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Post by Confessor on Jan 4, 2024 23:33:25 GMT -5
Superhero films today actually have to be dumb and simplistic because we live in an age where (thanks largely to social media) actually trying to say something inevitably comes with backlash. If you make a statement (no matter what statement) someone out there is going to take issue with it and rally their friends to agree. So we tell the same story over and over and over and over again because it's the safe thing to do. If true -- and I'm not entirely convinced that you're right about this -- that seems rather cowardly. And art should never be cowardly. So if you are right, that's just another reason to despise modern superhero films.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 4, 2024 22:17:44 GMT -5
I turned 18 in December 1974, so I have a draft card. I even have a scan of it that I can post if anyone wants to see it. I'd be interested in seeing that, Rob. As an armchair student of 20th century history -- and of '60s social, political and cultural history in particular -- the Vietnam War has long been an interest of mine. Especially so concerning its impact on young American men of the era. I'm really enjoying this thread, codystarbuck. I'm most lurking though, on account of it being so well written and researched that it leaves me very little to comment on. But even though I may not be commenting, rest assured that I am watching. 👀
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Post by Confessor on Jan 4, 2024 21:44:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace is pretty terrible from just about every angle. I tend to think that there was a potentially good film in there somewhere, but there were a LOT of problems with it that prevented us getting that good film.
The script was dire, Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor was at best redundant and at worst an overly silly annoyance (and don't get me started on his nephew!), and Margot Kidder's Lois Lane -- who was one of the franchise's best characters -- is largely sidelined and underused. Nuclear Man is dire and his costume looked utterly terrible: like some reject from Masters of the Universe! They'd have been better off just using Neutron from the comics, who had a much cooler costume! And, of course, the lack of a serious budget (due to the production company's financial problems) meant that the special effects looked awful for the times.
The comic adaptation (with art by Curt Swan and Don Heck) is actually way more enjoyable than the film. For one thing, it doesn't suffer from terrible looking special effects, but like many film adaptations, it's actually based on an early shooting script and so includes several scenes that were removed from the finished film that in a number of cases actually improve the story. For example, there is a deleted sub-plot about the first failed Nuclear Man -- who was essentially the movie version of Bizarro.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 3, 2024 16:04:48 GMT -5
I've never participated in one of these threads before, so let's give it a go.
JANUARY - Total: 23 Amazing Spider-Man #515-520 Spectacular Spider-Man (2003) #23-26 Blake & Mortimer: The Secret of the Swordfish, pt. 1* [= 3 comics] Blake & Mortimer: The Secret of the Swordfish, pt. 2* [= 3 comics] Blake & Mortimer: The Secret of the Swordfish, pt. 3* [= 3 comics] Angel & The Ape (1968) #5* Doctor Strange (1974) #11* and #13* Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD (1968) #4*
FEBRUARY - Total: 38 Amazing Spider-Man #521-543 Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #1-4 Marvel Knights: Spider-Man #19-22 Daredevil (1964) #1, 8, 16 Monster Masterworks TPB* [= 4 comics]
MARCH - Total: 16 Amazing Spider-Man #544 and #545 Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #24 The Sensational Spider-Man #41 Doctor Strange (1974) #15-18* Fantastic Four #71-73* Giant-Size X-Men #1* Uncanny X-Men #94-95*, #141-142*
APRIL - Total: 11 Uncanny X-Men #96-103* Doctor Strange #19*, #20* and #22*
MAY - Total: 12 Fantasy Quarterly #1 Elfquest #2-5 Sandman: Endless Nights* [= 7 comics]
JUNE - Total: 6 Star Wars: Dark Empire #1-6
JULY - Total: 13 Detective Comics #524* and 526 Tales of the Jedi #1-5 Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man #13* and #58* Doctor Strange #14* Amazing Spider-Man #184* and #186* Weird Western Tales #29*
AUGUST - Total: 40 Tales of the Jedi: The Freedon Nadd Uprising #1-2 Amazing Fantasy #15 Amazing Spider-Man #1-29 Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 and #2 Elfquest #6-10 Nemesis: The Warlock #1
SEPTEMBER - Total: 27 Amazing Spider-Man #30-50 Nemesis: The Warlock #2 Daredevil #64-66 Star Wars: Dark Empire II #1
OCTOBER Amazing Spider-Man #51-67 Flash Gordon: The Movie* [= 3 comics]
October total: 20
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2024 Total: 205
Publisher breakdown Marvel: 156 DC: 11 Dark Horse: 14 WaRP: 10 Others: 14
