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Post by Confessor on Feb 5, 2018 8:56:38 GMT -5
The teaser for Solo looked pretty decent; it's still worrying just how little build up there's been but nothing there made me think it wasn't going to be entertaining. Rumours on the net from places like Screen Geek is that Disney are bracing themselves for a colossal flop with the Han Solo film. They were worried about the film's chances of box office success before The Last Jedi, but with the fan controversy over that still raging, the company have essentially written the film off. This is part of why publicity has so far been muted and we've only just seen a teaser trailer now, with less than four months to go until opening day. There have been lots of other problems with production of the movie, as I'm sure you've heard. Along with the well documented directorial issues and copious amounts of re-shoots, apparently they've had to bring in a dialogue and acting coach for Alden Ehrenreich. Yep, that's right...an acting coach for the star of a big budget Hollywood movie! Note that we didn't actually see Ehrenreich talking (read "acting") in the Super Bowl teaser. Apparently, both the original directorial team of Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, along with new director Ron Howard, like their lead actors to do lots of improv on set, and Ehrenreich can't do improv at all, apparently. Dear Disney, I’d really like to see the despecialized versions on DVD. Won't see them at least until all the t's have been crossed, all the i's dotted and all the federal approvals/confirmations of the Fox sale to Disney are complete because of Fox owning the distribution rights to the original Star Wars movie (Ep. IV). The rights were part of the sale, but it's going to take a while before all the red tape is gone through for the deal to be finalized. -M There's an alternate theory, based on comments George Lucas himself made when the Special Editions were coming out, and that is that they had to destroy the original negatives of the original trilogy in order to do the Special Editions. I forget all the ins and outs, but there were a lot of comments made at the time, along with evidence on the extras of the Special Edition DVDs, that suggest that for some reason ILM didn't work on copies of the OT when they undertook the Special Editions, but instead worked directly on the negatives. The upshot being that the negatives are now incomplete and butchered beyond repair. I hope that's not true, but if it is, that would be an unparalleled act of cinematic vandalism...especially for such iconic movies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 13:29:05 GMT -5
The full teaser:
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 5, 2018 17:40:33 GMT -5
The teaser for Solo looked pretty decent; it's still worrying just how little build up there's been but nothing there made me think it wasn't going to be entertaining. Rumours on the net from places like Screen Geek is that Disney are bracing themselves for a colossal flop with the Han Solo film. They were worried about the film's chances of box office success before The Last Jedi, but with the fan controversy over that still raging, the company have essentially written the film off. This is part of why publicity has so far been muted and we've only just seen a teaser trailer now, with less than four months to go until opening day. There have been lots of other problems with production of the movie, as I'm sure you've heard. Along with the well documented directorial issues and copious amounts of re-shoots, apparently they've had to bring in a dialogue and acting coach for Alden Ehrenreich. Yep, that's right...an acting coach for the star of a big budget Hollywood movie! Note that we didn't actually see Ehrenreich talking (read "acting") in the Super Bowl teaser. Apparently, both the original directorial team of Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, along with new director Ron Howard, like their lead actors to do lots of improv on set, and Ehrenreich can't do improv at all, apparently. Won't see them at least until all the t's have been crossed, all the i's dotted and all the federal approvals/confirmations of the Fox sale to Disney are complete because of Fox owning the distribution rights to the original Star Wars movie (Ep. IV). The rights were part of the sale, but it's going to take a while before all the red tape is gone through for the deal to be finalized. -M There's an alternate theory, based on comments George Lucas himself made when the Special Editions were coming out, and that is that they had to destroy the original negatives of the