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Post by jtrw2024 on Aug 17, 2024 9:00:26 GMT -5
Just a minor nitpick, but doesn't Annual #1 go between ASM #16 and #17, rather than after #15? No that it really matters, but yeah, the pedant in me couldn't let that go. I've seen it placed both ways. I'm not sure what the actual release date would have been, or what the intended order was. I was going by the order the stories were placed in some recent collections like the Epic Collection and Mighty Marvel Masterworks. I knew there may be some different views on the subject which is why I included some comments in my review on why I preferred it this way.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 17, 2024 9:04:40 GMT -5
Just a minor nitpick, but doesn't Annual #1 go between ASM #16 and #17, rather than after #15? No that it really matters, but yeah, the pedant in me couldn't let that go. that appears to be where it was published.
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Post by tarkintino on Aug 17, 2024 11:02:44 GMT -5
THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Annual 1 (reprinted in Marvel Tales 150) The Electro splash page would resurface as the re-colored cover of the first of the three Pocket Books' novel Spider-Man reprint collections, all under the Marvel Comics Series, beginning with Stan Lee Presents The Amazing Spider-Man (#81443, from 1977) reprinting TASM issues 1 - 6, and unlike Marvel Tales, the novel series boasted "All stories complete and unabridged":
Note: the novel cover Spider-Man's face has been altered to reflect the then-universal standard of Spider-Man as established by John Romita, while the "WHOP!" was changed to "WHOK!". On the subject of Romita, the covers of the remaining two Pocket TASM novel covers would feature rearrangements of classic Romita covers, despite the contents reprinting Ditko-era issues:
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Post by Confessor on Aug 17, 2024 11:27:37 GMT -5
THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Annual 1 (reprinted in Marvel Tales 150) On the cover, a small caption is removed to make way for the UPC box. There's also some changes to the wording on the remaining caption, which I assume is to remove what the editors believed to be outdated slang. "Most Gol-darned Guest-stars" becomes "More Exciting Guest-stars". Here's the original cover of Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1… In case you can’t tell from the cover, the members of the Sinister Six are: -Dr.Octopus, -Mysterio, -Kraven, -Electro, -Vulture -Sandman I think it's interesting that the Green Goblin is missing from the Sinister Six – perhaps speaking to his "2nd-tier bad guy" status at this point? Or maybe, since it's clear that Stan and Steve were planning something special with the Goblin's identity, they judged it better to maintain a bit of mystery and not include him in this annual? Regardless, there's no doubt at all from the contents of this comic that, at this point in Spidey's adventures, Doctor Octopus is his archenemy. Oh, by the way, something I think you forgot to note in your review is that this is the first time Doctor Octopus telepathically summons his tentacles. How great is it that Spider-man has so many interesting villains so early in the title's history, that you can put six of these foes in a group, and still have two or three other ones left over? Absolutely! Stan Lee and Steve Diko have been on fire throughout this run. It's just such a strong first year or so. When you think about it, there were more all-time classic Spider-Man villains introduced in the first twenty or so issues of Amazing Spider-Man than there were in the next hundred! Obviously, that is partly down to Stan, but I think it really speaks to the influence of Steve Ditko on these stories. No one who came after his run on the comic would be able to match his sheer imagination and world building (and I say that as a huge fan of John Romita BTW). When the villains are gathered together, Doc Ock is smoking. Marvel put a ban on smoking in their comics in the early 2000s, so a scene like this probably wouldn’t pass today. Then again Ock is evil, and wouldn’t care about the rules anyway. Also, far more people smoked tobacco in everyday life back in the early '60s than they did in the early 2000s. Mostly because it was obvious to anybody by then that it was extremely harmful to you. Does modern day Marvel have a ban on vaping? Even though Betty keeps telling Aunt May Dr. Octopus is evil, Aunt May is impressed by his good manners. She’ll continue to fall for Otto's charm on several more occasions, in later issues, which we’ll eventually get to. It's very amusing how Aunt May thinks that Doc Ock is the perfect gentleman pretty much right off the bat. Even when Betty Brant tries to tell her that he's a dangerous villain, she just