*indicates comics I haven't read before.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 3, 2024 9:51:43 GMT -5
I've gotta agree with Irvin Kershner: I agree. Star Wars was never science fiction. It's Space Fantasy, pure and simple.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 3, 2024 8:21:01 GMT -5
There are lies and there are bald faced lies. He doesn't mean he never ever lies. No one in this world can do that. " Honey, do I look fat in this dress? " Exactly. Honesty is not the best policy: compassion is the best policy. A white lie to spare someone's feelings is an honourable thing.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2024 22:15:51 GMT -5
Ok, out of curiosity I watched the scene more carefully (I hadn't seen the film in a while). According to the excellent movie-censorship site it is one of the scenes that was not changed in either the Extended Edition or the Directors Cut. The dialogues are taken from subtitles (I wrote only the relevant parts). (Luthor is fiddling with what appears to be a slide rule while consulting a book whose title I can't read. Otis and Teschmacher are reading the Lois' interview to Superman) Luthor: Now, then... given the exact location of the galaxy that he mentions... and the proximity to our own solar system... it's amazing! Amazing! Too good to be true! [...] L.: In the interview, he says that the planet Krypton exploded in 1948. Ridiculous little freak took three years in a rocket ship to get to Earth. [...] L.: Fragments from the planet Krypton exploded and went into outer space. L.: It is reasonable to assume that some of those particles of debris drifted to Earth. (Why it should be "reasonable"? Krypton was literally in another galaxy). Teschmacher: Meteorites! [...] (Luthor tears a page from a book and throws it towards O. and T.) T.: A meteorite found in Addis Ababa? Uh, I know I'm gonna get rapped in the mouth for this, but so what? L.: So what? You mean, to us they are just meteorites. Fair enough. But the level of specific radioactivity is so high to anyone from the planet Krypton, this substance is lethal. (WTF?!?!) Okay, this is worse than I remember. Luthor makes some truly remarkable leaps of logic. He's convinced that that meteorite comes from Krypton. With a lot of effort I can even believe it, maybe it arrived at the same time (but why then? It took the same time as Kal-El's capsule which I imagine was driven by some engine?) and the fact that it was glowing and green was quite peculiar. But then BHAM! "so it must be lethal for Superman!!!". I can feel the palpable pain of the writers. "Okay, why does Luthor know that Kryptonite can kill Superman?" "Because!" "It seems enough to me, let's move on the next scene.." I think you're being a little unfair to the writers here. Something to remember is that most of the dialogue you quote is not Luthor thinking out loud and fathoming out the existence of Kryptonite right there and then. He'd already worked a lot of it out earlier off-camera. As that scene opens, it's clear that he's been in his library reasearching this for a while. So what he's really doing in the scene is putting the finishing touches to his theory, while explaining it to his two dimwit colleagues, Otis and Miss Teschmacher. It's established in the film that Luthor has a genius-level intellect. The greatest criminal mind on the planet, no less! So, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that using the exact location of the destroyed planet (which he gleaned from Lois Lane's exclusive interview with Superman) he worked out the probable trajectory and speed of the fragments of the destroyed planet (no engine needed...once something starts moving in space it just keeps going). Lex deduced -- correctly, as it turns out -- that these fragments would be irradiated by Krypton's sun with a specific radioactivity that would be lethal to any surviving Kryptonians because...you know...comic book science and stuff! So, it was then simply a case of researching any unusual green meteorites that had been recorded as having fallen to Earth during the expected impact window (which would have been some years after Kal-El's powered ship had arrived), and that's precisely what Luthor finds in the copy of National Geographic: a rare green meteorite in Addis Ababa. Now granted, it's all a little far fetched, but this is a movie about a man who can fly and outrun a speeding bullet, lest we forget. I can buy that a genius mind like Lex's could potentially work this stuff out. You have to just relax a little and enjoy the film for what it is.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2024 17:13:13 GMT -5
I started to get superhero movie fatigue in about 2008, around the time of the first Iron Man movie. Most of these films are just dumb action movies, aimed at the lowest common denominator cinema audience, with terrible scripts and all the emotional and intellectual depth of a washing detergent advert.
