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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 7:40:38 GMT -5
Also vaguely remember this one show, something about prepubescent genetically-modified shinobi tortoises or something? Right on the tip of my brain... Gumby was one of my absolute favorites, used to watch it after school all the time, but I had never heard of Trap Door! My wife (who is big into clay/stop motion) and I are watching it now, what a cool show. Oh, and TMNT will definitely be getting some spotlight, it was my favorite late 80's "gateway to the 90's show", total classic. Heroes in a half shell, turtle power!!
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 2, 2024 7:51:28 GMT -5
I did see some of The Trap Door - and I remember playing the computer game (Amstrad). Did we ever find out what was down that trap door?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2024 8:03:54 GMT -5
Filmation had an hour-long show that launched in 1981 called The Kid Super Power Hour With Shazam!.
One half of the show was a feature called Hero High that was meant to feature Archie characters, but due to a change in licensing during production they just genericized into "Archie like". I didn't see this back in the day, I've got it on DVD now though and it's just ok in my opinion.
But the real jewel for me is the other feature which is Shazam!, and it's pretty much a straight comic book take of the classic CM and family with Mary and Freddy, and even Tawky Tawny and Uncle Dudley having prominent roles. While it definitely is the light-hearted, often silly/zany tone of the classic source material, it's an absolute treat how true to form this series is. Captain Marvel even has the exact C.C. Beck look! Plus you get plenty of the villains, lots of Mr. Mind and Sivana, even Black Adam and Ibac. If you are an old school CM/Shazam fan, definitely worth seeking out (my son was kind enough to burn me off a DVD of all 12 episodes).
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Post by jtrw2024 on Sept 2, 2024 9:12:49 GMT -5
Back on Spider-Man, while as mentioned I enjoyed Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends back in the day, I didn't realize until more recent years their was a second Spider-Man cartoon that launched that same year. That's right, Spidey got 2 cartoons in 1981! The second one was just called Spider-Man, though I discovered it as a UK DVD release titled Spider-Man 5000 (the 5000 added just to differentiate the various Spidey DVD releases). It's a more straightforward take on Spidey, and plenty of classic villains, I've really enjoyed watching this one too! Curious if anyone else remembers it, I'm pretty sure it didn't air where I lived when I was a kid. It's currently also available on Disney+ if anyone is curious. Here's the opening: This was a cartoon I had no idea even existed and was pleasantly surprised when I eventually discovered it. I watched Spider-man and His Amazing Friends during its original run, and saw all the episodes, but thought that was it as far as 80s Spidey cartoons went. I'd seen the 1960s show in reruns, and some of the live action series, as well as the Electric Company segments, but I'm positive this never aired on any channel in my area. Sometime around 1996 or 97 I saw a VHS containing 3 Marvel cartoons in a Wal-Mart store. It had one episode each from this Spider-man series, Pryde of the X-men and a Herbie the Robot era Fantastic Four. I was mainly interested in getting it because I wanted a copy of Pryde of the X-men, but of course Spider-man and the FF were cool too. From the description on the back of the box, I just assumed it was an episode of Spider-man and His Amazing Friends which I hadn't seen in years. I didn't have internet access at the time, so it really blew my mind to discover that there was this whole Spider-man series that I knew nothing about. After that I began to notice that the video stores were full of VHS tapes of this series. Usually with only a single episode for the ridiculous price of $10 apiece, but I got them anyway, at least as many as I could find. It occurred to me that I had seen these tapes in stores for years, but didn't realize what they were since they just used generic comic looking cover art which I assumed didn't reflect the contents. I thought they were probably just old episodes from the 1960s series. I'd eventually realize that I'd even seen clips from episodes on a Marvel documentary that had been airing a lot in the early 90s, but still assumed they were from Amazing Friends. Overall it's a fun series. It's similar enough in style and tone to Spider-man and His Amazing Friends, and even with some different voice actors, and conflicting continuity (it seems some episodes even use variations on the same scripts), I consider it a prequel to Amazing Friends and that's the order I usually watch it. The Dr. Doom arc which plays across multiple episodes throughout the series is a definite high-point!