dismisses her and even says she feels sorry for him having a problem with his arms. As I said a couple of pages back to kirby101, the whole Aunt May/Doc Ock relationship or romance is utterly ridiculous – but that doesn't stop me enjoying the hell out of it. Ock’s plan involves the six villains fighting Spidey one at a time, and they draw cards to determine which order they should fight him. Ock’s tentacle is holding the box from which the cards were drawn so it was probably always his plan to fight Spidey last (in a giant fishbowl of course, because that’s how a real octopus would do it). Let's be honest, Doc Ock's plan is ludicrous…from his rational that where one villain failed to destroy Spider-Man, a group of them could easily beat him on upwards. I mean, in that case, why not all just attack Spider-Man at once and overwhelm him? The drawing of cards too is really silly. But of course, at no point has this slightly silly plan of Ock's ever lessened my enjoyment of this comic. This stuff is just par for the course when it comes to Silver Age comics. Each card also provides the respective villain with the location they’re supposed to fight Spidey and it’s perfectly suited for their individual powers. Not sure how that’s supposed to work since the cards were picked at random. There are some questions you're just not supposed to ask when discussing old comics! Obviously it would make more sense to have the whole group attack Spider-man all at once, but then we wouldn't get to see all these cool fight scenes at all these different locations, not to mention those big splash pages! Exaaaactly!! Having the Sinister Six attack Spider-Man individually makes for more drama, more action and more cool Ditko artwork. By the end of the issue the bad guys are all in jail, together in the same cell... Which always makes me laugh...all six bad guys sitting dejectedly in the same prison cell looking glum. To defeat Electro Spidey wraps a cable around his leg to ground himself. Apparently this isn’t the correct way to fight an electrically powered super-villain without killing yourself, so Marvel Tales makes changes to the text and the art removing the cable and stating that Spidey is not grounded. I nearly electrocute myself every time I try to fix a light switch in my basement, and don't really know enough about electricity to tell you which is the correct method! Would someone care to clarify what is the proper way to handle an electrically powered bad guy, (just in case I ever find myself in a similar situation as Spidey)? Fascinating. I had no idea about this change. I'm no expert or electrician, but I believe that is correct that Spidey being grounded with an electrical cable wrapped around his leg would kill him. Grounding or earthing is when you stand on the ground or are in direct contact with an item that's grounded to the earth. This is absolutely the worst thing to be if you are being subjected to thousands of volts of electricity because your body is mostly made up of water, and water is a great conductor. So, your body becomes the electricity's easiest path to the ground and the current will flow through you, which will result in serious injury or death. The Sinister Six storyline is a standout adventure from the early years of Spider-Man comics for me. This is partly due to the relentless pace of those repeat "Spidey vs. bad guy" scenarios, partly because it's just very cool to see all those villains banding together, but mostly because Lee and Ditko absolutely bring their A-game to this comic. Ditko's artwork in particular – both in those gorgeous splash pages and in his regular panels – has never looked better IMHO. Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 is just a tour de force. We get all of Spidey's biggest, most dangerous foes, guest-stars galore, loads of action, plenty of soap opera drama, a recap of Spidey's origin, Peter momentarily losing his powers, pin-ups, a look at how Stan and Steve create Spider-Man, and – last, but not least – J. Jonah Jameson talking to a spider! This is definitely a Top 5 comic in the Lee/Ditko run for me.
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Post by jtrw2024 on Aug 17, 2024 11:28:49 GMT -5
The Electro splash page would resurface as the re-colored cover of the first of the three Pocket Books' novel Spider-Man reprint collections, all under the Marvel Comics Series, beginning with Stan Lee Presents The Amazing Spider-Man (#81443, from 1977) reprinting TASM issues 1 - 6, and unlike Marvel Tales, the novel series boasted "All stories complete and unabridged":
Note: the novel cover Spider-Man's face has been altered to reflect the then-universal standard of Spider-Man as established by John Romita. On that subject, the covers of the next two Pocket TASM novels would feature Romita covers, despite the novels contents reprinting Ditko-era issues.
