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Post by kirby101 on Feb 17, 2024 16:48:37 GMT -5
Like Wally Wood, another great Kirby inker, too much talent doing their own work to be an inker.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 17, 2024 18:01:00 GMT -5
Kirby's best inker was Steve Ditko. It's just a shame it didn't happen often. That’s a weird way to spell Wally Wood. |
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 17, 2024 18:27:24 GMT -5
I always thought those Hulks were not Ditko inking Kirby but Ditko finishing the art from looser Kirby pencils.
The FFs looked more like Ditko doing straight inking.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 17, 2024 18:34:39 GMT -5
I always thought those Hulks were not Ditko inking Kirby but Ditko finishing the art from looser Kirby pencils. The FFs looked more like Ditko doing straight inking. Ditko doing the Hulk was the only Ditko art I really liked. there I said it. |
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 17, 2024 18:38:12 GMT -5
I always thought those Hulks were not Ditko inking Kirby but Ditko finishing the art from looser Kirby pencils. The FFs looked more like Ditko doing straight inking. Ditko doing the Hulk was the only Ditko art I really liked. there I said it. Agreed; his Hulk looked like a seething, calculating monster, delivering a far more threatening Hulk than Kirby.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 17, 2024 19:48:18 GMT -5
I don't know who the "best" was but my favorite Kirby inker was Bill Everett.
Cei-U! Nuff said!
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 17, 2024 20:38:54 GMT -5
I always thought those Hulks were not Ditko inking Kirby but Ditko finishing the art from looser Kirby pencils. The FFs looked more like Ditko doing straight inking. Ditko doing the Hulk was the only Ditko art I really liked. there I said it. Not a fan of Speedball?  |
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 17, 2024 20:42:39 GMT -5
I don't know who the "best" was but my favorite Kirby inker was Bill Everett. Cei-U! Nuff said!
A story Mark Evaner tells is he once was telling Jack how much he liked Everett's ink on Thor. Kirby said "You must be wrong, Bill is a top artist, no way he would just ink me.". Mark had to find his one of issues of Thor, which Kirby had never seen. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 18, 2024 10:25:39 GMT -5
I always thought those Hulks were not Ditko inking Kirby but Ditko finishing the art from looser Kirby pencils. The FFs looked more like Ditko doing straight inking. Ditko doing the Hulk was the only Ditko art I really liked. there I said it. You need to read The Dormamu Saga, my friend. |
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 18, 2024 10:51:42 GMT -5
And may I add, since this is the Stan Lee thread, that ALL of Dr Strange was Ditko, conceived and plotted. Even though in Origins, Stan claimed it was his idea.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 18, 2024 11:15:18 GMT -5
And may I add, since this is the Stan Lee thread, that ALL of Dr Strange was Ditko, conceived and plotted. Even though in Origins, Stan claimed it was his idea.  |
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Post by Crimebuster on Feb 18, 2024 19:16:07 GMT -5
I've said before that the most tedious thing in all of comics is the argument about whether Stan or Jack should get the credit. So I'm not going to participate much. But kirby101 is correct about Dr. Strange - it was Ditko's idea. In January 1963, some months prior to Dr. Strange making his debut, Stan wrote a letter to superfan, zine publisher, and budding comics historian Jerry Bails, and in that letter among other things he teases upcoming projects including Dr. Strange. In the letter Stan explicitly states that Dr. Strange was Ditko's idea.  |
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Post by Confessor on Feb 18, 2024 19:55:05 GMT -5
And may I add, since this is the Stan Lee thread, that ALL of Dr Strange was Ditko, conceived and plotted. Even though in Origins, Stan claimed it was his idea. I think it's pretty well known and accepted that Ditko was the driving force behind Dr. Strange, and yes, almost certainly plotted and drew the majority of the good Doctor's adventures all by himself during his tenure on the book. But I don't think it's accurate to say "ALL of Dr Strange was Ditko". For one thing, in the initial script for the Sorcerer Supreme's first appearance, he was known as Mr. Strange (shades of Mr. A perhaps?). Stan didn't think it was a dramatic enough name and rather too similar to Mr. Fantastic of the Fantastic Four, so it was agreed that he would become Dr. Strange instead. Given how important the whole "former celebrated doctor tragically blows it all, learns magic from an ancient mystic, and then decides to use his abilities to save humanity" aspect of his back story is, that is not a small change of Stan's. And frankly, that seems like a very Stan type of origin story to me. The point I'm making in the above is that Ditko's initial idea was not the character that we know and love -- he didn't even have the same name! There was no origin in that first story (it may well have been pitched as just a one-off story), no visiting of mystic dimensions (Strange goes into a guy's sub-conscious, not a mystic realm), and the character may even have been intended by Ditko to be of East Asian ethnicity initially to heighten the tale's oriental exoticism (look at his eyes in that first story)...   Stan also helped Ditko out with dialogue on the Dr. Strange comics on occasion, if he felt that some of Steve's scripting was not up to par (I guess this could be called editing, but whatever...). But no one is gonna tell me that all those wonderfully florid verbal incantations that Strange recites weren't concocted by Stan Lee. His finger prints are all over phrases like, "By the hoary hosts of Hoggoth" or "By the power of the Faltine". Anyway, I think it's clear, if you look into the creation and subsequent evolution of the character, that Stan had some influence on it. How much, we'll probably never know. But there undoubtedly were some aspects of the strip that were down to Stan's input, even if it was ultimately Ditko's baby, and that at the very least warrants a co-creator credit. |
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Post by Confessor on Feb 18, 2024 20:03:55 GMT -5
I've said before that the most tedious thing in all of comics is the argument about whether Stan or Jack should get the credit. So I'm not going to participate much. But kirby101 is correct about Dr. Strange - it was Ditko's idea. In January 1963, some months prior to Dr. Strange making his debut, Stan wrote a letter to superfan, zine publisher, and budding comics historian Jerry Bails, and in that letter among other things he teases upcoming projects including Dr. Strange. In the letter Stan explicitly states that Dr. Strange was Ditko's idea. That letter and Stan's comments don't preclude Stan having involvement in that initial story or the subsequent evolution of the character. He even mentions the changing of the character's name that I mentioned in my previous post right there in the letter. Stan writing to Bails about the new "Mr. Strange" strip and saying "'twas Steve's idea and I figured we'd give it a chance" doesn't necessarily mean that Lee didn't tinker with elements of that script or have some involvement in later stories, even if they were relatively minor. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 18, 2024 20:21:19 GMT -5
It's also worth noting that Dr. Strange (or at least his origin) is partially cribbed from the Dr. Droom series that ran in Amazing Adventures. Droom was also a physician who turned to sorcery under the tutelage of an immortal Tibetan wizard and had an Asian manservant. That first story is credited to Lee, Lieber, Kirby... and Ditko. Coincidence?
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