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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 15:51:13 GMT -5
Preseason football really isn't for the fans. There has been a lot of talks over the years of how to make it more interesting. I think the average fan with a passing investment in the NFL doesn't get that the four games aren't meant to provide much as far as an entertainment value is concerned. Yet the teams still gladly take fan money for tickets, some requiring you to buy pre-season game tix to keep regular season season tickets and qualify to get post-season tickets, and they still charge a boatload of money to networks to carry the pre-season games, so if they are going to market it as an entertainment product shouldn't they have some obligation to make it entertaining, and if it is purely for coaches and front office's to do talent evaluation in game situations, why charge fans to see it or networks to broadcast it. They don't charge any less for preseason games than they do for regular season game tix, so they are telling you it's the same entertainment value as the regular season by what they charge for it. I get what the games are for, it's the NFL that doesn't get that if that;s what they games are for they should stop swindling the fans and networks out of their money to watch/broadcast them. -M
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 17:33:59 GMT -5
I was far more entertained by the Bears-Broncos preseason game than I have been by a regular Chicago game in the last few years.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 15, 2017 20:04:47 GMT -5
Preseason football really isn't for the fans. There has been a lot of talks over the years of how to make it more interesting. I think the average fan with a passing investment in the NFL doesn't get that the four games aren't meant to provide much as far as an entertainment value is concerned. Yet the teams still gladly take fan money for tickets, some requiring you to buy pre-season game tix to keep regular season season tickets and qualify to get post-season tickets, and they still charge a boatload of money to networks to carry the pre-season games, so if they are going to market it as an entertainment product shouldn't they have some obligation to make it entertaining, and if it is purely for coaches and front office's to do talent evaluation in game situations, why charge fans to see it or networks to broadcast it. They don't charge any less for preseason games than they do for regular season game tix, so they are telling you it's the same entertainment value as the regular season by what they charge for it. I get what the games are for, it's the NFL that doesn't get that if that;s what they games are for they should stop swindling the fans and networks out of their money to watch/broadcast them. -M I suppose so, but I don't know...it's pretty obvious the difference between a regular season and preseason games. I get that the NFL shouldn't charge full price for the games, but at the same time fans keep showing up to the stadiums despite knowing what they're getting into. Don't go to the games and the NFL will change it's attitude. Simple.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 20:17:30 GMT -5
Yet the teams still gladly take fan money for tickets, some requiring you to buy pre-season game tix to keep regular season season tickets and qualify to get post-season tickets, and they still charge a boatload of money to networks to carry the pre-season games, so if they are going to market it as an entertainment product shouldn't they have some obligation to make it entertaining, and if it is purely for coaches and front office's to do talent evaluation in game situations, why charge fans to see it or networks to broadcast it. They don't charge any less for preseason games than they do for regular season game tix, so they are telling you it's the same entertainment value as the regular season by what they charge for it. I get what the games are for, it's the NFL that doesn't get that if that;s what they games are for they should stop swindling the fans and networks out of their money to watch/broadcast them. -M I suppose so, but I don't know...it's pretty obvious the difference between a regular season and preseason games. I get that the NFL shouldn't charge full price for the games, but at the same time fans keep showing up to the stadiums despite knowing what they're getting into. Don't go to the games and the NFL will change it's attitude. Simple. If the NFL is going to market it and charge for it as entertainment, then it is on them to make it entertaining. If it's just another practice or scrimmage, don't sell tickets, televise, profit off of it and market it as something different. But then the NFL is a monopoly only able to exist because of anti-trust exemptions so their business practices don't have to be on the up and up. Simply put, the League is exploiting the fans and the networks by selling this as entertainment, then trying to claim it's not entertainment when people complain it is what it actually is. But the NFL will sacrifice everything (their integrity is the least of it) up to an including the safety of their players for the almighty dollar until someone calls them on the carpet to do otherwise and only then if they can't continue to get away with it despite the uproar. -M