I picked up those three pocketbook reprints a while back, but I don't think I've ever read the stories in this format. They're sitting on a shelf within easy reach, so I should probably make a mental note to read these versions the next time I feel like revisiting the stories. I've flipped through them before and looked at the covers of course, but I didn't notice the redrawn face. Thanks for pointing that out. Looks like they changed the webbing pattern on the costume too. The black background is a good choice! Oh, and the original sound-effect "Whop!" has been changed to the obviously more exciting "Whok!" (as tarkintino would note in his update, at the exact moment I was typing this)
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Post by Confessor on Aug 17, 2024 11:30:47 GMT -5
Just a minor nitpick, but doesn't Annual #1 go between ASM #16 and #17, rather than after #15? No that it really matters, but yeah, the pedant in me couldn't let that go. I've seen it placed both ways. I'm not sure what the actual release date would have been, or what the intended order was. Yeah, as Slam_Bradley says, Annual #1 was published between issues #16 and #17. I even checked on Mike's Amazing World of Comics website (which is my usual trusted source on these matters) and sure enough, Annual #1 came out about a week or so after issue #16. Like I say though, it doesn't really matter too much.
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Post by jtrw2024 on Aug 17, 2024 11:39:44 GMT -5
I've seen it placed both ways. I'm not sure what the actual release date would have been, or what the intended order was. Yeah, as Slam_Bradley says, Annual #1 was published between issues #16 and #17. I even checked on Mike's Amazing World of Comics website (which is my usual trusted source on these matters) and sure enough, Annual #1 came out about a week or so after issue #16. Like I say though, it doesn't really matter too much. I'm sure I've read it both ways too, and probably have some other collected version where they put it after 16. Wonder why the recent collections put it after 15 then if there's actual trusted sources that say otherwise? If Marvel Tales had placed it either after 15 or 16, I would have stuck to their reading order, but putting it before Mysterio and Kraven's introduction was a real weird decision. Once my inevitable review for 16 is up, feel free to read these two reviews in whichever order you prefer
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Post by Confessor on Aug 17, 2024 11:41:52 GMT -5
Once my inevitable review for 16 is up, feel free to read these two reviews in whichever order you prefer Oh, I've already read and responded to your review of Annual #1. It was excellent as ever. Edit: your review, I mean, not my reply.
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Post by jtrw2024 on Aug 17, 2024 11:52:13 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, something I think you forgot to note in your review is that this is the first time Doctor Octopus telepathically summons his tentacles. I actually did mention that he can control them telepathically now that they've been removed when I talked about how he escaped from prison. Though, I did forget to mention the scene at the end when Spidey has to fight the attacking tentacles from one side, while fending off Ock's punches from the other side. Without the tentacles, Dr. Octopus is just a normal human, with no super strength, so his punches probably weren't all that effective but it's always fun to watch Spidey fending off attacks from multiple sources, especially the way Ditko draws them.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 17, 2024 12:24:13 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, something I think you forgot to note in your review is that this is the first time Doctor Octopus telepathically summons his tentacles. I actually did mention that he can control them telepathically now that they've been removed when I talked about how he escaped from prison. Though, I did forget to mention the scene at the end when Spidey has to fight the attacking tentacles from one side, while fending off Ock's punches from the other side. Without the tentacles, Dr. Octopus is just a normal human, with no super strength, so his punches probably weren't all that effective but it's always fun to watch Spidey fending off attacks from multiple sources, especially the way Ditko draws them. Ah, OK...my mistake.
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 17, 2024 13:48:25 GMT -5
Here's the original cover of Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1… Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 is my favorite comic ever. I first read it in the over-sized Marvel Special Edition #1 in the mid-1970s. I own a very beat-up copy that I bought in about 2000 for $15. I also have Marvel Tales #150, which I bought when it first came out. Nowadays, I usually read it in the Marvel Masterworks version.
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Post by jtrw2024 on Aug 17, 2024 14:00:59 GMT -5
Nowadays, I usually read it in the Marvel Masterworks version. I've got the Marvel Special Edition, and definitely love the way Ditko's art looks at that size. Marvel released a Facsimile Edition of this Annual not too long ago. It's got the same updated colours that you'll find in recent collected versions, or on Marvel Unlimited, but other than that and aside from the slightly higher price on the cover, it's got everything that the original has. Plus it gives me something to file into my collection, at least as a placeholder, in case I ever stumble onto a cheap real one!