original trilogy in order to do the Special Editions. I forget all the ins and outs, but there were a lot of comments made at the time, along with evidence on the extras of the Special Edition DVDs, that suggest that for some reason ILM didn't work on copies of the OT when they undertook the Special Editions, but instead worked directly on the negatives. The upshot being that the negatives are now incomplete and butchered beyond repair. I hope that's not true, but if it is, that would be an unparalleled act of cinematic vandalism...especially for such iconic movies. I don't know if you'd call it reshoots, Howard apparently tossed out everything shot before he came on and started from scratch even so far as having new writers come on to work on the script...so yes it definitely had a very rocky production so I can understand some trepidation but I doubt it has to do anything with some fan reaction to Last Jedi. I've also heard the rumors about acting coaches but on a twitter Q&A Howard said it was false. Could he be lying? Sure, but I'll give it a pass and take him at as his word. That said it looks fantastic and I'm pretty excited after seeing the trailer; certainly more excited than any of the trailers for the Last Jedi did and that's from someone who previously had only passing interest in the concept of this film. As for a despecialized edition of the films it's true that they used the original negatives to create the special editions but Lucas was disingenuous when he said that was why he couldn't release the films in their original versions because both the separation masters( which are created as a form of protection) and the interpositives( which are "negatives" the theatrical prints are copied from) meaning the originals still exist and he just didn't want to release them. I think what is holding them back is related to what MRP mentioned, fox probably owned these copies but with their acquisition by Disney I wouldn't be surprised to see them get remastered and put out in theatres and dvd.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 5, 2018 17:54:32 GMT -5
The teaser for Solo looked pretty decent; it's still worrying just how little build up there's been but nothing there made me think it wasn't going to be entertaining. Rumours on the net from places like Screen Geek is that Disney are bracing themselves for a colossal flop with the Han Solo film. They were worried about the film's chances of box office success before The Last Jedi, but with the fan controversy over that still raging, the company have essentially written the film off. This is part of why publicity has so far been muted and we've only just seen a teaser trailer now, with less than four months to go until opening day. There have been lots of other problems with production of the movie, as I'm sure you've heard. Along with the well documented directorial issues and copious amounts of re-shoots, apparently they've had to bring in a dialogue and acting coach for Alden Ehrenreich. Yep, that's right...an acting coach for the star of a big budget Hollywood movie! Note that we didn't actually see Ehrenreich talking (read "acting") in the Super Bowl teaser. Apparently, both the original directorial team of Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, along with new director Ron Howard, like their lead actors to do lots of improv on set, and Ehrenreich can't do improv at all, apparently. Won't see them at least until all the t's have been crossed, all the i's dotted and all the federal approvals/confirmations of the Fox sale to Disney are complete because of Fox owning the distribution rights to the original Star Wars movie (Ep. IV). The rights were part of the sale, but it's going to take a while before all the red tape is gone through for the deal to be finalized. -M There's an alternate theory, based on comments George Lucas himself made when the Special Editions were coming out, and that is that they had to destroy the original negatives of the original trilogy in order to do the Special Editions. I forget all the ins and outs, but there were a lot of comments made at the time, along with evidence on the extras of the Special Edition DVDs, that suggest that for some reason ILM didn't work on copies of the OT when they undertook the Special Editions, but instead worked directly on the negatives. The upshot being that the negatives are now incomplete and butchered beyond repair. I hope that's not true, but if it is, that would be an unparalleled act of cinematic vandalism...especially for such iconic movies. Agreed. There must be laserdiscs still available, though. Can't those be used if the negatives aren't available anymore?
