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Post by Hoosier X on May 28, 2017 3:13:37 GMT -5
So here's a judge that doesn't like the longstanding GOP tradition of blaming and harassing the Secretary of State for every national tragedy, a tradition that goes all the way back to Hillary Clinton.
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Post by Confessor on May 28, 2017 6:08:31 GMT -5
Britain's Have I Got News for You has some great commentary about Trump's tour. The show is a satirical news "quiz" program, with regulars Ian Hislop (editor of Private Eye magazine) and comedian Paul Merton. Guest moderator/quiz master is Ed Balls, former Labor MP and special guests tv producer and presenter Janet Street Porter and German stand-up comic Henning Wehn (a regular on the UK comedy scene). Plenty of nice jabs at Trump, plus UK politics and numerous Brexit jokes for and about Henning. This was aired after the Manchester attack. Some NSFW language. Hislop tends to go into the issue or event, with some pithy commentary, while Merton tends to sling one-liners. The show has been on since the 90s and was hosted by Angus Deaton, until his news scandal about a dalliance with a prostitute and drugs (and boy was the show interesting after that story broke!). Since then, it has had rotating gust hosts, including a fabulous turn by a barking mad Brian Blessed (Vultan, in the Flash Gordon film) and a fun turn by Dr. Who Tom Baker. Politicians are often guest and they tend to be pretty lit up targets, though most seem better sports about it than US politicians would, in the same position. A few tabloid journalists have also been guests/targets, especially from Ian Hislop. Have I Got News for You is hands down my favourite TV show and has been for the last 20 odd years. Just brilliant political satire and a lot of fun to watch. I've actually been in the audience on a few occasions.
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Post by tingramretro on May 28, 2017 7:54:57 GMT -5
Britain's Have I Got News for You has some great commentary about Trump's tour. The show is a satirical news "quiz" program, with regulars Ian Hislop (editor of Private Eye magazine) and comedian Paul Merton. Guest moderator/quiz master is Ed Balls, former Labor MP and special guests tv producer and presenter Janet Street Porter and German stand-up comic Henning Wehn (a regular on the UK comedy scene). Plenty of nice jabs at Trump, plus UK politics and numerous Brexit jokes for and about Henning. This was aired after the Manchester attack. Some NSFW language. Hislop tends to go into the issue or event, with some pithy commentary, while Merton tends to sling one-liners. The show has been on since the 90s and was hosted by Angus Deaton, until his news scandal about a dalliance with a prostitute and drugs (and boy was the show interesting after that story broke!). Since then, it has had rotating gust hosts, including a fabulous turn by a barking mad Brian Blessed (Vultan, in the Flash Gordon film) and a fun turn by Dr. Who Tom Baker. Politicians are often guest and they tend to be pretty lit up targets, though most seem better sports about it than US politicians would, in the same position. A few tabloid journalists have also been guests/targets, especially from Ian Hislop. Have I Got News for You is hands down my favourite TV show and has been for the last 20 odd years. Just brilliant political satire and a lot of fun to watch. I've actually been in the audience on a few occasions. Definitely one of the best shows on TV.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 28, 2017 8:58:27 GMT -5
Britain's Have I Got News for You has some great commentary about Trump's tour. The show is a satirical news "quiz" program, with regulars Ian Hislop (editor of Private Eye magazine) and comedian Paul Merton. Guest moderator/quiz master is Ed Balls, former Labor MP and special guests tv producer and presenter Janet Street Porter and German stand-up comic Henning Wehn (a regular on the UK comedy scene). Plenty of nice jabs at Trump, plus UK politics and numerous Brexit jokes for and about Henning. This was aired after the Manchester attack. Some NSFW language. Hislop tends to go into the issue or event, with some pithy commentary, while Merton tends to sling one-liners. The show has been on since the 90s and was hosted by Angus Deaton, until his news scandal about a dalliance with a prostitute and drugs (and boy was the show interesting after that story broke!). Since then, it has had rotating gust hosts, including a fabulous turn by a barking mad Brian Blessed (Vultan, in the Flash Gordon film) and a fun turn by Dr. Who Tom Baker. Politicians are often guest and they tend to be pretty lit up targets, though most seem better sports about it than US politicians would, in the same position. A few tabloid journalists have also been guests/targets, especially from Ian Hislop. Have I Got News for You is hands down my favourite TV show and has been for the last 20 odd years. Just brilliant political satire and a lot of fun to watch. I've actually been in the audience on a few occasions. Then perhaps you can answer something that has always bugged me, since I first saw clips on Youtube; what is Paul Merton looking at? His eye-line is always off to the side, even when he delivers his jokes. Is he watching a monitor or autocue, waiting for the cue to deliver his zinger? It's kind of distracting when you watch the show.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 11:54:10 GMT -5