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Post by jtrw2024 on Aug 17, 2024 18:40:49 GMT -5
THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 16 (reprinted in Marvel Tales 154) “Duel with Daredevil” Credits (as they appear in the comic): Written by Stan Lee. Master of the Spoken Word Illustrated by Steve Ditko, Dean of Dramatic Drawings Lettered by S. Rosen, Sultan of Sparkling Spelling Colored by B. Sharen, Caliph of Captivating Color Plot Synopsis: It’s a Marvelous team-up between Spidey and Daredevil against the Ringmaster & the Circus of Crime! Comments: This is the first time Spidey meets Daredevil and it’s pretty early in DD’s career as you can tell. The yellow costume would actually go through some other minor adjustments in its brief history, going from a single “D” on the chest to the more familiar double-D logo “DD” in Daredevil issue 5, (and even having a weird pouch for his civilian clothes for a brief moment). Daredevil would eventually change to his more iconic red suit in his 7th issue, The story could very well be an issue of Daredevil if someone felt like slapping a different logo on it. The entire supporting cast is here, Daredevil/Matt Murdock, along with Foggy Nelson and Karen Page. This is actually the first time a guest-star is featured so prominently on the cover. We’ve already had a few Fantastic Four appearances, (even more with just the Human Torch on his own), and an appearance from the Hulk, not to mention cameos in the Annual (depending on whether or not you read the Annual before issue 16 ) but this issue seems really like it was intended to introduce DD to the Spidey readers and maybe get them to also check out Marvel's new book on the block. The Ringmaster is also someone Marvel readers may have already been familiar with as he and the Circus of Crime first appeared in the Incredible Hulk’s 3rd issue. In his first appearance the Ringmaster dresses in red, but here he changes to a green and purple colour scheme which will remain his standard look going forward. The individual members of the Circus of Crime will become more fleshed out in their next appearance, but aside from a few members who may be recognizable here and there, their first ASM and earlier Hulk appearance will keep the actual roster vague. The subplots with the usual supporting cast are minimal in this issue, though we do get to learn a bit more about the girl Aunt May is trying to set Peter up with. We learn her name is Mary Jane Watson, of course, but that’s about it! Flash and Liz are noticeably absent, but I guess with all the extra characters on loan from Daredevil's series, something had to go. Obviously they'll be back soon enough! Somehow, even without Liz on the scene, Betty manages to get jealous when she thinks Peter is going off to the circus without her. She barely glimpses the ticket and can tell right away that it's for the circus, though she doesn't seem to notice, or question, that Peter only has admission for one. I wonder why he'd go to the bother of buying a ticket at all, since he should have no trouble sneaking in as Spider-man, especially since the circus is expecting Spidey to show up. Ah, but then we wouldn't have the usual Peter Parker drama, would we? The plot for this story plays out the same as nearly all the Circus of Crime's appearances. If you're a character in the Marvel Universe and you see there's a circus in town, chances are you're going to get hypnotized by the Ringmaster's special hat and robbed of your belongings. Sometimes though, you might get lucky and get to see a giant robot clown which is as big and as strong as the Hulk! The fight scenes between Spider-man and Daredevil, as well as with the various members of the Circus of Crime, are all well drawn and give Ditko the chance to show off his usual skills. To help readers keep track of the action, one panel even shows you where to start and tells you the order you're supposed to follow Spidey's acrobatic stunts. I'm sure that even if these pictures weren't numbered, it would look just as good with Spidey moving in the opposite direction. Of course, since this is Spider-man's series, and not a Daredevil comic in disguise, DD sits-out at the end of the final battle to let Spidey finish things off on his own. What a polite guest-star. You wouldn't catch a showoff like the Human Torch doing something like that! Notable differences in the reprint: Other than the addition of the Marvel Mails letters page, there aren't a lot of major changes here. Tom DeFalco, editor. Eliot Brown, Assistant Editor. The re-colouring on the cover gives the background a little more depth, but that’s about it. No significant flipping, shifting or other alterations here. The splash page has some minor shifting for the credits, and some words get removed. Anyone who has been reading these