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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 13:02:19 GMT -5
Same comment applies to the art as well. But, no, no. That art. That is some of the worst art I have ever seen on X-Men before, and that is including Garney's art during Austen's run. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 27, 2014 13:21:51 GMT -5
The art during Morrison's run?
Quitely did alright, I thought. Clean and detailed. I loved Kordey's dark and messy-looking approach, too.
The other artists were serviceable, I thought, but I didn't much care for Silvestri… I dislike that kind of early 90s Image art with big-breasted waifs and hulking machos wearing painted-on jeans.
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 27, 2014 13:29:15 GMT -5
The art during Morrison's run? Quitely did alright, I thought. Quitely grew on me while I was reading All-Star Superman, but at first I called it "Cabbage-Patch Superman."
(Well, I kept calling it that even after I started appreciating it. Because it's funny.)
I was long gone from X-Men when Morrison was writing it. I can't imagine that Morrison's X-Men was any good. Could it possibly be as mediocre (at best) as his Batman?
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Post by badwolf on Nov 27, 2014 13:40:37 GMT -5
While I'm no fan of Morrison's X-Men, I find it hard to argue it's worse than previous 12 years of stories. Although I didn't like his final story arc, I thought Morrison's work was just the shot in the arm the franchise needed. The first hardcover was the most exciting thing I'd read in a long time. The only art I thought was bad was Igor Kordey's and Marc Silvestri's. Love Quitely and Jimenez was very good too. |
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Post by December on Nov 27, 2014 13:51:01 GMT -5
While I'm no fan of Morrison's X-Men, I find it hard to argue it's worse than previous 12 years of stories. Although I didn't like his final story arc, I thought Morrison's work was just the shot in the arm the franchise needed. The first hardcover was the most exciting thing I'd read in a long time. The only art I thought was bad was Igor Kordey's and Marc Silvestri's. Love Quitely and Jimenez was very good too. Bachalo was also (as always) very good on the Assault on Weapon Plus arc. |
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Post by badwolf on Nov 27, 2014 13:56:43 GMT -5
Forgot about Bachalo! Yes, I love him too!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 14:09:11 GMT -5
The art during Morrison's run? Quitely did alright, I thought. Clean and detailed I loved Kordey's dark and messy-looking approach, too. The other artists were serviceable, I thought, but I didn't much care for Silvestri… I dislike that kind of early 90s Image art with big-breasted waifs and hulking machos wearing painted-on jeans. I know, my dislike of his art is not often agreed with. I just do not care for his style, specifically on the X-Men. Robin was quite cute drawn by him, though. |
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 27, 2014 15:08:29 GMT -5
Even putting aside the issue of Jean, I never understood how X-Factor could have worked in the Marvel Universe. There was some prejudice against mutants, but at that point they were still people with rights. How could this group function as a public entity, going around and "neutralizing" mutants? (That wasn't what they were actually doing, of course, but that was their cover.) Because being a mutant in the 616 America is like being black in the actual America with a little black added. |
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 27, 2014 15:08:48 GMT -5
Even putting aside the issue of Jean, I never understood how X-Factor could have worked in the Marvel Universe. There was some prejudice against mutants, but at that point they were still people with rights. How could this group function as a public entity, going around and "neutralizing" mutants? (That wasn't what they were actually doing, of course, but that was their cover.) Because being a mutant in the 616 America is like being black in the actual America with a little black added. |
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Post by badwolf on Nov 27, 2014 15:14:08 GMT -5
Even putting aside the issue of Jean, I never understood how X-Factor could have worked in the Marvel Universe. There was some prejudice against mutants, but at that point they were still people with rights. How could this group function as a public entity, going around and "neutralizing" mutants? (That wasn't what they were actually doing, of course, but that was their cover.) Because being a mutant in the 616 America is like being black in the actual America with a little black added. And when was the last time it was legal for a group to go around neutralizing blacks? |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 27, 2014 15:16:56 GMT -5
Because being a mutant in the 616 America is like being black in the actual America with a little black added. And when was the last time it was legal for a group to go around neutralizing blacks? Well, there's this place called Ferguson, Mo. ...
So the answer to your question is ... now.
Unfortunately.
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Post by badwolf on Nov 27, 2014 15:22:52 GMT -5
And when was the last time it was legal for a group to go around neutralizing blacks? Well, there's this place called Ferguson, Mo. ...
So the answer to your question is ... now.
Unfortunately.
I'm talking about a group specifically set up and operating publicly with that aim, not one rogue element. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 27, 2014 15:40:22 GMT -5
Well, there's this place called Ferguson, Mo. ...
So the answer to your question is ... now.
Unfortunately.
I'm talking about a group specifically set up and operating publicly with that aim, not one rogue element. If the offending police officer was a "rogue element," I think we might have had a slightly different outcome with regards to the grand jury.
Still, you're right that the police don't generally "operate publicly" with the aim of suppressing the rights of minorities. Well, actually, they kind of do operate publicly with that aim, and if you judge them by their actions instead of their code words, it's not that well-disguised.
They just don't advertise with the tagline "Get out of town by sundown." Not anymore, anyway.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 27, 2014 15:42:55 GMT -5
Although I didn't like his final story arc, I thought Morrison's work was just the shot in the arm the franchise needed. The first hardcover was the most exciting thing I'd read in a long time. The only art I thought was bad was Igor Kordey's and Marc Silvestri's. Love Quitely and Jimenez was very good too. Bachalo was also (as always) very good on the Assault on Weapon Plus arc. AARGH!!!I forgot about Bachalo! You're right, I loved what he did on that title. |
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 27, 2014 15:51:38 GMT -5
Don't want to derail this thread any further into a politics thread,but considering stuff like the Minute Men in Arizona, and that Bundy idiot, I could totally see an organization like X-Factor in some of the Southern states in light of what a threat to national security superpowered beings would be. |
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