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Sept 2, 2024 9:22:21 GMT -5
I definitely watched Shazam! during it's original run but I was very young and only have the faintest memories. I've had the eps saved on YouTube for ages but have never got around to watching (same with the 1940s serial)
I too was completely unaware of the existence of the early 80s Spider-Man cartoon until much later. Pretty sure it never aired where I lived. I wonder why it had such limited syndication
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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2024 9:58:49 GMT -5
Here's my youth in Youtube intros:
And my absolute favorite, that virtually no one remembers today (even getting a good quality video on Youtube was hard!):
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 2, 2024 10:07:57 GMT -5
shaxper, I don't know what it is, but older cartoon shows seemed to have far more personality in their openings than they do now. Though I will admit that the intro from Voltron Force is kind of a banger
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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2024 10:11:20 GMT -5
shaxper, I don't know what it is, but older cartoon shows seemed to have far more personality in their openings than they do now. I think there's less time invested in making them. Now that virtually every household has a gaming console (not to mention smartphones) toys don't sell to kids on the levels that they used to, so spending time on an elaborate extended toy commercial just isn't as profitable as it was in the early days of de-regulated Saturday morning cartoons. They may not have had AI at their disposal until recently, but they certainly had software that allowed them to make cartoons faster and cheaper, with a lot less artistry. And yes, that intro is pretty cool.
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Post by jtrw2024 on Sept 2, 2024 10:27:22 GMT -5
And my absolute favorite, that virtually no one remembers today (even getting a good quality video on Youtube was hard!): I haven't seen Bionic Six in decades, but it was always a favourite of mine (though it shares space with a lot of other 80s and 90s cartoons). There's a definite Fantastic Four influence on this show, with a bit of Six-Million Dollar Man/Bionic Woman mixed in (even going so far as to cast Alan Oppenheimer in a very similar lead role) The animation was by TMS (Tokyo Movie Shinsha) who worked on plenty of anime, and lent their awesome talents to plenty of popular American shows from the 80s (DuckTales, Mighty Orbots, Real Ghostbusters, Inspector Gadget) and 90s (Batman, Superman, Spider-man, Gargoyles, Peter Pan and the Pirates, CyberSix) (to name a few)
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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2024 10:33:07 GMT -5
And my absolute favorite, that virtually no one remembers today (even getting a good quality video on Youtube was hard!): I haven't seen Bionic Six in decades, but it was always a favourite of mine (though it shares space with a lot of other 80s and 90s cartoons). There's a definite Fantastic Four influence on this show, with a bit of Six-Million Dollar Man/Bionic Woman mixed in (even going so far as to cast Alan Oppenheimer in a very similar lead role) It actually was originally intended as a spin-off of the Six Million Dollar Man. And while the animation was first rate, and the family aspect was so darn wholesome, what attracted me the most were the complex characters and surprisingly deep story writing. In hindsight, the writing of this show felt a lot like that of 21 Jumpstreet--a show aimed at a far more mature audience--in that these characters had backstories, complex arcs developing in the background, and even ghosts in their closets. Even as a kid, I was drawn to great writing, and those two otherwise extremely different shows kept compelling me as a result. And (to be clear), I mean great writing for 1980s broadcast television. This stuff probably wouldn't hold up today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2024 8:45:32 GMT -5
Let's talk about one of the titans of the decade, the Transformers.
Hands down some of the coolest toys of the decade for sure (originally derived from Takara's Microman/MicroChange and Diaclone toys, but as a kid I didn't know that at the time!). Soundwave was a definitely a standout, with the Sony Walkman and audio cassettes so ingrained in the times already, this was such a cool concept. Also loved the Constructicons and the whole combiner concept like with Devastator. The Dinobots were cool too, Grimlock became a bit of a scene stealer in the show in my opinion. The Insecticons were neat as well, the list goes on and on.
And the show was killer, 2 regular seasons, then the animated movie and the events that unfolded there and carried into a full 3rd season. I want to talk about the events in that 3rd one in a moment, and then what went down with the short "4th season" that was 3 episodes called "The Rebirth" that ended the US series but a separate continuation that happened in Japan.
Before that, here's a great video that runs 8:40 with all the season openings, credits, and also those great commercial bumpers. The voice of that gentleman with "The Transformers will return after these messages", didn't he make you feel like you were in the midst of something epic and very serious going on?