God knows I love superhero comic books, but most superhero comic movies from the past 20 years suck (with a handful of exceptions, naturally).
EDIT: It occurs to me that my above post might sound a bit insulting to fans of these superhero films, which was not my intention at all. I have no negative attitude towards people who like modern superhero films -- hell, my wife loves them! -- but they just aren't for me.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2024 16:43:10 GMT -5
I'm realizing now that the original trilogy didn't do a good job of clearly conveying the passage of time... I suspect that if you look at most films they don't do a very good job of accurately conveying the passage of time. Filmmakers are far more concerned with the business of telling a good story on film, naturally. The difference with Star Wars is that it attracts nerds like us who examine the tiniest minutiae of the story, whereas the vast majority of other films don't attract that level of scrutiny.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2024 15:52:29 GMT -5
Uh, very stupid and unrelated question: how much time passed from the death of Luke's adoptive parents to when the Millenium Falcon was captured? On another forum we had a discussion about how much of the Way of the Jedi Obi-Wan taught Luke when the former was still alive and I have the impression that the total duration of the Jedi 101 course was about 15 minutes, including the bathroom breaks... Sounds about right, especially considering that the entire training of Luke by Yoda took the same time as a flight from Hoth to Bespin, with a short stop inside the belly of big worm! I think we badly need some Interstellar-type black holes somewhere to make these timelines make sense! There was no use of hyperspace travel in the journey from Hoth to Bespin though (it was broken, remember?). So, it would've taken a loooong time to get there. Plus, there's no way of telling exactly how long the Falcon was hidden in the asteroid cavern/space slug belly -- it could've been a week! Two weeks, maybe! So there was potentially a lot more time than you might at first think for Yoda to train Luke on Dagobah. EDIT: In my headcanon, it took the Falcon about a month to travel from Hoth to Bespin.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2024 15:47:57 GMT -5
A criticism I've noticed some make of the prequels is how fast hyperspace travel is depicted, with travel between Tatooine and Coruscant being equivalent to a half-hour drive into town, but this has been an issue with Star Wars since the beginning. Yeah, traveling through hyperspace has always been depicted like that, right from the very first time it was shown (the journey from Tatooine to Alderaan in Episode IV). how much time passed from the death of Luke's adoptive parents to when the Millenium Falcon was captured It's impossible to say for certain, but it can't have been long -- a couple of days, at most, I'd say. Possibly only a few hours! Obi-Wan Kenobi was already very keen to get off of Tatooine quickly and deliver the Death Star plans that R2-D2 was carrying to Alderaan by the time Luke discovered his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru had been murdered by stormtroopers. So, after they finished burning the bodies of the dead Jawas, the trip to Mos Eisley would have been the following the day at the latest. Maybe even later the same day? Luke and Kenobi found a pilot to take them to Alderaan in the Mos Eisley cantina very quickly -- Kenobi was chatting to Chewbacca almost as soon as he reached the bar, after all. Selling Luke's landspeeder and arriving at docking bay 94 probably only took them a few hours at most. Then, in the scene where Kenobi is training Luke in the Millennium Falcon's lounge, it's clear that when Han arrives that he has come directly from the cockpit where we last saw him. We can tell this because he says, "Well, you can forget your troubles with those Imperial slugs. I told you I'd outrun 'em" (clearly referring to when he made the jump to hyperspace to escape the Imperial Star Destroyers). Obviously, Luke, Kenobi and Chewbacca had left the cockpit before Solo and gone into the lounge area (maybe Solo was keeping an eye on the Falcon's systems or monitoring whether the Star Destroyers were following them through hyperspace?). Regardless, Han