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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 22, 2023 14:09:08 GMT -5
3. THE KENTS, DC Comics, #1 (August 1997) - #12 (July 1998) By John Ostrander, Tim Truman, Tom Mandrake and Michael Bair Spun-off from MORE FUN COMICS #101 (Pa Kent, narrator) So how do you get away with getting DC to greenlight an epic Western generational maxiseries with no SF, fantasy, or superhero elements in the late 90's? John Ostrander does it by framing it as part of the history of Superman's adopted paternal line, the Kents. Originally, this was conceived as a spin-off of SUICIDE SQUAD, telling the story of Floyd "Deadshot" Lawton's family, but Paul Levitz suggested the change to the Kents, despite there being some skeletons in the family history. At the time this came out, I wasn't a fan of Westerns, neither comics, nor film, nor television, nor literature. While I can't credit this epic alone for making me a convert, it did open me to the potential breadth in the genre, and I would come to explore it in a lot more depth. I did, however, embrace this wholeheartedly at the time, and continue to appreciate it as a deeply engaging and serious work, woven richly with actual American history, and establishing a foundation for the family's commitment to the values it would imbue in its adopted son, justifying the "American Way" part of Superman's creed. great call! I love this series... didn't think of it at as a spin off, but yeah, it fits. My pick actually hasn't been on the list yet... so I wonder if it was disqualified for some reason, but..... 3. Spider-Girl (MC2s May 'Mayday' Parker) Spinning out of What If?... this spawned yet another future vision of Marvel... this one, unlike 2099, just a generation forward rather than a century. At a time when it seemed heroes only fought each other and everything was grim and dark, Spider-Girl was a refreshing throwback to fun teenage superhero action. [/b]
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 22, 2023 16:33:18 GMT -5
3 . The AuthorityIts the late 90's, I'm broke, 2 kids and a busted ass job, scrimping together enough to buy a funnybook or 2 every now and then. Then these guys happen, spinning off from Stormwatch(as I know now) we have this amazing collection of everything superheroes should be like. Starting with the alternate universe space war I was just gone. I have an affinity for Alternate Worlds, and done right they can help comics transform themselves, become more than there basic selves. This book is done right, from Warren Ellis's words to the sheer jaw dropping art of Bryan Hitch. Love the characters, love the stories, love the fight scenes, hell I even loved the gay relationship.
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Post by berkley on Dec 22, 2023 16:33:51 GMT -5
3. Howard the Duck
This could easily be my number 1 but i decided to save the top 2 spots for something equally special in their own way.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 22, 2023 17:36:11 GMT -5
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First appeared in: (various) Spin-offs: Brave and the Bold (1964), Teen Titans (1966), Teen Titans (1976), New Teen Titans (1980) and others.
A new generation of comic book heroes, spun-out of core titles where characters once locked in perpetual sidekick status had the freedom to evolve into something more. Sure, It was just a commercial stunt trying to appeal to adolescents with characters who looked and spoke more like them, but it also inadvertently paved a path forward for DC's second generation of heroes, creating a more meaningful legacy in the DCU over time. It was one thing to cheer for the adults who already had things more or less figured out, but another entirely to root for the less tested and decorated teen counterparts who were still figuring out themselves and their places in the world. And while this is certainly played up more in the 1980 New Teen Titans volume, it's there at critical moments in the original Teen Titans adventures as well.
This is cheating.
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Post by commond on Dec 22, 2023 17:38:17 GMT -5
It's day 10 already? #3 The Shade #1-4 (1997)Spun out of James Robinson's Starman. It took me a while for me to warm up to James Robinson's Starman. At first, he seemed like Robinson was trying too hard to be cool. By the time I finished it, it had grown into a profound experience. It was characters like Shade that reeled me in. This brilliant reinterpretation of a Golden Age Flash villain as a complex anti-villain. Quite possibly the most charming rogue in the history of comics, he could be friend or foe, a perfect gentleman or your worst nightmare. Robinson delved further into The Shade's contradictions in this '97 mini-series and later on in a 2011 series.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 22, 2023 18:19:27 GMT -5
3. Lucifer
Sandman Presents: Lucifer #1-3, Lucifer #1-75, Lucifer: Nirvana,1999-2006, by Mike Carey, Scott Hampton, Chris Weston, Peter Gross, Jon J. Muth, et al. Sandman had a lot of great spin-offs. Death and the Dead Boy Detectives were both strongly considered for this list. And plenty of great one-shot spin-offs not eligible like Merv Pumpkinhead or the Little Endless. Or the Endless. This one stands out. A series that found its own identity and lived up to the quality of its progenitor series. In Sandman, Lucifer had surrendered the Key to Hell, and opened a nightclub. What happens next? Is it that easy to escape God's Plan? Is he sure that this too wasn't all part of the Plan. How can he be his own man when ever in the shadow of his all-powerful Father. He will not be his Father's son. He will be himself. Or he will be nothing.
