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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 27, 2019 11:54:48 GMT -5
Am I the only one who despise The Force Awakens? I actually prefer the prequels to it.
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Post by rberman on Dec 27, 2019 12:48:20 GMT -5
Am I the only one who despise The Force Awakens? I actually prefer the prequels to it. What don't you like about it?
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 27, 2019 15:51:22 GMT -5
Am I the only one who despise The Force Awakens? I actually prefer the prequels to it. What don't you like about it? I felt that the characters in TFA were lacking – Rey was just a Mary Sue who didn’t much interest me, Poe was boring (this was rectified in TLJ – he was cool in that one), Kylo Ren was an Emo, and BB-8 was just a R2-D2 rip-off. The only new character I liked was Finn. Well, I also found Maz Kanata interesting, but she was a relatively minor character. The plot was very derivative. I didn’t think Han’s death scene was done well. I didn’t really care for the setup, either. I’d prefer to think that my Original Trilogy heroes lived happily ever after. Instead, what do we have? Han & Leia have a broken marriage, their kid turns to the dark side and, by the way, kills Han, Luke is a bitter old man (and apparently a failure as a Jedi), and the galaxy doesn’t seem any better off, in terms of government structure, stability, and peace, than it was at the beginning of the Original Trilogy. I feel like the setup to this whole sequel trilogy basically makes what happened in the original trilogy seem like it was all for naught. Our heroes struggled and suffered in vain. I feel like the sequels sort of cheapen what our heroes did in the original trilogy, just was the prequels greatly weaken Darth Vader. In fairness, I've only seen TFA once, so I should probably watch it again at some point to get a better impression of it, but it left me with a bad taste in my mouth which doesn't make me too anxious to re-watch it. I also didn't much care for Abrams' Star Trek movie, so maybe I just am not a fan of his. I'm sure I'll see Rise of Skywalker at some point, but I'm not rushing to the theater to do so.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 27, 2019 16:10:00 GMT -5
Got back from Rise of Skywalker... definitely a big improvement over last Jedi, but mostly fan service. ALot of the plot doesn't hold together under scrutiny, and I hated how ridiculously powerful the Force users are.
Also, they have to kill off the ONE new EU character I like?? really?
Plently of good character moments, though, that did a good job wrapping up the story. No idea where they could possibly go from here though... Finn, Poe and Rey aren't going to be starting a Galactic Government any time soon.... they seem to have completely left that part out.
Also, how about Lando, the real hero of the movie? Doesn't do a great job selling your new characters when he has to save the day...twice.
I suspect what we're going to see going forward is stories like Rogue One and Solo that fill in cracks. (I totally want to see Luke and Lando hunting for that Sith Pathfinder!)
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Post by rberman on Dec 27, 2019 16:18:13 GMT -5
What don't you like about it? I felt that the characters in TFA were lacking – Rey was just a Mary Sue who didn’t much interest me, Poe was boring (this was rectified in TLJ – he was cool in that one), Kylo Ren was an Emo, and BB-8 was just a R2-D2 rip-off. The only new character I liked was Finn. Well, I also found Maz Kanata interesting, but she was a relatively minor character. I came to decide that the main purpose of the new trilogy was to be a stealth remake of the first trilogy, so that kids of today can watch a Star Wars that competes effects-wise with modern movies. A 40 year old film may have great story and characters but just won't hold their attention. Finn=C3PO. He's cowardly, and fades into the background after the first 20 minutes show his escape from a Star Destroyer to a desert planet. Rey is Luke obviously; Poe is Han; Kylo is Vader; BB8 is R2. This is by design. Luke becomes Yoda. Chewie still gets to be Chewie. Yay! True, again by design. Those of us who grew up with fond memories of the original trilogy have no great need for the new trilogy. We're not the target audience for toy-buying. It could have been "blaze of glory" or "character moment." They went with the latter. It probably could have been better, though I don't have a brilliant idea how. Well, Luke does start TLJ as bitter, but he learns to fall in love with Star Wars again by the end of it. Mainly I regret the missed opportunity of seeing him fall out with Kylo in more than a thirty second flashback. It's true that the beginning of TFA does essentially reset the scenario to the beginning of ANH. Empire runs things, chasing rebels with Star Destroyers and TIE Fighters and Stormtroopers.