stories already knows to expect "Action", "Thrills" and "Suspense" on the inside. If not, they'd find out soon enough! Bob Sharen does the colours this issue. It seems that anytime anyone other than Andy Yanchus re-colours these stories Peter gets a new coloured suit! A footnote which tells you where the Ringmaster first appeared is removed from the Marvel Tales reprint. It's not too important to the plot anyway. Personal anecdotes: This is an issue I saw on the newsstand multiple times in 1983, but for some reason I never got it. Not sure why, since it was from a time when I was always excited to read a new Marvel Tales issue. I assume, those trips to the store were for something other than comics, cause if my parents let me pick put something, I certainly would have got this one. I already had the next issue, so this one must’ve been sitting on the stands from a previous month. I definitely stared at the cover enough times in the store and even noticed the similarity to the way the Ringmaster was posed, to Kraven’s stance on the previous issue's cover. I wouldn’t actually get to read this for another 10 years or so when it was reprinted in Spider-man Megazine issue 1. A friend of mine was really in to Daredevil when this Marvel Tales was new. He called him "The Man WITH Fear", but we were seven so probably didn't care much when we got things really wrong. My friend had some sort of trading card with a picture of DD’s first issue and a description on the back with his origin. He also had a pocketbook which he loaned to me (soon after I would get my own copy of this too, which is still right there on the shelf next to all my other pocketbooks that I never read because I've got the same stories in other formats). The pocketbook reprinted two Wally Wood Daredevil stories, one yellow suit, one red suit (even though it was in b/w I could still tell which one was which). The DD stories it reprinted were really similar to the stories I was reading in Marvel Tales, so I really enjoyed those. I probably knew Daredevil was supposed to be red, but didn’t really have a problem adjusting to the idea that he used to have a different outfit. I’d seen old Superman cartoons from Fleischer where he looked different than what I was used to from more recent comics, or the movies and I knew Batman didn’t always have the yellow oval, so superheroes with costumes that were different from what I was familiar with wasn’t such a big deal, even at such a young age.
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 17, 2024 23:00:51 GMT -5
I read the first appearance of Kraven very early on when I started reading comics regularly because I came across the 1960s paperback that reprinted Spider-Man #13 and #15 and, I think, one of the stories from Spider-Man #1. My grandmother had a lot of books in several bookcases around her house, and it included quite a few books that my father and his siblings and maybe some other relatives have stored at her house at some point. She had a couple of very early editions of some of the Tarzan books by Edgar Rice Burroughs, and I had read those a few years earlier. So late in 1975 or early 1976, she saw that I was reading comics, and she said she thought there was a Spider-Man paperback in one of the bookcases. I looked around and found it, and it was part of my collection for a while. #13 and #15 are such great stories! I’m pretty sure it was the first time I saw Mysterio. But I had seen Kraven before. There was a Spider-Man model in the 1970s in which old Spidey was spreading a bunch of webbing over a defeated Kraven at the bottom of a stairwell. One of my friends had purchased the model and he had all the pieces laid out on his desk, but he hadn’t put it together yet because he didn’t have the right paint for it. He wanted to paint it first. It came with a little comic book, and I remember flipping through that, and thinking that Kraven’s lion-mane on his costume was his hair. I thought it was weird that his hair seem to be growing out of his shoulders. Kraven is great! Almost all of his appearances in the 1960s and the 1970s are really good. My favorite is Spider-Man #34. You know what? I am misremembered this a little bit. That paperback didn’t have #15 in it. Seeing the review for #16 reminded me that the reprints in the black-and-white paperback were actually one of the stories from #1, #13 and #16. I think the first time I saw the first Kraven story was when I bought my own copy of #15 for about $15 later in the 1970s.
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 18, 2024 3:21:17 GMT -5
The circus in Avengers #1 that Hulk performed in as the "robot clown" wasn't Ringmaster's. As revealed in West Coast Avengers Annual #1, it was the Keebler Circus.
Cei-U! I summon the big top brouhaha!
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