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Post by commond on Jun 15, 2024 16:52:45 GMT -5
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Post by commond on Jul 27, 2024 16:58:07 GMT -5
Thor #383–384, 386–400 (1987-1989)
I thought it would be appropriate to check out what Da Chief was working on when he took over as Editor-in-Chief. As we all know, DeFalco was an unabashed fan of Stan Lee & Jack Kirby, and Silver Age Marvel comics, and so he immediately sets out to pay homage to the Thor of the 1960s. That means that the overall tone of the book is somewhat regressive compared to work that Simonson had done on the book, but it is a loving tribute to the source material and wears its heart on its sleeve. DeFalco and Frenz had originally petitioned editor Ralph Macchio to take over Daredevil, and thank Christ they didn't get the job otherwise we would have never have gotten the flawed yet fascinating Ann Nocenti run with the amazing artwork by John Romita Jr and Al Williamson that was one of the reasons why yours truly became a comic book fan. Instead, we would have probably gotten a bunch of Silver Age Daredevil villains and Mike Murdock.
Marvel was actually in a funny place in 1987-89. You had a bunch of writers doing what I'd described as edgier, direct-market focused stories that pushed the line as far as Marvel was willing to go. That was the popular stuff. Then you had a core group of titles like Thor, Fantastic Four and The Avengers that were quintessential Marvel titles that were steadily losing their appeal. In part that was because it was very difficult to replace Walt Simonson, John Byrne and Roger Stern on those books, but nevertheless, the books weren't doing well and the future looked pretty bleak for the non-Mutant, non-Spider-Man books in the late 80s. On the surface, these DeFalco/Frenz comics are fairly mediocre. I feel that's especially true whenever they try to introduce new characters. However, every now and again you'll get an amazing Frenz spread showing the scale and grandeur of a Celestial. I tried asking myself whether this would have appealed to me if I'd pick up Thor as a kid. As it happened, Thor was a book I ignored even though I bought a ton of mediocre Fantastic Four and Avengers issues around this time. It's possible that I could have been hooked and picked up a bunch of back issues from secondhand book stores. That happened to me with the second Michelinie/Layton run on Iron Man. If there had been an entry point, it would have been the War of the Gods storyline that leads into issue #400. It takes a while to get cooking, but once it does, I couldn't help but get a little excited by the big splash pages and the Kirby homages. There were a lot of moving parts in the storyline and to DeFalco's credit he handled things fairly well.
Mostly, this run represented a different path for me. What if I hadn't picked up X-Men and Spider-Man on that fateful day in '88 and instead bought a Thor book and an issue of Captain America. Makes you wonder.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Jul 27, 2024 18:46:59 GMT -5
Well, I was kinda the What If? version of you, in that I got into Thor during this run, and also collected Captain America at the same time. Didn't collect X-Men, but loved Spidey, though.
I started with issue 408, but had grabbed a few earlier issues due to the Frenz art, as he had worked on ASM prior and I was into his style. Not sure exactly what hooked me with 408, it was the conclusion of a story arc, but it was probably the Kirby-inspired Frenz art. I had become a Silver Age Kirby fan around this time or a bit earlier, through Marvel Saga. I went back and got all the earlier DeFalco-Frenz issues. I loved the Celestial storyline, but yeah, it gets better after 400 imo
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Post by berkley on Jul 27, 2024 18:56:50 GMT -5
Well, I was kinda the What If? version of you, in that I got into Thor during this run, and also collected Captain America at the same time. Didn't collect X-Men, but loved Spidey, though. I started with issue 408, but had grabbed a few earlier issues due to the Frenz art, as he had worked on ASM prior and I was into his style. Not sure exactly what hooked me with 408, it was the conclusion of a story arc, but it was probably the Kirby-inspired Frenz art. I had become a Silver Age Kirby fan around this time or a bit earlier, through Marvel Saga. I went back and got all the earlier DeFalco-Frenz issues. I loved the Celestial storyline, but yeah, it gets better after 400 imo
Which issues contained the DeFalco-Frenz Celestials storyline? I don't think I ever heard about that one.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Jul 27, 2024 18:58:01 GMT -5
Well, I was kinda the What If? version of you, in that I got into Thor during this run, and also collected Captain America at the same time. Didn't collect X-Men, but loved Spidey, though. I started with issue 408, but had grabbed a few earlier issues due to the Frenz art, as he had worked on ASM prior and I was into his style. Not sure exactly what hooked me with 408, it was the conclusion of a story arc, but it was probably the Kirby-inspired Frenz art. I had become a Silver Age Kirby fan around this time or a bit earlier, through Marvel Saga. I went back and got all the earlier DeFalco-Frenz issues. I loved the Celestial storyline, but yeah, it gets better after 400 imo
Which issues contained the DeFalco-Frenz Celestials storyline? I don't think I ever heard about that one.