The first 2 seasons were classic Optimus leading the Autobots and Megatron leading the Decepticons and a growing cast of characters. It was set contemporary to the time it aired, 1984 initially. Then came the movie in 1986 taking place after season 2, but time skips ahead to 2005. Unicron is the antagonist, taking things crazy next level as a planet sized Transformer and voiced by none other than Orson Welles very shortly before his passing.
Serious things go down in the movie including the infamous death of Optimus of course, the backlash being so strong that a very last minute decision not to kill Duke in the upcoming G.I. Joe movie was made (accomplished through a voiceover dub since the animation was complete). Megatron himself is nearly killed as well, and famously rebuilt by Unicron into Galvatron voiced by Leonard Nimoy in the movie. Galvatron literally disintegrating the usurping Starscream was quite the scene as well, another shocker that suggested the stakes were a little higher than the show had previously been.
Visually the movie really does have beautiful animation. A big strength, and something I found with a lot of 80's cartoons (and earlier) are those gorgeous painted backgrounds. The Cybertron-like world of Lithone that Unicron destroys in the beginning is a visual feast that stands the test of time and I prefer to much modern animation.
Let's also talk about that soundtrack. Yeah, there's some hair metal content, and the bands involved are actually quite excellent. That opening theme song was performed by Lion which featured guitar hotshot (and one of my heroes) Doug Aldrich. Kick Axe was another seriously great band of the day (not related to the movie, their "Vices" album is a classic), and they did a track for the album as well. Plus Stan Bush with both "The Touch" and "Dare", uplifting and catchy as heck classics. Even Weird Al appears (comedy aside, also quite musically legit) with "Dare to be Stupid".
But equally important beyond the hard rock aspects were the keyboard driven atmospheric pieces performed by Vince DiCola who had just done similar work on the Rocky IV soundtrack the year before. "Death of Optimus Prime" is a particular standout.
After the movie, we head back to television with Season 3. Carrying on from the movie you have the Quintessons having a big role, Galvatron continuing to be the bad guy, and eventually the resurrection of Optimus. The season ends with a greater menace forcing Galvatron and Optimus to form an alliance. Probably my favorite line of the entire series happens at the end when, after defeating the menace and coming to a bit of a crossroads Galvatron says to Optimus, "There will be no war today Optimus Prime. You have earned the respect of Galvatron." They could have ended the series there IMO, it was the perfect closure.
But more episodes were ordered up as mentioned, the 3-part "Rebirth", and it tries to enter new territory both character-wise and with introducing the "Headmasters" concept which are humans inside the heads of the Transformers and providing some level of complementary control to their operations (the idea was that the "fusion" of the two somehow would make them even more effective). Interesting idea, but I did not find the episodes all that great.
Evidently Takara (who were both the Japanese producers of the toyline and also had been importing the US series into Japan up until that point) agreed, and did not like this new season. They continued on with their own series, Transformers: The Headmasters, which picked up after Season 3 but discarded the "Rebirth" episodes. I finally was able to watch this Japanese series on DVD and honestly, it's much better in my opinion. Here is the opening:
Japan would continue to keep G1 going in fact with more series after Headmasters (1987-1988) including Super-God Masterforce (1988-1989), Victory (1989), and Zone (1990).
Transformers...more than meets the eye indeed!!
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Post by commond on Sept 3, 2024 9:48:37 GMT -5
He-Man was my thing in kindergarten until Transformers blew my mind in '85. The outro was such a banger.
The Season 3 outro with the techno/choir mix was next level:
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 3, 2024 9:53:34 GMT -5
Transformers is awesome. I enjoyed how the cartoons and toyline kept doing new things, e.g. the Dinobots.
Soundwave and Ravage are my favourites.
Although I haven’t seen a lot of the spin-offs, I like the idea behind, say, Beast Wars: Transformers.
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Post by commond on Sept 3, 2024 10:01:37 GMT -5
This never fails to make me laugh. NSFW.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2024 10:10:29 GMT -5
Transformers is awesome. I enjoyed how the cartoons and toyline kept doing new things, e.g. the Dinobots. Soundwave and Ravage are my favourites. Although I haven’t seen a lot of the spin-offs, I like the idea behind, say, Beast Wars: Transformers. I love Beast Wars, sure the CGI is pretty rough to modern eyes, but it captured a feel that worked for that series and at the time was pretty new and awesome of course. Blackarachnia and Waspinator were a couple of favorites for me, another show I still enjoy going back and revisiting.
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