We have a serious terrorist problem in this country. It's white males who have been radicalized by Fox News, Breitbart and InfoWars. and the Trump budget cuts funding for fighting Homegrown Terrorism. (if you missed that part in all the Russian quicksand he's managed to get the Country drowning in)
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Post by Confessor on May 28, 2017 17:08:54 GMT -5
Have I Got News for You is hands down my favourite TV show and has been for the last 20 odd years. Just brilliant political satire and a lot of fun to watch. I've actually been in the audience on a few occasions. Then perhaps you can answer something that has always bugged me, since I first saw clips on Youtube; what is Paul Merton looking at? His eye-line is always off to the side, even when he delivers his jokes. Is he watching a monitor or autocue, waiting for the cue to deliver his zinger? It's kind of distracting when you watch the show. I'm not sure I know what you mean. Paul Merton often looks at the audience when he delivers his zingers, which are not only in front of the stage, but also goes round he side. So, there are audience members to his left, but also kind of in front of him, just over Ian Hislop's right shoulder. Merton is delivering his gags to the font few rows of the audience a lot of the time. The only autocue in the studio is directly in front of the host for them to read. Hislop, Merton and the guests are completely unscripted. Incidentally, when you go and see it filmed, Merton does about 45 minutes of stand up before the other guests and the presenter come out, just to warm up the crowd. They also film a lot more than ever gets shown on TV -- even in the extended Have I Got A Bit More News For You show.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 28, 2017 20:18:09 GMT -5
Then perhaps you can answer something that has always bugged me, since I first saw clips on Youtube; what is Paul Merton looking at? His eye-line is always off to the side, even when he delivers his jokes. Is he watching a monitor or autocue, waiting for the cue to deliver his zinger? It's kind of distracting when you watch the show. I'm not sure I know what you mean. Paul Merton often looks at the audience when he delivers his zingers, which are not only in front of the stage, but also goes round he side. So, there are audience members to his left, but also kind of in front of him, just over Ian Hislop's right shoulder. Merton is delivering his gags to the font few rows of the audience a lot of the time. The only autocue in the studio is directly in front of the host for them to read. Hislop, Merton and the guests are completely unscripted. Incidentally, when you go and see it filmed, Merton does about 45 minutes of stand up before the other guests and the presenter come out, just to warm up the crowd. They also film a lot more than ever gets shown on TV -- even in the extended Have I Got A Bit More News For You show. Well the clips I saw he is usually looking to his left and is usually quick to turn back to that direction, even when he engages across the desk. Maybe it's just the camera changes catching him at the wrong moment. I suppose he could be just engaging the audience on that side. Ian tends to be shot addressing the host and panelists then looks out to the audience when he throws it out to them. His eyelines seem more focused in shots, when I have watched. The shows have always looked unscripted, beyond the host, though many times it feels like they have at least prepared material to potentially use, if the subject and conversation is right. I've seen Hislop in other settings and he is good off the cuff and have seen Merton as an interviewer/presented and doing Whose Line Is It Anyway? The show after Angus deaton's scandal broke was a riot and Deaton squirmed; but, he took it all pretty well. Of course, then the axe fell (or he fell on his sword; can't remember). The Blessed episode is a lunatic scream. The closest we get to this kind of show is the Daily Show, Bill Maher, and John Oliver. Maher probably comes closer, in style, than the other two. Most of our politicians though wouldn't touch something like this with a ten foot pole. The exceptions I have seen were Jessie Jackson hosting Saturday Night Live (in the Ebersol years) and Sen. Paul Simon doing some gags on SNL; plus Pres. Obama's turns on Jimmy Kimmel and other talk shows. Unfortunately, we've seen way too much of trump on tv and he wouldn't last 5 minutes on this kind of show. One crack about small hands and he would storm off. he'd rather stick to pro wrestling angles.