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 15, 2017 23:21:27 GMT -5
I suppose so, but I don't know...it's pretty obvious the difference between a regular season and preseason games. I get that the NFL shouldn't charge full price for the games, but at the same time fans keep showing up to the stadiums despite knowing what they're getting into. Don't go to the games and the NFL will change it's attitude. Simple. If the NFL is going to market it and charge for it as entertainment, then it is on them to make it entertaining. If it's just another practice or scrimmage, don't sell tickets, televise, profit off of it and market it as something different. But then the NFL is a monopoly only able to exist because of anti-trust exemptions so their business practices don't have to be on the up and up. Simply put, the League is exploiting the fans and the networks by selling this as entertainment, then trying to claim it's not entertainment when people complain it is what it actually is. But the NFL will sacrifice everything (their integrity is the least of it) up to an including the safety of their players for the almighty dollar until someone calls them on the carpet to do otherwise and only then if they can't continue to get away with it despite the uproar. -M The NFL is taking advantage of people's stupidity. They're an American business. What else is new. At the end of the day people still have the power of choice. Until people speak with their wallets differently, they're gonna keep on keeping on. And I wasn't saying the NFL isn't marketing that this isn't for the fans. I'm saying fans should put two and two together to determine what the preseason is, and not make it more epic regardless of the manipulation the NFL pulls. Unless tickets and parking are free (a lot are actually reduced in price) no one should be going to preseason games period.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 23:29:56 GMT -5
If the NFL is going to market it and charge for it as entertainment, then it is on them to make it entertaining. If it's just another practice or scrimmage, don't sell tickets, televise, profit off of it and market it as something different. But then the NFL is a monopoly only able to exist because of anti-trust exemptions so their business practices don't have to be on the up and up. Simply put, the League is exploiting the fans and the networks by selling this as entertainment, then trying to claim it's not entertainment when people complain it is what it actually is. But the NFL will sacrifice everything (their integrity is the least of it) up to an including the safety of their players for the almighty dollar until someone calls them on the carpet to do otherwise and only then if they can't continue to get away with it despite the uproar. -M The NFL is taking advantage of people's stupidity. They're an American business. What else is new. At the end of the day people still have the power of choice. Until people speak with their wallets differently, they're gonna keep on keeping on. And I wasn't saying the NFL isn't marketing that this isn't for the fans. I'm saying fans should put two and two together to determine what the preseason is, and not make it more epic regardless of the manipulation the NFL pulls. People have always shelled out for bread and circuses and always will, especially when the power of the NFL brand is put behind it because people shell out for brand loyalty too. When businesses exploit people and there is no recourse because they have anti-trust exemptions (and marketing to the bread and circus mentality with the power of the brand is exploitation) it is an unfair business practice. Personally, I don't think the NFL should have any anti-trust exemptions and a larger portion of the revenue they generate should wind up with the communities that support them and not ownership or the league. If it weren't for the protections of the anti-trust exemptions, I would urge season ticket holders to file a class action suit against the league for being forced to buy pre-season tickets as a requirement for getting regular season tickets, but they can't choose not to buy the pre-season tickets if they want to buy regular season tickets in a season ticket package. They cannot vote with their wallet unless they want to give up their regular season tickets too. The League has taken away their power of choice because they can. -M
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 16, 2017 0:43:08 GMT -5
