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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 5, 2017 0:01:59 GMT -5
X-Men #32 'Beware the Juggernaut, my son!' Thomas/Roth/Tartaglione It's Bobby's 18th Birthday, and the gang are celebrbating at Coffee A-Go-Go, courtesy of Zelda, who has a Bebop band and Bernard the Poet as entertainment. Warren brings Candy Southern to meet everyone, and Scott actually dances with Jean! The party ends when a biker gang busts into the coffee shop, and the X-Men use some powers on the sly to chase them off. Back at the mansion, the Professor goes to the secret basement door to reveal... the Juggernaut! He says it's his duty as his step brother to fix him. It fails, and his machine blows up, but Juggy is not only all better, but has mental powers, too! He leaves in search of the X-Men. Back in town, Bobby is on cloud nine after a birthday kiss (he's always been gay my butt)... Warren gets shot down by Candy, and Scott and Jean spend some quality time. They return to a dark mansion, and get into uniform.. Cerebro goes off, but it's sensing them, not the bad guys... they quickly find Juggernaut, and the fight is on! Juggernaut wins fairly easily, but then a voice tells him to go to Europe to joing Factor Three, since it was they that freed him. He says no, then goes anway, leaving the X-Men before he finishes them off. The team finds Xavier alive.. barely. To be Continued! Blah... never a good sign when you job the stars of the book out, and the bad guy just ignores them to do something else! They did that a lot in the beginning, but this was the first time in a while, and it's still bad. Story: C- History: B (major villain, part of ongoing Factor Three story) Notes: - I guess this is during the time when they mandated single issue stories, as Stan (or Roy) apologies on the title page for this being a 2 parter. - 'Disko' Is that some early alternate spelling I'm not aware of, or are the Marvel guys that out of touch? - Speaking of out of touch, all our heroes are still wearing suits at the party, even though it's a beatnik coffee shop. I guess Stan just thought that what good guys do. - Scott and Jean dance! Buy still angst about each other while doing it.. just let this two kids be happy already! They talk later is vague tones, but they're getting there! - Pretty creepy Juggy was in the basement the whole time (though, perhaps he wasn't.. Xavier says he turned him in then later got custody).. this is another of those 'Professor X did what!?!' moments for sure -- So either more time passed for the party that I thought, or Juggernaut is also a science genius and both came up with the idea to rewire Cerebro AND bother to do it.. very strange. He also uses the stair/ramp swap as a booby trap (which is probably just a button, and a bit more logical)... still, Juggernaut is a smash up people and get confused if it doesn't work kinda guy, so this was really odd. -- From the variable powers dept: Jean flies with her 'Levitation Power' but not so well.. she claims she's tired out already (not sure from what).. I feel like they specifically said she couldn't do so before. -- The Biker Gang made me think of that Teen Titans issue with the bikers for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 0:21:55 GMT -5
wildfire2099 ... it's has one of my favorite splash page in that story and here it is.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 6, 2017 0:44:31 GMT -5
i love the entire issue, and the one which followed it. Roth did an amazing job still 'in the shadow of kirby' (whom was a massive cinephile) while introducing cinematic elements of the mid-60's which kirby had not touched upon.
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Post by zilch on Jul 6, 2017 9:51:00 GMT -5
Man, you gotta love the Werner Roth out of costume scenes!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 6, 2017 9:54:40 GMT -5
I agree, that is a great splash... Roth definitely excels at that. He also does a great job differentiating faces, which, IMO is kinda a rare skill.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 7, 2017 23:56:34 GMT -5
Roth was primarily a romance artist, with the occasional western thrown in the mix, before being assigned X-Men. It's only natural that he would excel at drawing folks in street clothes doing ordinary, non-superheroic things.
Cei-U! I wish more comics artists had that ability!
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 8, 2017 1:02:11 GMT -5
indeed, and also why he managed to achieve that lovely tenderness between Jean and Scott.
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Post by spoon on Jul 8, 2017 8:59:39 GMT -5
X-Men #32 'Beware the Juggernaut, my son!' Thomas/Roth/Tartaglione It's Bobby's 18th Birthday, and the gang are celebrbating at Coffee A-Go-Go, courtesy of Zelda, who has a Bebop band and Bernard the Poet as entertainment. Warren brings Candy Southern to meet everyone, and Scott actually dances with Jean! The party ends when a biker gang busts into the coffee shop, and the X-Men use some powers on the sly to chase them off. Back at the mansion, the Professor goes to the secret basement door to reveal... the Juggernaut! He says it's his duty as his step brother to fix him. It fails, and his machine blows up, but Juggy is not only all better, but has mental powers, too! He leaves in search of the X-Men. Back in town, Bobby is on cloud nine after a birthday kiss (he's always been gay my butt)... Warren gets shot down by Candy, and Scott and Jean spend some quality time. They return to a dark mansion, and get into uniform.. Cerebro goes off, but it's sensing them, not the bad guys... they quickly find Juggernaut, and the fight is on! Juggernaut wins fairly easily, but then a voice tells him to go to Europe to joing Factor Three, since it was they that freed him. He says no, then goes anway, leaving the X-Men before he finishes them off. The team finds Xavier alive.. barely. To be Continued! Blah... never a good sign when you job the stars of the book out, and the bad guy just ignores them to do something else! They did that a lot in the beginning, but this was the first time in a while, and it's still bad. Story: C- History: B (major villain, part of ongoing Factor Three story) Notes: - I guess this is during the time when they mandated single issue stories, as Stan (or Roy) apologies on the title page for this being a 2 parter. - 'Disko' Is that some early alternate spelling I'm not aware of, or are the Marvel guys that out of touch? - Speaking of out of touch, all our heroes are still wearing suits at the party, even though it's a beatnik coffee shop. I guess Stan just thought that what good guys do. - Scott and Jean dance! Buy still angst about each other while doing it.. just let this two kids be happy already! They talk later is vague tones, but they're getting there! Claremont and Byrne were apparently impatient for something to happen, too. In Uncanny X-Men #138 (one of my favorite issues), they retcon in a scene where Jean and Scott finally reveal their feelings.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 8, 2017 9:44:29 GMT -5