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Post by Confessor on Feb 5, 2018 19:10:30 GMT -5
Rumours on the net from places like Screen Geek is that Disney are bracing themselves for a colossal flop with the Han Solo film. They were worried about the film's chances of box office success before The Last Jedi, but with the fan controversy over that still raging, the company have essentially written the film off. This is part of why publicity has so far been muted and we've only just seen a teaser trailer now, with less than four months to go until opening day. There have been lots of other problems with production of the movie, as I'm sure you've heard. Along with the well documented directorial issues and copious amounts of re-shoots, apparently they've had to bring in a dialogue and acting coach for Alden Ehrenreich. Yep, that's right...an acting coach for the star of a big budget Hollywood movie! Note that we didn't actually see Ehrenreich talking (read "acting") in the Super Bowl teaser. Apparently, both the original directorial team of Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, along with new director Ron Howard, like their lead actors to do lots of improv on set, and Ehrenreich can't do improv at all, apparently. There's an alternate theory, based on comments George Lucas himself made when the Special Editions were coming out, and that is that they had to destroy the original negatives of the original trilogy in order to do the Special Editions. I forget all the ins and outs, but there were a lot of comments made at the time, along with evidence on the extras of the Special Edition DVDs, that suggest that for some reason ILM didn't work on copies of the OT when they undertook the Special Editions, but instead worked directly on the negatives. The upshot being that the negatives are now incomplete and butchered beyond repair. I hope that's not true, but if it is, that would be an unparalleled act of cinematic vandalism...especially for such iconic movies. I don't know if you'd call it reshoots, Howard apparently tossed out everything shot before he came on and started from scratch even so far as having new writers come on to work on the script...so yes it definitely had a very rocky production so I can understand some trepidation but I doubt it has to do anything with some fan reaction to Last Jedi. I've also heard the rumors about acting coaches but on a twitter Q&A Howard said it was false. Could he be lying? Sure, but I'll give it a pass and take him at as his word. That said it looks fantastic and I'm pretty excited after seeing the trailer; certainly more excited than any of the trailers for the Last Jedi did and that's from someone who previously had only passing interest in the concept of this film. Ah, OK...you seem to know more about the Han Solo movie than I do, so I bow to your knowledge. I still think the lack of publicity for the film is suspect and, lest we forget, The Last Jedi was not well liked by a lot of the fanbase and Disney must be aware of that. I, for one, thought that TLJ was one of the worst pieces of mainstream cinema I'd seen for quite some time -- and that's without even beginning to discuss its merits as a Star Wars film! I watched the teaser trailer for Solo, but there wasn't really enough there for me to even form an opinion one way or the other. I hope it's on a par with Rogue One, but I must be honest and say that I fear the worst (to quote Commander Willard). As for a despecialized edition of the films it's true that they used the original negatives to create the special editions but Lucas was disingenuous when he said that was why he couldn't release the films in their original versions because both the separation masters( which are created as a form of protection) and the interpositives( which are "negatives" the theatrical prints are copied from) meaning the originals still exist and he just didn't want to release them. I think what is holding them back is related to what MRP mentioned, fox probably owned these copies but with their acquisition by Disney I wouldn't be surprised to see them get remastered and put out in theatres and dvd. I hope you're right, but I must admit that I'm suspicious. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though. Still, the non-appearance of a transfer sourced from the original negatives when the theatrical editions of the original trilogy were finally issued on DVD back in 2006 is worrying. Agreed. There must be laserdiscs still available, though. Can't those be used if the negatives aren't available anymore? There are, yes, and, in fact, the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy that were issued on DVD back in 2006 were sourced from the laserdiscs, rather than from the original film negative (leading further credence to the rumours of the negative's destruction). But the laserdiscs are non-anamorphic transfers, resulting in a "squashing" or "stretching" of the picture when watched back at the film's correct aspect ratio. There's also no way you could do a proper Blu-ray release sourced from the laserdiscs...the picture quality simply wouldn't be there. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's an absolute travesty that we do not have a pristinely restored blu-ray edition of the theatrical cut of Star Wars, like we do for other iconic '70s films, like Taxi Driver, The Godfather or Jaws.