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Post by Spike-X on May 28, 2017 21:47:01 GMT -5
Incidentally, when you go and see it filmed, Merton does about 45 minutes of stand up before the other guests and the presenter come out, just to warm up the crowd. They also film a lot more than ever gets shown on TV -- even in the extended Have I Got A Bit More News For You show. I am very, very jealous of you right now.
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Post by Spike-X on May 28, 2017 21:48:16 GMT -5
President Business shows he knows how to win friends and influence others. Is there any of our top trade partners he hasn't offended in his short time in office? He seems determined to make allies of your enemies, and enemies of your allies. Republicans talked about "Obama's Apology Tour" after he was elected the first time. Whoever comes next after this utter embarrassment is going to have to do one of those for reals.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 29, 2017 7:54:02 GMT -5
President Business shows he knows how to win friends and influence others. Is there any of our top trade partners he hasn't offended in his short time in office? He seems determined to make allies of your enemies, and enemies of your allies. Republicans talked about "Obama's Apology Tour" after he was elected the first time. Whoever comes next after this utter embarrassment is going to have to do one of those for reals. Unless it's another politician of the same variety who succeeds the current president. I would have though that was impossible, but that's also what I thought after seeing the shoddy steering of President Bush Jr... who was not only reelected, but whose dire example didn't prevent a Donald Trump from being elected a mere two mandates later. And that after eight years of economic growth, a booming stock market and an unemployment rate lower than 5%. As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." I don't think a new "apology tour" would have much credence, no matter who made it.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 31, 2017 5:26:58 GMT -5
Will nobody tell this petulant brat to shut the %#* up?
His outrage over what NATO countries pay for their armed forces is appaling. Trump accuses NATO countries that do not meet their target of 2% of GDP of not pulling their weight, and strongly implies that the US has to pick up the slack. Excuse me, but when has that happened in the history of NATO?
Right after memorial day, no less, Trump has seemingly forgotten about all the NATO soldiers who got killed fighting America's war in Afghanistan. Great way to treat one's allies.
I'd say Trump has no shame, but that's like saying the sky is blue. In no way, shape or form does that kind of attitude reflect who the American people are.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 31, 2017 10:32:15 GMT -5
This, I believe, is an example why many people distrust the left. A Swiss judge fined someone for hitting the Facebook "like" button on comments deemed defamatory. (The comments were targeting an animal protection group, comparing them to Nazis. Typical internet verbal inflation). Not permissible, said the judge. By liking the comments you take part in defamation, no less. This trend, if left unchecked, heralds the death of our freedom of expression. I have been very upset by several freedom-killing rulings in the past, mostly dealing with holocaust deniers. Those idiots must be challenged and ridiculed for their untenable beliefs; however, to silence them under threat of indictment is just plain wrong. That's not how you teach people to measure their words, but it is certainly the way to force people to only speak officially-approved words. There is no such thing as a partial freedom of speech. We should all have the legal right to say what we think, and then others should have the right to tell us that our words mark us as a $#%, a &@# or a ˜†‡•, or to get out of their house. But no fine or jail sentence should come into the equation.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 1, 2017 10:45:09 GMT -5
This, I believe, is an example why many people distrust the left. A Swiss judge fined someone for hitting the Facebook "like" button on comments deemed defamatory. (The comments were targeting an animal protection group, comparing them to Nazis. Typical internet verbal inflation). Not permissible, said the judge. By liking the comments you take part in defamation, no less. This trend, if left unchecked, heralds the death of our freedom of expression. I have been very upset by several freedom-killing rulings in the past, mostly dealing with holocaust deniers. Those idiots must be challenged and ridiculed for their untenable beliefs; however, to silence them under threat of indictment is just plain wrong. That's not how you teach people to measure their words, but it is certainly the way to force people to only speak officially-approved words. There is no such thing as a partial freedom of speech. We should all have the legal right to say what we think, and then others should have the right to tell us that our words mark us as a $#%, a &@# or a ˜†‡•, or to get out of their house. But no fine or jail sentence should come into the equation. Except the First Amendment would prevent such a ruling here. You are talking two different sets of governments; Switzerland is an odd duck under the best of circumstances. There are