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Post by Duragizer on Dec 27, 2019 18:40:50 GMT -5
Am I the only one who despise The Force Awakens? I actually prefer the prequels to it. I like TFA only slightly less than I do ROTJ, and I really, really, really dislike ROTJ. I still rank them over any prequel, though.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 27, 2019 21:00:45 GMT -5
Am I the only one who despise The Force Awakens? I actually prefer the prequels to it. I liked it. It was mostly a retread of Episode IV and was very light on the world-building side but it felt, looked and sounded like a proper Star Wars movie (something only the original trilogy and Rogue One managed to do, as far as I’m concerned). Things like the downed Star Destroyer carcass brought me right back to 1977, and if there’s one thing that film was successful at, it was in stoking the nostalgia bonfire. Unfortunately, the next chapter was a total and complete disaster; as a stand alone film, as a chapter in the saga, and as the follow-up to TFA. The prequels were disappointing, but none of them was a c******k the way TLJ was. Hopefully TRoS can bring the level at least back to the level of TFA.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 0:18:57 GMT -5
Two thumbs way up for the season finale of The Mandalorian. It's going to be a long wait until autumn 2020 for season 2.
-M
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Post by Confessor on Dec 28, 2019 7:51:53 GMT -5
I came to decide that the main purpose of the new trilogy was to be a stealth remake of the first trilogy, so that kids of today can watch a Star Wars that competes effects-wise with modern movies. A 40 year old film may have great story and characters but just won't hold their attention.This simply isn't true in my experience. I know of several young children (in the 6 and 12-year-old range) who have come to the original trilogy for the first time in recent years and they still find those films just as awesome and exciting as us older folks did back in the late '70s and early '80s. The fact that the effects are somewhat dated -- and, actually, they do still hold up extremely well -- doesn't matter to most kids. I mean, even thinking back to my own childhood, I loved old '60s episodes of Star Trek as a kid, even though I could see that the special effects were woefully dated compared to then-current space franchises like Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica, and so it is for kids today; they'll happily watch the SW original trilogy alongside newer fair, like the Harry Potter films or Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever, because those original SW films have a timeless magic to them. As for the sequel trilogy, I, like dbutler69, feel as if it has cheapened the sacrifices made by the orginal trilogy characters. I'll not be going to see The Rise of Skywalker because I don't care about Rey, Poe, and Finn. In particular, I don't care about Rey's "heroic" journey and I never have. She's simply not a good enough character. Plus, Daisy Ridley's "acting" is so wooden that it makes Kiera Knightly look like Laurence Olivier! I have friends who've seen The Rise of Skywalker and they all think it's a terible film, only slightly better than The Last Jedi. I'm quite prepared to believe them. The Rise of Skywalker, I'm sure, is just another f***ing terrible SW film, that further cheapens and devalues the original trilogy and the franchise as a whole. I've never seen a J.J. Abrams film that I've actually liked, and there's no reason to believe that this one will be any different. It's a shame that after an inspired start with the original trilogy, Lucasfilm, and latterly Disney, had a tremendous oppurtunity to expand the SW franchise and create something really incredible. That potential has been largely wasted.
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Post by rberman on Dec 28, 2019 8:59:48 GMT -5
I came to decide that the main purpose of the new trilogy was to be a stealth remake of the first trilogy, so that kids of today can watch a Star Wars that competes effects-wise with modern movies. A 40 year old film may have great story and characters but just won't hold their attention.This simply isn't true in my experience. I know of several young children (in the 6 and 12-year-old range) who have come to the original trilogy for the first time in recent years and they still find those films just as awesome and exciting as us older folks did back in the late '70s and early '80s. The fact that the effects are somewhat dated -- and, actually, they do still hold up extremely well -- doesn't matter to most kids. I mean, even thinking back to my own childhood, I loved old '60s episodes of Star Trek as a kid, even though I could see that the special effects were woefully dated compared to then-current space franchises like Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica, and so it is for kids today; they'll happily watch the SW original trilogy alongside newer fare, like the Harry Potter films or Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever, because those original SW films have a timeless magic to them. My own personal sample set of sci-fi loving children has had a different response.
