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Post by tarkintino on Apr 1, 2024 17:27:48 GMT -5
A thread devoted to discussing/reviewing the Atlas books would actually be a pretty good idea. Talk about what ideas worked and didnt work, any storytelling innovations, etc. It's kind of a forgotten era of Marvel since, aside from Marvel Boy and the short-lived returns of Sub-Mariner, Captain America, and Torch, there were no superheroes (not counting Groot) and they were basically trying everything to stay alive. Not a bad idea at all, if it was an objective historical account, as opposed to agenda-based tales.
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Post by jason on Apr 1, 2024 22:13:22 GMT -5
Well, now that I've proposed it, anyone willing to do a 50s Atlas retrospective? I doubt anyone has a complete collection of titles, but reviewing the ones that may have would still be an interesting topic about Marvel's "lost decade".
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Post by Confessor on Apr 1, 2024 23:03:49 GMT -5
Well, now that I've proposed it, anyone willing to do a 50s Atlas retrospective? I doubt anyone has a complete collection of titles, but reviewing the ones that may have would still be an interesting topic about Marvel's "lost decade". Why not do it yourself? It doesn't even have to be a full, exhaustive review thread, per se; it could just be a more general freewheeling thing, where you maybe examine certain issues? I'm sure the comics in question are available online (not to advocate online comic priracy, of course, but maybe some of them are in the public domain now???)
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Post by berkley on Apr 1, 2024 23:49:55 GMT -5
Well, now that I've proposed it, anyone willing to do a 50s Atlas retrospective? I doubt anyone has a complete collection of titles, but reviewing the ones that may have would still be an interesting topic about Marvel's "lost decade". Why not do it yourself? It doesn't even have to be a full, exhaustive review thread, per se; it could just be a more general freewheeling thing, where you maybe examine certain issues? I'm sure the comics in question are available online (not to advocate online comic piracy, of course, but maybe some of them are in the public domain now???) I'd be interested in reading an 1950s Atlas thread: I know almost nothing about Atlas comics (and BTW, in case anyone's wondering, had no opinion on or even knew there was any controversy over what Stan Lee wrote in the Atlas days), apart from whatever reprints I might have read in various Marvel anthology series in the 1960s and 70s.
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Post by MWGallaher on Apr 2, 2024 8:10:46 GMT -5
I've reviewed sample issues of each of the Atlas jungle comics in my Jungle Gems or Jungle Junk thread: Jungle Action, Jungle Tales, Lorna the Jungle Queen/Girl, and Jann of the Jungle. Recently, I've been sampling some of the Atlas war titles, which are proving to be a lot better than I expected them to be. There's a lot of fascinating stuff in the Atlas era, and interesting trends, such as their tendency to duplicate words in their titles, presumably based on sales response: Journey Into Mystery, Adventure Into Mystery, Mystery Tales; Battle, Battle Action, Battlefield, Battlefront, Battleground, Marines In Battle; Combat, Combat Casey, Combat Kelly, Navy Combat; Marines in Action, Navy Action, Men In Action, Police Action, Jungle Action, War Action.
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Post by MDG on Apr 2, 2024 9:57:21 GMT -5
The Atlas title I'm really curious about is Venus (and I know it's been reprinted) because of the weird twists and turns it took and some wildly bizarre covers.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Apr 2, 2024 14:00:42 GMT -5
The Atlas title I'm really curious about is Venus (and I know it's been reprinted) because of the weird twists and turns it took and some wildly bizarre covers. I skimmed though it on Marvel Unlimited a few years back. They only have the first nine issues, but just in those the book goes from basically a fantasy/romance/humor mashup to a supernatural/romance/quasi-superhero (with Satan being the main "supervillian") mashup. Pretty good art at times. Looking at the covers to the rest of the series, seems like horror soon becomes the dominant theme, and Bill Everett becomes the main artist. Need to check those out some day
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Post by impulse on Apr 3, 2024 12:18:02 GMT -5
Not for the first time and surely not for the last, I feel like the contents of this entire thread would make for a fascinating Netflix documentary along the lines of "The Toys That Made Us."
What an incredible base of comics related historical knowledge we have here. I remain impressed.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 3, 2024 12:35:54 GMT -5
Not for the first time and surely not for the last, I feel like the contents of this entire thread would make for a fascinating Netflix documentary along the lines of "The Toys That Made Us." What an incredible base of comics related historical knowledge we have here. I remain impressed. The Comics That Broke US!