numerous precedents in the American legal system which would prevent such a ruling; or, at least, get it overturned in an appeals court in under 2 minutes. The bigger issue with the Left (in America, at least) is disorganization and appeals to logic and facts, while the populace has been trained to respond to emotion and rhetoric. We are bombarded with it from the first, via entertainment and advertising, through school with the storytime versions of history, and into adulthood with the drive to acquire junk to fulfill emotional needs. Facts and logic so rarely enter our lives, from cradle to grave, that appeals to those sensibilities are like trying to answer a child's questions about why the sky is blue. The child is never satisfied with the correct answer and is more likely to buy "Because it's pretty." Further, the Left has sat back and allowed the Right to define political viewpoints and hoped that Americans would see through the smokescreen. Well, as Geobbels said, when you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth. Most Americans fall somewhere in the middle and can't be bothered until an issue is personal. Free Speech is so much philosophy until yours has been silenced.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 1, 2017 15:47:01 GMT -5
This, I believe, is an example why many people distrust the left. A Swiss judge fined someone for hitting the Facebook "like" button on comments deemed defamatory. (The comments were targeting an animal protection group, comparing them to Nazis. Typical internet verbal inflation). Not permissible, said the judge. By liking the comments you take part in defamation, no less. This trend, if left unchecked, heralds the death of our freedom of expression. I have been very upset by several freedom-killing rulings in the past, mostly dealing with holocaust deniers. Those idiots must be challenged and ridiculed for their untenable beliefs; however, to silence them under threat of indictment is just plain wrong. That's not how you teach people to measure their words, but it is certainly the way to force people to only speak officially-approved words. There is no such thing as a partial freedom of speech. We should all have the legal right to say what we think, and then others should have the right to tell us that our words mark us as a $#%, a &@# or a ˜†‡•, or to get out of their house. But no fine or jail sentence should come into the equation. And most of the people on "The Left" completely agree with you.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 1, 2017 15:50:58 GMT -5
This, I believe, is an example why many people distrust the left. A Swiss judge fined someone for hitting the Facebook "like" button on comments deemed defamatory. (The comments were targeting an animal protection group, comparing them to Nazis. Typical internet verbal inflation). Not permissible, said the judge. By liking the comments you take part in defamation, no less. This trend, if left unchecked, heralds the death of our freedom of expression. I have been very upset by several freedom-killing rulings in the past, mostly dealing with holocaust deniers. Those idiots must be challenged and ridiculed for their untenable beliefs; however, to silence them under threat of indictment is just plain wrong. That's not how you teach people to measure their words, but it is certainly the way to force people to only speak officially-approved words. There is no such thing as a partial freedom of speech. We should all have the legal right to say what we think, and then others should have the right to tell us that our words mark us as a $#%, a &@# or a ˜†‡•, or to get out of their house. But no fine or jail sentence should come into the equation. Except the First Amendment would prevent such a ruling here. You are talking two different sets of governments; Switzerland is an odd duck under the best of circumstances. There are numerous precedents in the American legal system which would prevent such a ruling; or, at least, get it overturned in an appeals court in under 2 minutes. The bigger issue with the Left (in America, at least) is disorganization and appeals to logic and facts, while the populace has been trained to respond to emotion and rhetoric. We are bombarded with it from the first, via entertainment and advertising, through school with the storytime versions of history, and into adulthood with the drive to acquire junk to fulfill emotional needs. Facts and logic so rarely enter our lives, from cradle to grave, that appeals to those sensibilities are like trying to answer a child's questions about why the sky is blue. The child is never satisfied with the correct answer and is more likely to buy "Because it's pretty." Further, the Left has sat back and allowed the Right to define political viewpoints and hoped that Americans would see through the smokescreen. Well, as Geobbels said, when you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth. Most Americans fall somewhere in the middle and can't be bothered until an issue is personal. Free Speech is so much philosophy until yours has been silenced. I know I frequently roll my eyes when conservatives go on and on about how "political correctness" is killing the country when they are as likely (perhaps more likely) to get outraged and start waving their pitchforks and calling for people to be fired or shunned for unpopular opinions.
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