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 28, 2019 9:41:42 GMT -5
I came to decide that the main purpose of the new trilogy was to be a stealth remake of the first trilogy, so that kids of today can watch a Star Wars that competes effects-wise with modern movies. A 40 year old film may have great story and characters but just won't hold their attention.This simply isn't true in my experience. I know of several young children (in the 6 and 12-year-old range) who have come to the original trilogy for the first time in recent years and they still find those films just as awesome and exciting as us older folks did back in the late '70s and early '80s. The fact that the effects are somewhat dated -- and, actually, they do still hold up extremely well -- doesn't matter to most kids. I mean, even thinking back to my own childhood, I loved old '60s episodes of Star Trek as a kid, even though I could see that the special effects were woefully dated compared to then-current space franchises like Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica, and so it is for kids today; they'll happily watch the SW original trilogy alongside newer fair, like the Harry Potter films or Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever, because those original SW films have a timeless magic to them. As for the sequel trilogy, I, like dbutler69 , feel as if it has cheapened the sacrifices made by the orginal trilogy characters. I'll not be going to see The Rise of Skywalker because I don't care about Rey, Poe, and Finn. In particular, I don't care about Rey's "heroic" journey and I never have. She's simply not a good enough character. Plus, Daisy Ridley's "acting" is so wooden that it makes Kiera Knightly look like Laurence Olivier!
I have friends who've seen The Rise of Skywalker and they all think it's a terible film, only slightly better than The Last Jedi. I'm quite prepared to believe them. The Rise of Skywalker, I'm sure, is just another f***ing terrible SW film, that further cheapens and devalues the original trilogy and the franchise as a whole. I've never seen a J.J. Abrams film that I've actually liked, and there's no reason to believe that this one will be any different.
It's a shame that after an inspired start with the original trilogy, Lucasfilm, and latterly Disney, had a tremendous oppurtunity to expand the SW franchise and create something really incredible. That potential has been largely wasted. Thank you! I'm glad to find someone who echoes my sentiments so precisely. The shame of it is, these films are making huge bucks, and to Disney (yes, to every company that wants to stay in business, but Disney even more than most) it's all about the Benjamins.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 28, 2019 11:19:20 GMT -5
It's a shame that after an inspired start with the original trilogy, Lucasfilm, and latterly Disney, had a tremendous oppurtunity to expand the SW franchise and create something really incredible. That potential has been largely wasted. I’m glad you include the prequels in there. They didn’t really expand the SW universe, but rather made it smaller and smaller: it was all about a few characters who all knew each other, with rather simple motivations. In that regard, Rogue One (for all that it was also an attempt to cash in on the franchise’s name) was more successful, since it showed how nobodies could influence the course of events without being at the centre of everything.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 28, 2019 11:24:00 GMT -5
I’m glad you include the prequels in there. They didn’t really expand the SW universe, but rather made it smaller and smaller: it was all about a few characters who all knew each other, with rather simple motivations. Yep, exactly. That shrinking of the SW universe was one of my biggest problems with the prequels.
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Post by Warmonger on Dec 28, 2019 11:41:12 GMT -5
Well, after a pretty lackluster middle, Mandalorian completely redeemed itself in the last two episodes.
Episode 8 blows away everything Star Wars related since the original trilogy.
They packed 10x more awesomeness into 45 minutes than any of these new movies could into 2 1/2 hours.
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 28, 2019 12:45:26 GMT -5
It's a shame that after an inspired start with the original trilogy, Lucasfilm, and latterly Disney, had a tremendous oppurtunity to expand the SW franchise and create something really incredible. That potential has been largely wasted. I’m glad you include the prequels in there. They didn’t really expand the SW universe, but rather made it smaller and smaller: it was all about a few characters who all knew each other, with rather simple motivations. In that regard, Rogue One (for all that it was also an attempt to cash in on the franchise’s name) was more successful, since it showed how nobodies could influence the course of events without being at the centre of everything. Yes, that was one of my criticisms of the prequels. Lucas went out of his way to give more screen time to the beloved characters from the original trilogy and tried too hard to tie them all together, like you say, making the SW universe smaller. There was absolutely no reason to make Anakin the creator of C3-PO. I thought that one of the more ridiculous innovations of the prequels. I love Chewie, but didn't need to see him fighting in the Clone Wars. And so on. And agreed about Rogue One, which I thought was a good enough movie, if somewhat forgettable.
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