The NFL is taking advantage of people's stupidity. They're an American business. What else is new. At the end of the day people still have the power of choice. Until people speak with their wallets differently, they're gonna keep on keeping on. And I wasn't saying the NFL isn't marketing that this isn't for the fans. I'm saying fans should put two and two together to determine what the preseason is, and not make it more epic regardless of the manipulation the NFL pulls. People have always shelled out for bread and circuses and always will, especially when the power of the NFL brand is put behind it because people shell out for brand loyalty too. When businesses exploit people and there is no recourse because they have anti-trust exemptions (and marketing to the bread and circus mentality with the power of the brand is exploitation) it is an unfair business practice. Personally, I don't think the NFL should have any anti-trust exemptions and a larger portion of the revenue they generate should wind up with the communities that support them and not ownership or the league. If it weren't for the protections of the anti-trust exemptions, I would urge season ticket holders to file a class action suit against the league for being forced to buy pre-season tickets as a requirement for getting regular season tickets, but they can't choose not to buy the pre-season tickets if they want to buy regular season tickets in a season ticket package. They cannot vote with their wallet unless they want to give up their regular season tickets too. The League has taken away their power of choice because they can. -M I guess I'm not one of those people then. I'm not going to shell out $1000 for a gaming system for example or pay 4x the price to see a regular season Warriors game because online scalpers forced my hand. And if I'm a regular season ticket holder I'd be hard pressed to pay full price for an extra two games even if it means not going to the other eight. At the end of the day the NFL can still say that they didn't put a gun to your head and force you to hand over the money. You knew the conditions of the trade, and still went for it. Kind of like complaining about the interest spikes in a student loan after you take it out. Don't take out the loan then. Don't be a season ticket holder. Watch the game on TV. Different experience yes, but at least you can still say you didn't bend over for the man.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 8:30:45 GMT -5
People have always shelled out for bread and circuses and always will, especially when the power of the NFL brand is put behind it because people shell out for brand loyalty too. When businesses exploit people and there is no recourse because they have anti-trust exemptions (and marketing to the bread and circus mentality with the power of the brand is exploitation) it is an unfair business practice. Personally, I don't think the NFL should have any anti-trust exemptions and a larger portion of the revenue they generate should wind up with the communities that support them and not ownership or the league. If it weren't for the protections of the anti-trust exemptions, I would urge season ticket holders to file a class action suit against the league for being forced to buy pre-season tickets as a requirement for getting regular season tickets, but they can't choose not to buy the pre-season tickets if they want to buy regular season tickets in a season ticket package. They cannot vote with their wallet unless they want to give up their regular season tickets too. The League has taken away their power of choice because they can. -M I guess I'm not one of those people then. I'm not going to shell out $1000 for a gaming system for example or pay 4x the price to see a regular season Warriors game because online scalpers forced my hand. And if I'm a regular season ticket holder I'd be hard pressed to pay full price for an extra two games even if it means not going to the other eight. At the end of the day the NFL can still say that they didn't put a gun to your head and force you to hand over the money. You knew the conditions of the trade, and still went for it. Kind of like complaining about the interest spikes in a student loan after you take it out. Don't take out the loan then. Don't be a season ticket holder. Watch the game on TV. Different experience yes, but at least you can still say you didn't bend over for the man. Did you shell out for the TV? Did you shell out for the TV provider that is carrying the game? Or if you watch it on a phone or device did you shell out for those and the provider of internet service used to watch the game? You're still shelling out for bread and circuses and if you're watching those pre-season games (or regular season games) on TV, you're still financially supporting the NFL's decision to market them as entertainment. To a lesser extent sure, but you you are still shelling out for bread and circuses. If you spend any time or money as a spectator of sports, you're one of those shelling out for bread and circuses. And no, the consumer does not always know the conditions going in. Many times the League (and other businesses ) change the conditions after the fact or deceptively hide the conditions from the consumer until after the agreement has been reached and the consumer is stuck. But hey, let the buyer beware right, no matter how underhanded the business practice is, it's always the victim's fault. They shouldn't have put themselves in that position right? -M
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 16, 2017 9:33:22 GMT -5
