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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 12, 2023 13:53:51 GMT -5
Quite so, but more garish!   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 11:12:35 GMT -5
I remember my source getting this 13-issue series in a large shipment of 'overstock' that was being liquidated at about 10c per book. So I got the set dirt cheap, at about 5% cover price so what did I have to lose? It would have been one of the first Spidey runs from the 90s that I dipped into. Bear in mind I had spent most of the 90s avoiding contemporary Spidey....hated McFarlane artwork then and still do.
I didn't exactly hate it but the reimagining came and went like a dose of Pepto Bismol. It made me wary of Ultimate Spider-Man, thinking it would be just another rehash, crikey, was I wrong there.....
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Post by zaku on Nov 1, 2023 15:56:32 GMT -5
I remember my source getting this 13-issue series in a large shipment of 'overstock' that was being liquidated at about 10c per book. So I got the set dirt cheap, at about 5% cover price so what did I have to lose? It would have been one of the first Spidey runs from the 90s that I dipped into. Bear in mind I had spent most of the 90s avoiding contemporary Spidey....hated McFarlane artwork then and still do.
I didn't exactly hate it but the reimagining came and went like a dose of Pepto Bismol. It made me wary of Ultimate Spider-Man, thinking it would be just another rehash, crikey, was I wrong there.....
This is an interesting question: why did Ultimate Spider-Man succeed where Chapter One (essentially?) failed? |
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Post by badwolf on Nov 1, 2023 16:18:11 GMT -5
I read the first TPB of Ultimate Spider-Man and thought it was awful.
Plus I still resent them calling any of these swipes "ultimate"...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 18:17:36 GMT -5
I read the first TPB of Ultimate Spider-Man and thought it was awful. Plus I still resent them calling any of these swipes "ultimate"...
Did considering it a 'swipe' sway your opinion?
I hopped on after issue 5 and it became the first book on my pull-list. I liked Bendis’s writing, Mark Bagley's artwork, and the updated, ultimate re-imagining of the classic Spider-Man mythos. It also sold very well so I guess it had more yays than nays...(McFarlane sold well too but the art made it unreadable for me)....
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Post by Confessor on Nov 2, 2023 2:14:10 GMT -5
This is an interesting question: why did Ultimate Spider-Man succeed where Chapter One (essentially?) failed? Because Chapter One was badly written, whereas Ultimate was actually pretty well written. Plus, Ultimate wasn't trying to replace or "fix" cherished vintage comics; it was its own alternate universe and therefore a blank slate. The two series are very different beasts. |
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Post by badwolf on Nov 2, 2023 12:52:18 GMT -5
I read the first TPB of Ultimate Spider-Man and thought it was awful. Plus I still resent them calling any of these swipes "ultimate"...
Did considering it a 'swipe' sway your opinion?
I hopped on after issue 5 and it became the first book on my pull-list. I liked Bendis’s writing, Mark Bagley's artwork, and the updated, ultimate re-imagining of the classic Spider-Man mythos. It also sold very well so I guess it had more yays than nays...(McFarlane sold well too but the art made it unreadable for me)....
I didn't like Bagley's art, and I don't think I liked the writing either. I find the whole concept insulting. "Let's take a story someone else wrote, 'improve it' and call it 'ultimate.'" The original is and always will be the ultimate. |
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 2, 2023 13:00:36 GMT -5
I may be with you on that, badwolf. I felt a sense of being left unfulfilled after reading the first two trades. I wanted to enjoy it. And I guess I didn’t like many changes, such as Green Goblin being a monster or whatever he was. |
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Post by zaku on Nov 2, 2023 13:47:02 GMT -5
I read the first TPB of Ultimate Spider-Man and thought it was awful. Plus I still resent them calling any of these swipes "ultimate"... Well, it's your (legitimate!) opinion. But it is a fact that it was a success with critics and readers, launched the Ultimate universe and even influenced the film and television versions of the character. 🙂 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 14:37:58 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen Chapter One collected in Hardcover, whereas Ultimate Spidey gets collected quite often. I'll be giving one of these to a lucky kid this Christmas.
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Post by badwolf on Nov 2, 2023 15:46:12 GMT -5
I read the first TPB of Ultimate Spider-Man and thought it was awful. Plus I still resent them calling any of these swipes "ultimate"... Well, it's your (legitimate!) opinion. But it is a fact that it was a success with critics and readers, launched the Ultimate universe and even influenced the film and television versions of the character. 🙂 If you mean the "MCU" Spider-Man... I don't like him either! |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 3, 2023 1:11:58 GMT -5
I like the MCU Spidey, the Sam Raimi version too, but neither they nor the Ultimate version are "my" web-spinner, the one created by Lee and Ditko and developed by Romita, Kane, Conway, Andru, Wein, et al. As for Byrne's Chapter One, I've never read it and doubt I ever will.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 8, 2023 8:06:24 GMT -5
I may be with you on that, badwolf . I felt a sense of being left unfulfilled after reading the first two trades. I wanted to enjoy it. And I guess I didn’t like many changes, such as Green Goblin being a monster or whatever he was. See, that's not what the Ultimate Universe was though. Chapter One was retelling Spider-Man. Ultimate was setting Spider-Man in 2000 (or whatever) instead of 1961. It was very different, on purpose. Peter is a web guy, not a photographer. He dates Kitty Pryde (which was a brilliant idea and worked really well. MJ learns his identity pretty early on, I think. I thought of it more like 2099.. an alternate universe/else worlds. It worked great until they got carried away. |
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 8, 2023 8:39:22 GMT -5
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Post by Duragizer on Nov 15, 2023 20:20:20 GMT -5
And tying in Spider-Man's origin with the same science accident that created Doctor Octopus was just a s**t idea. Won't lie, I like it. It's an idea I'd incorporate into my own retelling of Spidey's origin. But Byrne did nothing with it, so it amounts to nada. |
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