X-Men #32 'Beware the Juggernaut, my son!' Thomas/Roth/Tartaglione It's Bobby's 18th Birthday, and the gang are celebrbating at Coffee A-Go-Go, courtesy of Zelda, who has a Bebop band and Bernard the Poet as entertainment. Warren brings Candy Southern to meet everyone, and Scott actually dances with Jean! The party ends when a biker gang busts into the coffee shop, and the X-Men use some powers on the sly to chase them off. Back at the mansion, the Professor goes to the secret basement door to reveal... the Juggernaut! He says it's his duty as his step brother to fix him. It fails, and his machine blows up, but Juggy is not only all better, but has mental powers, too! He leaves in search of the X-Men. Back in town, Bobby is on cloud nine after a birthday kiss (he's always been gay my butt)... Warren gets shot down by Candy, and Scott and Jean spend some quality time. They return to a dark mansion, and get into uniform.. Cerebro goes off, but it's sensing them, not the bad guys... they quickly find Juggernaut, and the fight is on! Juggernaut wins fairly easily, but then a voice tells him to go to Europe to joing Factor Three, since it was they that freed him. He says no, then goes anway, leaving the X-Men before he finishes them off. The team finds Xavier alive.. barely. To be Continued! Blah... never a good sign when you job the stars of the book out, and the bad guy just ignores them to do something else! They did that a lot in the beginning, but this was the first time in a while, and it's still bad. Story: C- History: B (major villain, part of ongoing Factor Three story) Notes: - I guess this is during the time when they mandated single issue stories, as Stan (or Roy) apologies on the title page for this being a 2 parter. - 'Disko' Is that some early alternate spelling I'm not aware of, or are the Marvel guys that out of touch? - Speaking of out of touch, all our heroes are still wearing suits at the party, even though it's a beatnik coffee shop. I guess Stan just thought that what good guys do. - Scott and Jean dance! Buy still angst about each other while doing it.. just let this two kids be happy already! They talk later is vague tones, but they're getting there! Claremont and Byrne were apparently impatient for something to happen, too. In Uncanny X-Men #138 (one of my favorite issues), they retcon in a scene where Jean and Scott finally reveal their feelings. When I re-read my X-Mens few years ago, I was shocked by how long it took for them to do anything, and how little of a romantic relationship they actually had prior to the "All New, All Different" era. They mostly just pined away for each other in thought balloons, issue after issue.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 8, 2017 9:53:28 GMT -5
Claremont and Byrne were apparently impatient for something to happen, too. In Uncanny X-Men #138 (one of my favorite issues), they retcon in a scene where Jean and Scott finally reveal their feelings. When I re-read my X-Mens few years ago, I was shocked by how long it took for them to do anything, and how little of a romantic relationship they actually had prior to the "All New, All Different" era. They mostly just pined away for each other in thought balloons, issue after issue. That was the status quo at Marvel in those years. Longing for someone in thought balloons is "characterization."
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Post by spoon on Jul 8, 2017 11:10:02 GMT -5
Claremont and Byrne were apparently impatient for something to happen, too. In Uncanny X-Men #138 (one of my favorite issues), they retcon in a scene where Jean and Scott finally reveal their feelings. When I re-read my X-Mens few years ago, I was shocked by how long it took for them to do anything, and how little of a romantic relationship they actually had prior to the "All New, All Different" era. They mostly just pined away for each other in thought balloons, issue after issue. I don't recall if there was actually a moment when Scott and Jean were explicitly established as being a couple in the pre-reprint era. Maybe it was implied toward the end of the run.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jul 8, 2017 13:18:38 GMT -5
'Disko' Is that some early alternate spelling I'm not aware of, or are the Marvel guys that out of touch?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 8, 2017 18:19:05 GMT -5
I sorta feel like last issue (#31, that is) is when Scott and Jean become a couple.. they don't quite know it yet, but Warren officially gives up, and it seems Ted is totally out of the picture.
It's funny, Slam is totally right about thought balloon = characterization. I've been ready the Spidey's leading up to the death of Gwen Stacy (got the Epic a bit ago), and there's so much of that... almost to the point where you want to yell at the character to just TALK to each other instead of just thinking all the time.
I do greatly prefer when they manage to let meaningful dialogue do that... in todays comics, the 'talking-to-a-friend/AI/whatever on a mic while superheroing has kinda replaced thought balloons, and is no less annoying (probably more so, really)
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 10, 2017 1:19:54 GMT -5
'Disko' Is that some early alternate spelling I'm not aware of, or are the Marvel guys that out of touch? Squirrel Girl had a band. Who knew.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 10, 2017 6:33:19 GMT -5
'Disko' Is that some early alternate spelling I'm not aware of, or are the Marvel guys that out of. I'm not sure of the context in which "Disko" was used in this issue, but assuming that they're talking about a place where records are played for people to dance to, then yeah, the Marvel guys have got it wrong. The word was never spelt like that, since it is derived from the word discothèque. However, although the word "disco" was in usage in the U.S. by the mid-60s, it really wasn't that common a term. Especially compared to how well know it became in the late 70s. So, Marvel are showing that they're pretty hip to some quite obscure young person's speech, even if they ultimately spelt it wrong.
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