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Post by kirby101 on May 5, 2024 8:43:20 GMT -5
A few thoughts. That Tales of Asgard splash is great, and probably one of those times where Kirby just started in one corner and filled the page.
The Loki page shows Kirby's genius, it is just a page of one character thinking. Other artists might just have him from one angle and just changing poses. But Kirby constantly changes the camera angle and goes from mid range to close up, making it a dynamic page that could have been dull. Very cinematic.
As for the Stan dialog, he was just filling a page where the story was obvious. He could have said "An artillery barrage that could even harm the near invulnerable Thor!" Instead we get three word balloons where one would suffice. But Stan is just making up the dialog as he looks at each panel for the first time, so there is often not a good flow with it.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 5, 2024 9:29:16 GMT -5
A few thoughts. That Tales of Asgard splash is great, and probably one of those times where Kirby just started in one corner and filled the page. The Loki page shows Kirby's genius, it is just a page of one character thinking. Other artists might just have him from one angle and just changing poses. But Kirby constantly changes the camera angle and goes from mid range to close up, making it a dynamic page that could have been dull. Very cinematic. As for the Stan dialog, he was just filling a page where the story was obvious. He could have said "An artillery barrage that could even harm the near invulnerable Thor!" Instead we get three word balloons where one would suffice. But Stan is just making up the dialog as he looks at each panel for the first time, so there is often not a good flow with it. Brad, you’re turning me into an alcoholic. I have a drink every time you bash Stan. |
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Post by kirby101 on May 5, 2024 9:59:58 GMT -5
A few thoughts. That Tales of Asgard splash is great, and probably one of those times where Kirby just started in one corner and filled the page. The Loki page shows Kirby's genius, it is just a page of one character thinking. Other artists might just have him from one angle and just changing poses. But Kirby constantly changes the camera angle and goes from mid range to close up, making it a dynamic page that could have been dull. Very cinematic. As for the Stan dialog, he was just filling a page where the story was obvious. He could have said "An artillery barrage that could even harm the near invulnerable Thor!" Instead we get three word balloons where one would suffice. But Stan is just making up the dialog as he looks at each panel for the first time, so there is often not a good flow with it. Brad, you’re turning me into an alcoholic. I have a drink every time you bash Stan. I was responding to you saying this; "Thor makes a comment that even he could be killed. This is confusing." With the likely explanation for the confusing dialog. Is anything I said about the way Stan worked not true? Stan did not write a script before or after the book was drawn. He literally made up the dialog as he looked at each page and wrote it on the board. I doubt he gave a second thought that what he wrote conflicted to anything else he had written before. He was going for dramatic sounding dialog, not a coherent story. The story was already worked out by the artist. Why is stating how Stan worked bashing?
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Post by Icctrombone on May 5, 2024 13:36:27 GMT -5
Brad , I was kidding.  |
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Post by kirby101 on May 5, 2024 17:52:39 GMT -5
Brad , I was kidding. Okay, no worries. |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 5, 2024 20:24:23 GMT -5
Journey into Mystery # 118“ To kill a Thunder God “ Writer Stan Lee Artist: Jack Kirby Artist Inks: Vince CollettaPlot summary: Returning from Vietnam, Thor stops his journey to inspect the Norn stones that he has secured from the last issue. Meanwhile , a hunter nearby is manipulated by Loki to shoot Thor with a shell filled with gas. After tying Thor up , The hunter begins to examine weapons and treasures that apparently Loki has planted in that land. He is drawn by Loki to a nearby temple which is uncovered by an explosion to reveal the being called the Destroyer contained inside. The Destroyer was an ancient legend known to adventurers but the Hunter discovers that he exists. Meanwhile, Thor awakens and frees himself from his restraints. He Pursues the Hunter only to discover that the temple which Odin created to house the Destroyer has been breached. He finds himself in the battle of his life. Meanwhile, Loki realizes that if Thor is killed, it will be revealed