387-389, if my memory serves
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Post by berkley on Jul 27, 2024 19:10:39 GMT -5
Which issues contained the DeFalco-Frenz Celestials storyline? I don't think I ever heard about that one.
387-389, if my memory serves
Thanks, I'll look them up.
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Post by rich on Oct 2, 2024 10:04:19 GMT -5
Obviously much weaker than the 7 years that preceded... there were a few gems during this era, and as a child I loved Transformers from Marvel. The times I loved anything else from Marvel as a child during these years were few and far between, though. I had more fun reading the Batman comics. Some comics were decent, but most of my favourites got trashed before 94 had rolled around.
As an adult looking back... I see why Jim Lee and McFarlane made big splashes and I still have some fond memories there. Weapon X by BWS still shines brightly. John Romita Jr was fun on Daredevil and Punisher. Crikey, beyond that I'd have to do some research to jog my memory!!
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Post by commond on Oct 3, 2024 6:15:34 GMT -5
Conan the Barbarian #240-275 (1991-1993)
This Conan run represents Roy Thomas' return to the book after a nine year gap. It's rare that a writer as synonymous with a character as Roy was returns to a title after such a long interval. Naturally, expectations are high. I've expressed my disappointment with the early part of this run in the past. It takes a while to get used to the fact that it's not Bronze Age Conan. It looks like a 90s Marvel comic with covers from Image artists (and wannabe Image artists), awful fonts, garish Bullpen Bulletin pages, and 30th Anniversary images plastered in the barcode boxes. It's a Roy Thomas Conan book, which automatically makes it one of Marvel's better ongoing titles, but you get the sense it's fighting to stay relevant in the early 90s market place (a battle it ultimately loses.) Apparently, Roy does some solid tinkering with the Conan continuity, but that type of thing is lost on me. The most impressive thing about the run, in my eyes, is the growth and development of Mike Docherty as an artist. He never really has a consistent inker, but he starts off rough as guts and ends up being an excellent Conan artist by the end of the run. I particularly like his gorgeous double spreads in the later issues. The peak of the run is Conan's return to Cimmeria. The final few pages of Conan the Barbarian #258, where Conan discovers the fate of his village are amongst the most powerful images in the entire 275 issue run. The book's cancellation is announced ahead of time and it gets a big sendoff. I enjoyed the splash page in the final issue where Conan cries, "What do you mean I'm finished?" Roy is honest about the sales in the final issue, though he seems a tad hopeful when he continuously mentions that once upon a time people thought the X-Men were finished. The Thomas/Docherty run continues as a backup feature in Savage Sword of Conan, but it's sad to see a chunk of history crumble. That said, 275 issues is nothing to sneeze at, especially when Thomas wasn't sure if it would last past the first few issues. In fact, he wrote the first issue with the intent to hand it off to another writer with issue two, as he'd done with several other titles. His final run on the book is uneven, but worth reading as a coda to the Bronze Age stuff. I'm glad Roy was onboard to see the title through to its end.
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Post by rich on Oct 3, 2024 7:20:08 GMT -5
Conan the Barbarian #240-275 (1991-1993)This Conan run represents Roy Thomas' return to the book after a nine year gap. It's rare that a writer as synonymous with a character as Roy was returns to a title after such a long interval. Naturally, expectations are high. I've expressed my disappointment with the early part of this run in the past. It takes a while to get used to the fact that it's not Bronze Age Conan. It looks like a 90s Marvel comic with covers from Image artists (and wannabe Image artists), awful fonts, garish Bullpen Bulletin pages, and 30th Anniversary images plastered in the barcode boxes. It's a Roy Thomas Conan book, which automatically makes it one of Marvel's better ongoing titles, but you get the sense it's fighting to stay relevant in the early 90s market place (a battle it ultimately loses.) Apparently, Roy does some solid tinkering with the Conan continuity, but that type of thing is lost on me. The most impressive thing about the run, in my eyes, is the growth and development of Mike Docherty as an artist. He never really has a consistent inker, but he starts off rough as guts and ends up being an excellent Conan artist by the end of the run. I particularly like his gorgeous double spreads in the later issues. The peak of the run is Conan's return to Cimmeria. The final few pages of Conan the Barbarian #258, where Conan discovers the fate of his village are amongst the most powerful images in the entire 275 issue run. The book's cancellation is announced ahead of time and it gets a big sendoff. I enjoyed the splash page in the final issue where Conan cries, "What do you mean I'm finished?" Roy is honest about the sales in the final issue, though he seems a tad hopeful when he continuously mentions that once upon a time people thought the X-Men were finished. The Thomas/Docherty run continues as a backup feature in Savage Sword of Conan, but it's sad to see a chunk of history crumble. That said, 275 issues is nothing to sneeze at, especially when Thomas wasn't sure if it would last past the first few issues. In fact, he wrote the first issue with the intent to hand it off to another writer with issue two, as he'd done with several other titles. His final run on the book is uneven, but worth reading as a coda to the Bronze Age stuff. I'm glad Roy was onboard to see the title through to its end. The first issue of his return is priced as high as $700 on mycomicshop.com 🤯