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Post by Jeddak on Dec 22, 2023 19:13:56 GMT -5
Day 10 - DeathFirst appearance - Sandman #8 Talking about The High Cost of Living Yes, again. It was genius to personify Death as a cute, smiling goth chick. And while this series wasn't what I'd expected, it was a warm, touching day in the life story. Sure, there was a plot of sorts, even a bad guy, kind of. But it was more about the journey than the destination. And while I didn't warm to the viewpoint character, I did come to like Mad Hattie and even Mrs. Robbins. Plus, there are 2 scenes that still hit me pretty hard. First there's Sexton meeting a girl in a club On the one hand, she's opening up to Sexton and he doesn't listen. Told you I didn't like him. But more importantly, it's about choosing life, no matter how much it sucks. This just makes Sexton's thoughts about suicide seem more shallow. Then there's the bit after Didi dies, when Death greets her. I still choke up a little at that. A good character in a good comic. A comic starring Death that affirms the value of living. There's a reason so many of us are picking this one.
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Post by Rob Allen on Dec 22, 2023 19:35:00 GMT -5
3. Warlock
Read what Roquefort Raider wrote.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 23, 2023 12:49:17 GMT -5
Day Ten (#3) Elongated Man (Detective Comics)
I never saw Elongated Man when he made a splash in the Flash, but early in my Detective Comics days, he became the back-up to Batman and a favorite of mine right away. By that time, he had established his rep as a crimefighter... but of a very different type. No mask. Ergo, no secret identity. Also ergo, no pestering Lois Lane/Lana Lang/ Vicki Vale girlfriend trying to out him in front of the world. Despite all that, no worries about bad guys using their knowledge of his superheroic identity as a way to get to his friends and family. No city that he patrolled as a guardian angel-type. No intimidating costume meant to terrify superstitious lots. No buff build. No standard secret identity name out of the country club member ship book, like Hal Jordan, Bruce Wayne, Lamont Cranston, Oliver Queen or Arthur Curry. He was Ralph Dibny. Ralph! Like Ralph Kramden. Dibny. Like dipsh*t! He had a name like the guy next door your dad would borrow a hedge-clipper from. No fetishistic arch-enemy wearing a bizarre costume trying to control crime in the city or rule the world. No job other than being a super-hero. Well, it wasn’t a job, a responsibility, a duty to the world, a crusade, or an innate desire to see justice done. And it was definitely not a relentless pursuit for revenge, vengeance or retribution. It was more like a hobby, a pursuit, maybe even a bit of an addiction. Other factors made Elongated Man even odder in the context of all that we knew and loved about superheroes in that phase of the beloved Silver Age... He had a wife! He had the beautiful, bright, independent Sue Dearborn for a wife! A rich heiress of wife! A wife he loved and with whom he had a mature relationship. A rich wife he loved and with whom he had a mature relationship who also didn’t bother him about his eccentricities or interfere with his hobby. And they roamed around the world for the fun of it because they could. No guilt, no debt to society, no worries. (If the comics code had allowed it, they would have taken the “Thin Man” homage one step further and enjoyed three-martini breakfasts together, too) Unlike the fearsome types of super-heroes, who could often be ten runs ahead against most crooks just by showing up, Elongated Man had a power that, let’s face it, made him look ridiculous. And his costume was purple, maybe more like lavender, with blue accessories. And in what I always thought was a funny in-joke, his boots were depicted as baggy, the exact opposite of what you’d think a stretchy guy would wear, and certainly completely unlike all the skin-tight footgear favored by other meta-mutant-superhumans. And if, like me, you didn’t known Jack Squat about some Golden Age guy named Plastic Man, the only stretchy guy you’d seen was “Mr. Fantastic,” who kept his stretching fairly standard – reaching his arms from here to next Tuesday, flattening his body into a sail or a carpet – and he forestalled any laughs at how silly he looked by filibustering about the dangers of introducing a cosmic molecular vortex nullifier into our reality. Meanwhile, when EM needed to eavesdrop on some crooks, he extended his ear down the chimney and right into the room where they were sitting. When he smelled a mystery, his nose twitched like Ray Liotta’s during the chase scene in “Goodfellas.” And the mysteries were clever and fun, from the likes of John Broome and Gardner Fox, always beautifully complemented by the art of some of the best, especially Carmine Infantino, who was perfect for Ralph, whose bizarre powers lent themselves to absurd contortions and imaginative layouts. The crooks were right out of DC Central Casting by way of the “Superman” TV show: standard-issue fedoras, sports jackets and ties, and .38 revolvers, all scheming to rob banks, cop jewels or counterfeit five-dollar bills. Ralph was a guy who was happy in his own skin, no matter how long, thin, springy, pliable, knotted, or elongated it was. He laughed at himself, realized how ridiculous and lucky he was and basked in the fun of the life he had. Imagine Batman doing that? Or Superman? Certainly not Green Lantern. Super-heroing is serious business. Enough with the fun, straighten up and fly right, Ralph, they must have thought. And yet, he was a valuable ally to the Flash and Batman who could be counted on in the occasional fight. Big mistake putting him in the JLA, I thought. And then there was all that later stuff with Sue that I made me retch when I read about it. Just before COIE happened, Ralph and Sue should have moved next door to Jordan and Lois Lane Elliot, winked at us and enjoyed their life as they were supposed to do.