that he was responsible. Loki runs to tell Odin of the danger , but is barred from seeing his father who is undertaking his Odin sleep. Odin has to completely sleep for one day to regenerate his power. Loki, who isn’t trusted by anyone in Asgard, is thrown into a dungeon equipped to hold even him and his magics. Thor is engaging the Destroyer and losing. Even his indestructible hammer is seared in half by an energy bolt unleashed by the Destroyer. Thor still tries to fight his opponent with just the power of the norn stones but is trapped in the floor by the Destroyer's ability to transform the floor into a solid. To be continued Cool moment:Thor's Hammer is cut in half by the Destroyer's force blast. That Image and event stayed with me as a youth.  Once again Kirby blows me away with the image of the Odin sleep.  It's interesting to see Loki get his just desserts from his constant lying. He attempts to warn Odin but no one will believe him. The Boy who cried wolf coming back to bite him. The issue is left with real dire cliffhangers that Impact with Thor and Loki. This was a great issue highlighting an awesome threat to the Thor Mythos. The Destroyer is an awesome top tier villain.  Tales of AsgardThor is prepping for the quest to see who has cracked the Oversword and is getting a weapon from and maps from ancient and wise Marduk.He gives Thor something called the Crimson glove. Apparently, it can compel someone to tell the truth when they are touched by it. Loki enters the chamber with someone called Braggi who is to be the overseer of the sailing crew. When Thor shakes his hand, he tells Thor that he will slay him when he gets the chance. Thor kicks his behind and chases him away. Before Thor can touch Loki with the glove to see if he was part of the conspiracy, Loki departs. To be continued. Miscellaneous ads 
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Post by kirby101 on May 5, 2024 20:34:02 GMT -5
One of Kirby's less used but great creations.
This issue is in the Kirby Thor Artist Edition. Wonderful seeing the original art. I especially loved the temple.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 5, 2024 21:19:11 GMT -5
Every time they used the Destroyer it was amazing.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 6, 2024 5:29:21 GMT -5
Didja notice the name of future pro Bob Rozakis--DC's Answer Man himself--in the list of new MMMSers?
Cei-U!
I summon the letters page luminary!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 6, 2024 10:46:53 GMT -5
Cool moment:Thor's Hammer is cut in half by the Destroyer's force blast. That Image and event stayed with me as a youth. How did Mjolnir get repaired? I have that issue in an Essential book somewhere, but I forgot. I suppose Odin just zapped it back together. Absolutely, and he looks so much better when Kirby draws him! The Destroyer was like te Mangog: seldom used and absolutely terrifying because no aount of traditional "let's grind our teeth and hit him some more" strategy would work against them! |
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Post by Batflunkie on May 6, 2024 11:23:01 GMT -5
While I love Destroyer, there's a confusing lack of continuity in the usage of the character. In 118 and the second annual, Destroyer can talk when possessed by a soul. Later on, it can't
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Post by Icctrombone on May 6, 2024 11:46:26 GMT -5
The implication is that the Hammer doesn't work in that condition. I don't know if the Hammer is ever destroyed like that again. I remember the Molecule man disintegrating it in Avengers 215.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 6, 2024 12:03:58 GMT -5
Brad , I was kidding. Not about the drinking, though, right? |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 6, 2024 12:51:47 GMT -5
The implication is that the Hammer doesn't work in that condition. I don't know if the Hammer is ever destroyed like that again. I remember the Molecule man disintegrating it in Avengers 215. In Straczinski's run, Thor broke his hammer when he struck his grandad with it. Mjolnir got better, but Dr. Strange needed to use a large part of the Odin force residing in the god of thunder to do so, and declared that Thor and his hammer were now so tightly linked that should the hammer be broken again, Thor would die. A point that was made moot when Thor died very soon thereafter in some big event or the other. |
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Post by kirby101 on May 6, 2024 13:13:16 GMT -5
How did Mjolnir get repaired? I have that issue in an Essential book somewhere, but I forgot. I suppose Odin just zapped it back together. You'll see that on the awesome splash page when they review Thor #121. |
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