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Post by kirby101 on Jul 28, 2024 9:56:45 GMT -5
As I said before. Colletta was not untalented. He could do fine work. His shortcomings were mostly rush jobs because of all the work he took on (and some of it done by less skilled assistants) and his removal of someof the pencil art on pages. When he cared to, or on special pages like this (or the upcoming gobsmack spread in Thor #133) his work looked great. But even here, his treatment of the Kirby Krackle was a lot looser than say, that of Sinnott.  Sinnott  |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jul 28, 2024 12:43:56 GMT -5
FYI, I have both Thor Annual #2 and his appearance in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #3 occurring between between page 3, panel 2, and page 7, panel 1, of Thor #131, the only place in nearly a year's worth of continuity where there's a (implied) break long enough to accommodate those events. Cei-U! I summon the tentative timeline! GCD places the ASM Annual between Thor #135 and 136, and puts the Thor Annual and six other Thor appearances between #141 and 142. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 28, 2024 13:51:44 GMT -5
FYI, I have both Thor Annual #2 and his appearance in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #3 occurring between between page 3, panel 2, and page 7, panel 1, of Thor #131, the only place in nearly a year's worth of continuity where there's a (implied) break long enough to accommodate those events. Cei-U! I summon the tentative timeline! GCD places the ASM Annual between Thor #135 and 136, and puts the Thor Annual and six other Thor appearances between #141 and 142. I learned a long time ago not to take the GCD's word for anything.
Cei-U! I summon the hard truth!
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jul 28, 2024 14:54:17 GMT -5
GCD places the ASM Annual between Thor #135 and 136, and puts the Thor Annual and six other Thor appearances between #141 and 142. I learned a long time ago not to take the GCD's word for anything.
Cei-U! I summon the hard truth!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 28, 2024 16:10:42 GMT -5
Marvel Chronology Project typically references WHY something is placed where it is, so you can agree or disagree. I don't think the guy is still actively working on it, but I know back when he was there would be some debates about some of the items
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 28, 2024 22:16:22 GMT -5
I just read Thor #133, the conclusion to the colonizers/Ego adventure, And it’s such a great story! Thor and the recorder standing on the surface of a living planet! And all the weird crap that Ego comes up with to fight them.
I just noticed for the first time the time frames. How long it takes for everybody to do anything from issue #131 to the beginning of issue # 134
Thor says goodbye to Hercules, goes to Asgard to get Odin’s permission to date Jane Foster, Looks for Jane, meets and fights the Rigellians, Travels to Rigel, Get sent to the Black Galaxy to fight Ego, defeats Ego, returns to Earth.
Jane gets hypmotized, takes a bus, somehow boards a jet plane to Europe, meets a Balkan Pig-Man who takes her to dinner in small mountain town, and is aggressively recruited by a Count Tagar.
Tana Nile sends Jane away, asks a nice policeman to take her to the leader and then apparently spends two or three days arguing with a desk sergeant at a midtown police station.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 29, 2024 13:30:27 GMT -5
Marvel Chronology Project typically references WHY something is placed where it is, so you can agree or disagree. I don't think the guy is still actively working on it, but I know back when he was there would be some debates about some of the items Yeah, I think the Marvel Chronology Project is decidedly hit and miss. I've used it as a guide when working out a chronological reading order for all the Spider-Man comics in my collection. Sometimes their placing is spot on, but equally often it is very obviously incorrect to anyone reading the issues in question. So, I only tend to use it as a rough guide. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 30, 2024 3:13:37 GMT -5
As I said before. Colletta was not untalented. He could do fine work. His shortcomings were mostly rush jobs because of all the work he took on (and some of it done by less skilled assistants) and his removal of someof the pencil art on pages. When he cared to, or on special pages like this (or the upcoming gobsmack spread in Thor #133) his work looked great. But even here, his treatment of the Kirby Krackle was a lot looser than say, that of Sinnott. Sinnott
I'll always feel that Colletta added a lot to the overall effect of Kirby's artwork on Thor. Unfortunately, to make the facile comment, he also subtracted a lot - as in erasing pencil lines Kirby had taken the time and trouble to draw. But the net result was artwork that made a tremendous impact on me at the tme and that that I admire to this day.
