, like, before the moon landing in ‘69, westerns were huge. As a kid, I’d always dress up like a cowboy for Halloween, but I actually didn’t like westerns as a young man. I changed my mind about westerns in college where a professor explained to me the beauty of the western. It’s a genre where the audience already knows the setting before the movie begins. We’re in the western United States in the years just after the civil war 1870-1890. Since we all know the time and place westerns happen, story tellers can just skip the whole part of establishing the setting and just get to the story itself. The West in the late 1800s was like no other time in history. I doubt that anything like it will happen again. It was a time of lawlessness. Or if there was a sheriff, it was like only one guy. If you’re faster on the draw than him, then it’s really no sheriff. Westerns fell in popularity after the moon landing. The frontier is no longer the American West, it’s now outer space. So, we get stories of aliens and weird worlds and it’s labeled sci-fi, but sometimes if we’re lucky, we get a space western. It’s a western story set in space with the lawlessness of the western genre set in the new frontier of space. Wildly popular shows like Firefly or The Mandolorian are space westerns. People might think they’re watching sci-fi, but those are westerns in space. That’s what I mean when I say space western. Sorry for the diatribe.
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Post by robot1a on Oct 5, 2023 14:41:32 GMT -5
Fair enough, robot1a, you are correct. I’ve changed mine. I got to say, I really do love me a good space western. I was going to make the category to be space westerns, but I didn’t want a debate on whether a series had enough western elements to be considered eligible and I didn’t think there were enough choices for people. However, now I think I made the category of westerns too big. So, next time I’ll do space westerns as the category. Or maybe someone will beat me to it. ;-)
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 5, 2023 14:44:27 GMT -5
It all makes sense, my friend. Otherwise we could go to the extreme of Zorro or The A-Team being included due to Western elements. I mean, some Judge Dredd stories have been set on a lunar colony (I forget its name), with some quasi-Western elements, but it’s not quite a Western. So I know what you mean. It’s a good theme.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 5, 2023 15:15:52 GMT -5
Is there even a west in space?? The West in the late 1800s was like no other time in history. I doubt that anything like it will happen again. It was a time of lawlessness. Or if there was a sheriff, it was like only one guy. If you’re faster on the draw than him, then it’s really no sheriff. Except that's super exaggerated and largely a construct of dime novels and then of Hollywood movies. I read a LOT about the history of the American west...to the extent that I at one time thought about doing a blog about it because there isn't really a good one on the web that I can find. So many things to do...so little time. The thing is, that it was far more dangerous to live in big cities like New York, Chicago, New Orleans, etc. than it was anywhere in the West. Gunfights were actually few and far between and the number of people killed by the likes of Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterson, etc. was almost universally a small fraction of what the dime novels and even early history books would want us to believe. The gunfight at the OK Corral, probably the quintessential example of the Old West gunfight, was in large part precipitated by new gun control laws in Tombstone. The gun control laws in towns like Dodge City, Wichita, Abilene, Oglala, and other cow-towns, make the gun control laws in todays big cities look like nothing.
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 5, 2023 15:26:47 GMT -5
I may have read one of those books, Slam_Bradley. I can’t swear to it, but it may have been a book called “What History Got Wrong”. One passage mentioned how there were years where Victorian Britain saw more murders than the Wild West.
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Post by robot1a on Oct 5, 2023 17:05:52 GMT -5
Would you say cities were more dangerous than the Wild West on a per capita basis? And it seems like violence was done with impunity in the west. Earp wasn’t convicted of murder. After, Virgil was shot again in retaliation, allegedly by Ike Clanton, who was acquitted. Is that not lawlessness?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 5, 2023 18:34:54 GMT -5
Would you say cities were more dangerous than the Wild West on a per capita basis? And it seems like violence was done with impunity in the west. Earp wasn’t convicted of murder. After, Virgil was shot again in retaliation, allegedly by Ike Clanton, who was acquitted. Is that not lawlessness? This should probably, maybe be moved to another thread, but... The issue with trying to compare per capita crime rates is that if you have one murder in a town of 1,000 people (Dodge City, Kansas in 1880) the rate per 100,000 population is through the roof compared to hundreds in New York City with a population of 2 million (1.16 million if you just consider Manhattan). Earp, as best I can tell, never killed anyone when he wasn't a lawman of some sort. Now that doesn't preclude it being murder, but it was absolutely under color of law. Did people get off on murder charges in the Old West? Yep. Do they today? OJ would say no, but most of us would say yes. Is that lawlessness? I'm not saying there weren't gunfights. There were. I'm not saying there weren't outlaws. There were. I'm simply saying that 150 years of mythologizing has amplified all that far out of proportion to what was actually happening at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 11:38:28 GMT -5
Four Color #301 (November 1950)
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Post by MDG on Oct 6, 2023 11:50:21 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 8, 2023 8:47:58 GMT -5
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Post by chaykinstevens on Oct 8, 2023 11:55:26 GMT -5
Jonny Quest #28
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Post by Jeddak on Oct 8, 2023 20:59:57 GMT -5
Cheyenne Kid #75, Nov. 1969, Sanho Kim cover
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Post by foxley on Oct 10, 2023 2:07:23 GMT -5
Slam_Bradley
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 10, 2023 3:43:35 GMT -5
tarkintino
EDIT: The cover is atmospheric and ominous, and it would have had me buying it.
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