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Post by impulse on Feb 6, 2018 10:26:16 GMT -5
Well, if you legitimately own a copy of the original trilogy and don't mind some internet DIY, there is a fan project called Harmy's Despecialized edition where a fan(s?) painstakingly recreated the original trilogy using the travesty of the Blu-Ray release and the 2006 DVD releases of the theatricals upscaled. That is, they "despecialized" the special editions. While of course not an official release and in no way supporting piracy (thus being sure you've bought a set to lay claim to a license), they do an excellent job. That said, as soon as we get a proper HD release of the original I will GLADLY BUY AGAIN, DISNEY, IF YOU'RE LISTENING. PLEASE LET ME GIVE YOU MY MONEY FOR THIS!!
*ahem*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 16:12:08 GMT -5
Another round of Star Wars films are in the works (not Episodic films beyond IX nor the Rian Johnson films) this time written and produced by the team who created the Game of thrones series for HBO. -M
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 16:36:06 GMT -5
Very cool and exciting news.
Can’t wait to see what they are going to cook up for us.
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Post by berkley on Feb 6, 2018 17:10:23 GMT -5
I don't know if you'd call it reshoots, Howard apparently tossed out everything shot before he came on and started from scratch even so far as having new writers come on to work on the script...so yes it definitely had a very rocky production so I can understand some trepidation but I doubt it has to do anything with some fan reaction to Last Jedi. I've also heard the rumors about acting coaches but on a twitter Q&A Howard said it was false. Could he be lying? Sure, but I'll give it a pass and take him at as his word. That said it looks fantastic and I'm pretty excited after seeing the trailer; certainly more excited than any of the trailers for the Last Jedi did and that's from someone who previously had only passing interest in the concept of this film. Ah, OK...you seem to know more about the Han Solo movie than I do, so I bow to your knowledge. I still think the lack of publicity for the film is suspect and, lest we forget, The Last Jedi was not well liked by a lot of the fanbase and Disney must be aware of that. I, for one, thought that TLJ was one of the worst pieces of mainstream cinema I'd seen for quite some time -- and that's without even beginning to discuss its merits as a Star Wars film! I watched the teaser trailer for Solo, but there wasn't really enough there for me to even form an opinion one way or the other. I hope it's on a par with Rogue One, but I must be honest and say that I fear the worst (to quote Commander Willard). I've been trying to avoid spoilers so this is the first I've heard that the new film isn't too good. Wondering if I'll bother seeing it at the theatre now.
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Post by String on Feb 6, 2018 17:56:07 GMT -5
I just want a decent look at Corellia, that's all. Is that too much to ask for?
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 6, 2018 18:04:38 GMT -5
I don't know if you'd call it reshoots, Howard apparently tossed out everything shot before he came on and started from scratch even so far as having new writers come on to work on the script...so yes it definitely had a very rocky production so I can understand some trepidation but I doubt it has to do anything with some fan reaction to Last Jedi. I've also heard the rumors about acting coaches but on a twitter Q&A Howard said it was false. Could he be lying? Sure, but I'll give it a pass and take him at as his word. That said it looks fantastic and I'm pretty excited after seeing the trailer; certainly more excited than any of the trailers for the Last Jedi did and that's from someone who previously had only passing interest in the concept of this film. Ah, OK...you seem to know more about the Han Solo movie than I do, so I bow to your knowledge. I still think the lack of publicity for the film is suspect and, lest we forget, The Last Jedi was not well liked by a lot of the fanbase and Disney must be aware of that. I, for one, thought that TLJ was one of the worst pieces of mainstream cinema I'd seen for quite some time -- and that's without even beginning to discuss its merits as a Star Wars film! I watched the teaser trailer for Solo, but there wasn't really enough there for me to even form an opinion one way or the other. I hope it's on a par with Rogue One, but I must be honest and say that I fear the worst (to quote Commander Willard). As for a despecialized edition of the films it's true that they used the original negatives to create the special editions but Lucas was disingenuous when he said that was why he couldn't release the films in their original versions because both the separation masters( which are created as a form of protection) and the inter positives( which are "negatives" the theatrical prints are copied from) meaning the originals still exist and he just didn't want to release them. I think what is holding them back is related to what MRP mentioned, fox probably owned these copies but with their acquisition by Disney I wouldn't be surprised to see them get remastered and put out in theatres and dvd. I hope you're right, but I must admit that I'm suspicious. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though. Still, the non-appearance of a transfer sourced from the original negatives when the theatrical editions of the original trilogy were finally issued on DVD back in 2006 is worrying. Agreed. There must be laserdiscs still available, though. Can't those be used if the negatives aren't available anymore? There are, yes, and, in fact, the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy that were issued on DVD back in 2006 were sourced from the laserdiscs, rather than from the original film negative (leading further credence to the rumours of the negative's destruction). But the laserdiscs are non-anamorphic transfers, resulting in a "squashing" or "stretching" of the picture when watched back at the film's correct aspect ratio. There's also no way you could do a proper Blu-ray release sourced from the laserdiscs...the picture quality simply wouldn't be there. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's an absolute travesty that we do not have a pristinely restored blu-ray edition of the theatrical cut of Star Wars, like we do for other iconic '70s films, like Taxi Driver, The Godfather or Jaws. I don't see any real reason to be suspicious; the information about the separation masters and inter positives comes from film historians. As for why copies haven't been made who can say? I've been disappointed by both the Force Awakens, and to a lesser extent the Last Jedi so I understand being worried going forward. It's still uncertain how Solo could go but I'm hoping it's good.
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Post by berkley on Feb 6, 2018 20:31:43 GMT -5
I'm not too sure I want to see Solo at all, since it appears to be one of these "Young so-and-so" things like the last few Star Treks or those Young James Bond and Young Sherlock Holmes tv shows. Never been attracted by that whole idea, no matter what the character.
And Young Darth Vader didn't turn out too well either!
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 6, 2018 20:48:55 GMT -5
I'm not too sure I want to see Solo at all, since it appears to be one of these "Young so-and-so" things like the last few Star Treks or those Young James Bond and Young Sherlock Holmes tv shows. Never been attracted by that whole idea, no matter what the character. And Young Darth Vader didn't turn out too well either! I'm usually the same way, but on the other hand Young Indiana Jones is still one of my favorite tv shows of all time so it can be done right. Will this be on that side of the coin? I don't know, but like my initial impression from the trailer for Rogue One this one for Solo left me feeling that this felt like the Galaxy Far, Far Away that I remember, and Rogue One had a pretty troubled production as well and it came out pretty darn fun so who can tell what this one will be like.
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Post by berkley on Feb 6, 2018 21:02:22 GMT -5
I'm not too sure I want to see Solo at all, since it appears to be one of these "Young so-and-so" things like the last few Star Treks or those Young James Bond and Young Sherlock Holmes tv shows. Never been attracted by that whole idea, no matter what the character. And Young Darth Vader didn't turn out too well either! I'm usually the same way, but on the other hand Young Indiana Jones is still one of my favorite tv shows of all time so it can be done right. Will this be on that side of the coin? I don't know, but like my initial impression from the trailer for Rogue One this one for Solo left me feeling that this felt like the Galaxy Far, Far Away that I remember, and Rogue One had a pretty troubled production as well and it came out pretty darn fun so who can tell what this one will be like. If they could find someone as good as Felicity Jones to play Solo it might have a chance, but there aren't many around of that calibre, IMO.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 6, 2018 21:09:16 GMT -5
I'm usually the same way, but on the other hand Young Indiana Jones is still one of my favorite tv shows of all time so it can be done right. Will this be on that side of the coin? I don't know, but like my initial impression from the trailer for Rogue One this one for Solo left me feeling that this felt like the Galaxy Far, Far Away that I remember, and Rogue One had a pretty troubled production as well and it came out pretty darn fun so who can tell what this one will be like. If they could find someone as good as Felicity Jones to play Solo it might have a chance, but there aren't many around of that calibre, IMO. Yeah, she's pretty awesome; I loved her in A Monster Calls too.
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