I guess I'm not one of those people then. I'm not going to shell out $1000 for a gaming system for example or pay 4x the price to see a regular season Warriors game because online scalpers forced my hand. And if I'm a regular season ticket holder I'd be hard pressed to pay full price for an extra two games even if it means not going to the other eight. At the end of the day the NFL can still say that they didn't put a gun to your head and force you to hand over the money. You knew the conditions of the trade, and still went for it. Kind of like complaining about the interest spikes in a student loan after you take it out. Don't take out the loan then. Don't be a season ticket holder. Watch the game on TV. Different experience yes, but at least you can still say you didn't bend over for the man. Did you shell out for the TV? Did you shell out for the TV provider that is carrying the game? Or if you watch it on a phone or device did you shell out for those and the provider of internet service used to watch the game? You're still shelling out for bread and circuses and if you're watching those pre-season games (or regular season games) on TV, you're still financially supporting the NFL's decision to market them as entertainment. To a lesser extent sure, but you you are still shelling out for bread and circuses. If you spend any time or money as a spectator of sports, you're one of those shelling out for bread and circuses. And no, the consumer does not always know the conditions going in. Many times the League (and other businesses ) change the conditions after the fact or deceptively hide the conditions from the consumer until after the agreement has been reached and the consumer is stuck. But hey, let the buyer beware right, no matter how underhanded the business practice is, it's always the victim's fault. They shouldn't have put themselves in that position right? -M I live overseas. I don't have a TV provider to shell out money too. Sometimes I'll find streams online. Or I will buy the NFL Game Pass. The international version is a ridiculously good deal. It's an experience I'm comfortable with. I mean, I guess it depends how you look at it. I'm not going to play the "you're forcing me to pay for a product that I don't want to pay for...except I can choose not to subscribe" card. You don't like the system, remove yourself from the NFL. Period. You want to be a fan, prepare to dance with the devil to the level of degree you want. Like I said at the end of the day any one person can choose to bounce. Claiming that there will always be a portion of the public willing to bend over backwards for the NFL should have no barring as an individual. You aren't obligated to spend money to watch a football game. Just like I'm not obligated to buy a PlayStation. How has the NFL taken away my power of choice if I remove myself from the NFL completely?
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Post by Jesse on Aug 17, 2017 16:49:36 GMT -5
Doesn't Roger Goodell want to remove some preseason games and add two more games to the regular season?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 16:54:32 GMT -5
Doesn't Roger Goodell want to remove some preseason games and add two more games to the regular season? I think it would be a very bad idea; and I feel that two preseason games is enough and leave the regular season at 16 games period.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 22:23:51 GMT -5
Boston and Cleveland Trade
The Boston Celtics have acquired All-Star point guard Kyrie Irving from the Cleveland Cavaliers for point guard Isaiah Thomas, forward Jae Crowder, center Ante Zizic and Brooklyn's 2018 unprotected first-round pick, the team announced Tuesday night.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 24, 2017 1:25:47 GMT -5
Boston and Cleveland TradeThe Boston Celtics have acquired All-Star point guard Kyrie Irving from the Cleveland Cavaliers for point guard Isaiah Thomas, forward Jae Crowder, center Ante Zizic and Brooklyn's 2018 unprotected first-round pick, the team announced Tuesday night. Big time trade. I feel like Cleveland got a lot for Irving.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 24, 2017 1:27:43 GMT -5
Doesn't Roger Goodell want to remove some preseason games and add two more games to the regular season? I think it would be a very bad idea; and I feel that two preseason games is enough and leave the regular season at 16 games period. I've always hated the idea for adding two more regular season games. I think the regular season is long enough. When week 16 rolls around I'm ready for the playoffs to start, not to see two more weeks of teams like Cleveland or the Jets duke it out for the number one pick. And I don't see how you can add two more games when there is already a ton of scrutiny regarding safety in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 9:08:00 GMT -5
I think it would be a very bad idea; and I feel that two preseason games is enough and leave the regular season at 16 games period. I've always hated the idea for adding two more regular season games. I think the regular season is long enough. When week 16 rolls around I'm ready for the playoffs to start, not to see two more weeks of teams like Cleveland or the Jets duke it out for the number one pick. And I don't see how you can add two more games when there is already a ton of scrutiny regarding safety in the league. I'm with you all the way here!
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