I suppose it must have been that work on Thor that made DC (or was it Kirby himself?) think Colletta would be the ideal inker for the Fourth World books - and how wrong they were.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 30, 2024 8:38:35 GMT -5
It was DC, Infantino I think who picked Colletta. Kirby wanted Frank Giacoia, who inked the New Gods character pages, the Orion he inked was used on the cover of New Gods 1. It's hard to say what went into the decision. Infantino liked how Colletta looked on Thor? Colletta had a lower rate than Giacoia? Carmine knew and worked with Vinnie before? Who knows.
But in the end, when Mark Evanier and Steve Sherman showed Kirby (who was the Editor of his own books, at least in name) how he was erasing pencils, and also learned he was showing the original art around Marvel, Vinnie was replaced by Mike Royer.
Giacoia did get to ink Kirby on his return to Marvel, notably on Captain America and the 2001 Treasuy adaptation.
As for the erasing, I too liked how Thor looked when first read it. We had no way to know that things were erased and backgrounds were simplified. We do now though.
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Post by berkley on Jul 31, 2024 15:52:24 GMT -5
It was DC, Infantino I think who picked Colletta. Kirby wanted Frank Giacoia, who inked the New Gods character pages, the Orion he inked was used on the cover of New Gods 1. It's hard to say what went into the decision. Infantino liked how Colletta looked on Thor? Colletta had a lower rate than Giacoia? Carmine knew and worked with Vinnie before? Who knows. But in the end, when Mark Evanier and Steve Sherman showed Kirby (who was the Editor of his own books, at least in name) how he was erasing pencils, and also learned he was showing the original art around Marvel, Vinnie was replaced by Mike Royer. Giacoia did get to ink Kirby on his return to Marvel, notably on Captain America and the 2001 Treasuy adaptation. As for the erasing, I too liked how Thor looked when first read it. We had no way to know that things were erased and backgrounds were simplified. We do now though.
I liked Giacoia's inks on those early issues of Kirby's 70s Captain America and in fact I think he would probably be my number one choice as Kirby's inker for that particular series - something about his style just seemed right for that character.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 1, 2024 4:01:58 GMT -5
 Comments:It was simple story of a tournament ,which I enjoyed. I enjoyed it in a different way than the ongoing series, which had a lot more thought put into the plot than this story. There seemed to be a few mental gymnastics involved with Loki possessing the Destroyer. I thought a human body had to be present for the Destoyer to be animated. Anyway, I liked the opponents for the Asgardians. The Tyr That appears , is it the Tyr that later shows up in the 300's of the title? Odin ends the battle by sending the forgetfulness beam to where Loki is located. Kind of a simple fix to the problem. Thor used that same power on Jane a year or so back. I guess all Asgardians have that ability. I don't know when the Destroyer next appears , but I guess it now resides in Asgard. I'm going to join the bandwagon and scold Colletta for the third panel in this scan. It seems out of place to have that scene in a silhouette.  I also recognize that it must have been difficult for the two artists to churn out another 30 page story on top of their regular Thor issue for the month. All in all, I liked the issue although it doesn't rise to their regular monthly title storywise. The positive is that it shows more of Asgards customs. Ads and stuff |
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 1, 2024 4:29:29 GMT -5
No, the Tyr seen in this annual is not the one-handed Norse God of War. Which begs the question: are there other Thors, Balders, Sifs, etc in Asgard? Afer all, I'm not the only Kurt in Tacoma, though I probably am the only
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 1, 2024 8:16:03 GMT -5
Kirby and Sinnott were able to do it on the FF without the shortcuts and erasing with much slicker inking.
Ditko did it pencil and inking on Spider-Man.
Not an excuse for a professional. If you don't have time to do a proper job, don't take the job. That was a rule I lived by as a commercial artist.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 5, 2024 8:19:18 GMT -5
You assume it was a conscious choice... perhaps Stan or some editor ASKED for a rush job, and Coletta was told to finish at all costs. Deadlines do seem to have been a major thing at the time.
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Post by Calidore on Aug 5, 2024 13:03:01 GMT -5
No, the Tyr seen in this annual is not the one-handed Norse God of War. Which begs the question: are there other Thors, Balders, Sifs, etc in Asgard? Afer all, I'm not the only Kurt in Tacoma, though I probably am the only Cei-U! I summon the random thought! Well, we know from the song by ? and the Mysterians that there were 96 Tyrs. |
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