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Post by foxley on Dec 23, 2023 23:45:41 GMT -5
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First appeared in: (various) Spin-offs: Brave and the Bold (1964), Teen Titans (1966), Teen Titans (1976), New Teen Titans (1980) and others.
A new generation of comic book heroes, spun-out of core titles where characters once locked in perpetual sidekick status had the freedom to evolve into something more. Sure, It was just a commercial stunt trying to appeal to adolescents with characters who looked and spoke more like them, but it also inadvertently paved a path forward for DC's second generation of heroes, creating a more meaningful legacy in the DCU over time. It was one thing to cheer for the adults who already had things more or less figured out, but another entirely to root for the less tested and decorated teen counterparts who were still figuring out themselves and their places in the world. And while this is certainly played up more in the 1980 New Teen Titans volume, it's there at critical moments in the original Teen Titans adventures as well.
This is cheating. It may be a technicality, but in their first appearance in The Brave and the Bold #54, they are listed as Robin, Kid Flash and Aqualad. The name Teen Titans wasn't used until their second appearance when Wonder Girl joined the team. Therefore Teen Titans could be said to be a spinoff of that first unnamed tea-up of Robin,Kid Flash and Aqualad.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 24, 2023 2:11:52 GMT -5
3. WarlockRead what Roquefort Raider wrote. We don’t charge by the word. You can write more , if you want…
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 24, 2023 8:32:13 GMT -5
#3 Constantine First appearing in Moore's Swampthing back in in 1985 it was only a few short years until he got his own ongoing in 1988 and it's one of my favorite comics of all time. I think the reason he sticks out so much in my mind is because he was the first protagonist I ever encountered that was written as a "bad" person. You weren't really supposed to like Constantine, he was entirely self motivated and often got anyone close to him hurt...and yet it was incredibly fun to read and you ended up likeing the guy even though he was as Confessor might say, "a total c@#$!"
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Post by Pól Rua on Dec 26, 2023 0:46:21 GMT -5
Did I mention DC Silver Age shenanigans earlier in my list? Well, here we go again, because at #3, we've got... #3. Superman's Pal, Jimmy OlsenOne of my favourite creators, British writer/artist Paul Grist, has said that his dream comics assignment would be a Jimmy Olsen series, and I 100% understand that. Jimmy is one of the best characters in the entire DC Universe. It doesn't matter whether we're talking original Silver Age flavour, Jack Kirby, the 'Mister Action' era or modern re-visitations, there's something endlessly entertaining about watching what passes for an 'ordinary teenager' hanging out with Superman, fighting crime as a member of the Legion of Superheroes reserve, solving strange mysteries, getting twisted and transformed into all sorts of sci-fi weirdos, travelling in time, and desperately trying to get out of dire predicaments ( "How can I be on time for my date with Lucy Lane when I'm a (gulp) WEREWOLF?") with only his pluck, creativity and resourcefulness (and his handy-dandy Signal-Watch!) to rely on. Kurt Busiek once said that 'Marvels' and 'Astro City' were all about addressing, "not so much what would superheroes be like in the real world, but what it'd be like to visit theirs!" It's why I'll always have a soft spot for Mister and Mrs.Olsen's little boy.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 26, 2023 13:01:10 GMT -5
So, as I've mentioned, it's frequently hard for me to get on here on the weekend except on my phone. And that's doubly true if I have kids at home...and I do. So here we go with me making comments to whatever purpose they may have. Smax - Dammit! I should have thought of that. That's a super good mini-series. Penny Century - Have we seen this? I can't keep the Love & Rockets stuff straight. I just know that I don't get it. X-23 - ummm...yeah. The Teen Titans - I'm not a big fan of the Teen Titans and definitely not that first run. Flash ( Wally West ) - I read that book sporadically. It was generally a solid mid-tier superhero funnybook. Lois Lane - Oh Lord No! THE KENTS - My second Dammit of the day. I love this book. And no way I'd have contorted my mind to make it fit. Have a Slammie. Spider-Girl - I vaguely remember this being a thing. I've never read an of those books though. The Authority - Have we seen them? I dunno. I liked Ellis' run on this. But I left when he did. Elongated Man - I think we've seen him, but not in this series. I will say that if I have to read "Silver Age" DC that this is better than most. Hellblazer - I can't remember if we've seen Constantine either. But we did again earlier today. Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen - Have we seen Jimmy Olsen? I don't know. It would be better if we hadn't.
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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 26, 2023 18:09:39 GMT -5
The Kents seemed like an easily qualifiable choice, to me; if's it's not a Superman family spin-off, what is it? It's about the Kent family (and its ancestors), and the Kent family first appeared in the Superman books. Jonathan Kent's narrating most (or all) of the captions, so he's an explicit presence throughout the run. Anyway, I'm glad no one else thought of it in that sense, and I'm proud to have won one of the first (presumably) annual Slammies, especially for one (is it the only?) Superman Family comic that Slam admits to liking!
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