had clearly stayed in the cockpit for a little while -- long enough for Chewbacca and R2 to begin a game of holo-chess and for Kenobi to start training Luke. The amount of time that Han was with the other's in the Falcon's lounge is as long as it takes the scene to play in the film because at the end of the scene an alarm sounds to notify them that they're "coming up on Alderaan." They then all go to the cockpit, Han cuts the sub-light engines, and they arrive at what is left of Alderaan. They then encounter the stray TIE Fighter almost immediately and follow it to the "small moon", which obviously turns out to be the Death Star, resulting in the Falcon being captured. So, the trip through hyperspace from Tatooine to Alderaan can't have taken more than a couple of hours (and that's only if Han stayed on his own in the cockpit for an hour or more). Likely, it was under an hour! So yeah, it's impossible to narrow it down any more precisely, but the time from Luke discovering his dead Aunt and Uncle to the Falcon being captured by the Death Star could only have been a couple of days at most and maybe only 6 or so hours at the shortest.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2024 12:51:44 GMT -5
At first glance I thought this was Tin Tin.
Yeah, the artwork it is very Tintin-esque because it uses the same ligne claire style that Hergé pioneered (lots of bande dessinée books are drawn in this style -- Hergé was a very influential artist). As I noted in my earlier post, Edgar P. Jacobs was a friend of Hergé's and helped out on the artwork on a number of the Tintin books in the 1940s, with perhaps his biggest contribution being to 1949's Prisoners of the Sun.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2024 9:00:03 GMT -5
Over Christams I treated myself to all three volumes of the Blake & Mortimer adventure, The Secret of the Swordfish... This is the first Blake & Mortimer story, though weirdly it was published as volumes 15-17 in the English translations. For the uninitiated, the Blake & Mortimer stories are 1950s "buddy adventure" detective yarns, in the "whodunit?" style. The books centre around the inseparable team of Captain Francis Blake and Philip Mortimer, two upstanding and heroic, pipe-smoking, upper class English gentlemen. The books are written and drawn by Edgar P. Jacobs, who was a friend and colaberator of Hergé's and, as a result, Jacobs's artwork employes the same ligne claire style that Hergé pioneered in the Adventures of Tintin. I've read a good half dozen of the later B&M adventures, but I'm really looking forward to getting stuck into the duo's inaugural outing.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 31, 2023 3:26:30 GMT -5
berkley -- There is a large print version of The Fall of Numenor available in paperback already. I can't imagine that demand for large print books is as high as for regular paperbacks, so I'd still say there's plenty of hope for a paperback edition somewhere down the line. Also, the previous Tolkien book, The Nature of Middle-earth from 2021, came out in paperback in 2023. So, again, I'd say there is every possibility of a regular paperback edition of The Fall of Numenor too.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 31, 2023 2:37:02 GMT -5
My classic comics goals for 2024 are really just a continuation of my 2023 goals -- on account of the fact that I didn't actually achieve all that many of them.
Like last year, I intend to continue buying issues from runs I'm trying to complete, like Steve Englehart's Dr. Strange, Bronze Age Jonah Hex, and the late 60s Nick Fury series. I want to make more of an effort to actually buy some new comics from these runs this year and try to make some decent strides towards completing them.
But again like last year, my biggest goals for 2024 will be re-reading ones. I still want to re-read the following long-ish runs in my collection...
• Alias (including The Pulse and Jessica Jones series) • Astro City • Batman: Knightfall/Knights Quest/Nights End • Elfquest - the first 10 years (1978-1988) • Fables (issues #1-75) • Justice (New Universe) #1-32 • Miracleman (want to re-read this as Marvel is now publishing the long-awaited conclusion) • Star Wars: Dark Times
I have no plans to start any review threads in 2024.
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