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Post by rberman on Oct 3, 2024 19:26:43 GMT -5
Conan the Barbarian #240-275 (1991-1993)This Conan run represents Roy Thomas' return to the book after a nine year gap. It's rare that a writer as synonymous with a character as Roy was returns to a title after such a long interval. Naturally, expectations are high. I've expressed my disappointment with the early part of this run in the past. It takes a while to get used to the fact that it's not Bronze Age Conan. It looks like a 90s Marvel comic with covers from Image artists (and wannabe Image artists), awful fonts, garish Bullpen Bulletin pages, and 30th Anniversary images plastered in the barcode boxes. It's a Roy Thomas Conan book, which automatically makes it one of Marvel's better ongoing titles, but you get the sense it's fighting to stay relevant in the early 90s market place (a battle it ultimately loses.) Apparently, Roy does some solid tinkering with the Conan continuity, but that type of thing is lost on me. The most impressive thing about the run, in my eyes, is the growth and development of Mike Docherty as an artist. He never really has a consistent inker, but he starts off rough as guts and ends up being an excellent Conan artist by the end of the run. I have three Docherty pages which you can see here. They were an inventory story whose plot had evolved into the “Conan the Destroyer” film. The pages were eventually published as a Marvel Graphic Novel, “The Horn of Azoth.”
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Post by chaykinstevens on Oct 4, 2024 1:59:35 GMT -5
The first issue of his return is priced as high as $700 on mycomicshop.com 🤯 Some Todd McFarlane collectors have more money than taste.
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Post by rich on Oct 4, 2024 2:44:38 GMT -5
The first issue of his return is priced as high as $700 on mycomicshop.com 🤯 Some Todd McFarlane collectors have more money than taste. Ah, did he do the cover? I saw the next cover was done by Jim Lee.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Oct 4, 2024 14:16:21 GMT -5
Some Todd McFarlane collectors have more money than taste. Ah, did he do the cover? I saw the next cover was done by Jim Lee. Yes, it was pencilled by McFarlane and inked by Scott Williams.
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Post by commond on Nov 16, 2024 20:57:10 GMT -5
The Punisher #53-62 (1991-1992)
Mike Baron's Punisher run is such an odd thing. It mostly takes place outside of Marvel continuity and has little in the way of an ongoing narrative. It basically boils down to whatever crap Baron thinks up that month. For some reason, the editor struggles to hold onto a regular penciler despite the fact that the Punisher seems like it must have been a fairly lucrative gig, so you get wild extremes in the art from pre-Image guys like Whilce Portacio to veterans like Russ Heath. You also get a lot of issues by Baron's First Comics collaborators such as Bill Reinhold and Hugh Hayes. Personally, I think Reinhold is the best of the artists that Baron worked with, but none of them have lengthy runs. Baron's final run on the book begins with a bi-weekly storyline called The Final Days. It's a high octane storyline that feels like a make do on the last biweekly storyline that Baron produced where he caught a ton of flak. The Punisher once again gets his face sliced up by Jigsaw but this time there is no miraculous healing involved. Instead, the Punisher is forced to go into hiding as the Kingpin puts the screws on him. In order to save his bacon, the Punisher has to undergo plastic surgery. But he doesn't get surgery from any old surgeon. He gets surgery from an ex-doctor turned junkie prostitute. And she doesn't just fix his face, she turns him into a black man. It's so absurd that you can't help but go along for the ride. Apparently, it was the editor's idea and not Baron's, but what follows is a team up with Luke Cage where Baron gets assistance from Marc McLaurin to avoid making the book too offensive. Baron's focus is more on Frank having a new life and briefly flirting with giving up his vigilantism, but of course that lasts about as long as his melanin implants do. It's fairly mindless stuff, but sometimes I like to read mindless comics in the middle of reading serious books. The art for the bi-weekly story is by Baron's Nexus collaborator, Hugh Hayes. I thought Hayes was the third best penciler on the Nexus series behind Rude and Paul Smith. His artwork here is looser, but he does a good job of matching the energy of the script. It's an oddball end to an oddball run. Baron even kills off the Punisher's dog, Max, which caused an outcry among fans. I can't understand why Marvel was putting out such a random book for one of its cash cows, but that kind of adds to its charm. I'm fairly certain the window of opportunity for this Baron run was short. There was nothing really great about his run whatsoever, but he did a bunch of other Punisher side projects which I may or may not check out on a rainy day.
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