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Post by impulse on Apr 3, 2024 14:46:34 GMT -5
Not for the first time and surely not for the last, I feel like the contents of this entire thread would make for a fascinating Netflix documentary along the lines of "The Toys That Made Us." What an incredible base of comics related historical knowledge we have here. I remain impressed. The Comics That Broke US! The Comics that Made Us MAD!!! And they could of course also cover MAD Magazine.
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Post by commond on Apr 3, 2024 15:29:47 GMT -5
Not for the first time and surely not for the last, I feel like the contents of this entire thread would make for a fascinating Netflix documentary along the lines of "The Toys That Made Us." What an incredible base of comics related historical knowledge we have here. I remain impressed. I'm still waiting for a Marc Maron Stan Lee show.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 21, 2024 11:11:05 GMT -5
First I was talking about how Challengers sold in the 50s, during and right after Kirby left. It was a better seller at that time than the JLA became. I was talking about how the superheroes sold all the way up to 61 and the introduction of the FF. What i find incredulous is that Goodman would decide to upend his entire comics line because DC had a mid level selling book. "Oh look, DC has a new book selling 40% of what Superman does, let's model our line on that!" Your last sentence. But they didn't. They still bought all the Superman titles and Batman more. JLA sold fine, but how was that such a big hit to make Goodman shake up everything? And why was their first book modeled after Challengers and then only have individual hero books for 2 years and then not do a JLA type book with the Avengers in 63?
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 21, 2024 13:35:17 GMT -5
First I was talking about how Challengers sold in the 50s, during and right after Kirby left. It was a better seller at that time than the JLA became. I was talking about how the superheroes sold all the way up to 61 and the introduction of the FF. What i find incredulous is that Goodman would decide to upend his entire comics line because DC had a mid level selling book. "Oh look, DC has a new book selling 40% of what Superman does, let's model our line on that!" Your last sentence. But they didn't. They still bought all the Superman titles and Batman more. JLA sold fine, but how was that such a big hit to make Goodman shake up everything? And why was their first book modeled after Challengers and then only have individual hero books for 2 years and then not do a JLA type book with the Avengers in 63? You're asking a lot of really good questions. I don’t have any answers but it’s something to think about.
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Post by commond on Jun 21, 2024 15:49:06 GMT -5
First I was talking about how Challengers sold in the 50s, during and right after Kirby left. It was a better seller at that time than the JLA became. I was talking about how the superheroes sold all the way up to 61 and the introduction of the FF. What i find incredulous is that Goodman would decide to upend his entire comics line because DC had a mid level selling book. "Oh look, DC has a new book selling 40% of what Superman does, let's model our line on that!" Your last sentence. But they didn't. They still bought all the Superman titles and Batman more. JLA sold fine, but how was that such a big hit to make Goodman shake up everything? And why was their first book modeled after Challengers and then only have individual hero books for 2 years and then not do a JLA type book with the Avengers in 63? Once again, it wasn't a mid-level selling book. It was the 13th best selling book in all of comics. The only non-DC comics that sold more were Uncle Scrooge, Tarzan, Archie, and Turok. The only DC books that outsold it were the Superman family books and Batman. It sold the same amount of copies as Detective Comics. The difference between JLA and the nation's other best selling books? It was a team book. Even if Kirby came to Goodman with the greatest pitch in the history of the world for The Fantastic Four, Goodman was still the one who had to give the OK and there's no evidence to discredit the story that Goodman based his decision on the JLA sales. The order of events may have been different from how they're historically presented, but even if Kirby was the driving force behind everything, it didn't happen in a bubble. If we compare 1960 sales figures to 1961, you can see that there are a lot more non-superhero books in the top 20, mostly Dell books. What happened in 1961 is that Dell misread the market and raised their cover price to 15 cents when everyone else went to 12 cents. That was one of the pivotal points in the super-hero take over. It's hard to believe that Goodman, however competent you believe he was, didn't notice a trend in the market. As far as I recall, he wanted a team book with the old Timely characters but Stan and Kirby went a different route. My point about the kids buying JLA was as an alternative to buying Green Lantern, Flash, Wonder Woman, and whoever else had a solo book at the time.
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Post by commond on Jun 21, 2024 15:52:31 GMT -5
I should point out that the 13th best selling book stat doesn't take into account books where no statements can be found such as Walt Disney's Comics & Stories.
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