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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 9, 2017 11:05:09 GMT -5
So... Comey says Loretta Lynch forced him to back off of Hillary probe, readily admits to being a spineless d*****, and admits that Trump was never under investigation... What happened, fellas? I thought Trump was royally screwed? Nah, not a chance. All this shows, once again, is that Trump and his White House staff are lying liars who lie all the time and that Trump acts as if being president was the same as being a king or a mafia don. Ordinary rules are not supposed to apply to him. But we knew that already, and Congress seems to be fine with it, so nothing will happen to Trump. He will doubtless soon tweet about his great victory and vindication and demand that Comey be tried for treason, high crimes and misdemeanors, as per his usual crazy modus operandi, not realizing how bad he looks right now. The best we can hope is that enough voters are fed up with this kafkaesque government when the mid-term elections come, as well as in 2020. Lie after lie, scandal after scandal, Trump is damaging his image even to many of his devoted fans. His approval rate is very low, and since he didn't even win the popular vote the first time around, there's no reason for things to spontaneously get better for him... or for the party that backs him. *Edit* Wow, it didn't take long.It would make a great subject for a high school philosophy class. If you reveal things that never happened, can it still be considered a leak? And if the reported facts are true, how can you declare victory for being revealed as committing an illegal act? "I am not a crook". "I did not sleep with that woman". "The president is not a liar". Oh, I thought you said cov fefe-esque!
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Post by Warmonger on Jun 9, 2017 11:24:38 GMT -5
Well I'm sure the left will find something else to glob onto...with zero concrete evidence to back it up. Yesterday was supposed to cast a giant cloud over Trump...and all it ended up doing was showing just how corrupt and inept people like Comey and Lynch are. But not Trump... If definitive evidence comes out that Trump colluded with the Russians, then he'll be impeached and rightfully so. Until then, this all amounts to nothing more than a giant temper tantrum from the left and RINO republicans like McCain, who I think is literally going senile.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 9, 2017 12:15:33 GMT -5
Nah, not a chance. All this shows, once again, is that Trump and his White House staff are lying liars who lie all the time and that Trump acts as if being president was the same as being a king or a mafia don. Ordinary rules are not supposed to apply to him. But we knew that already, and Congress seems to be fine with it, so nothing will happen to Trump. He will doubtless soon tweet about his great victory and vindication and demand that Comey be tried for treason, high crimes and misdemeanors, as per his usual crazy modus operandi, not realizing how bad he looks right now. The best we can hope is that enough voters are fed up with this kafkaesque government when the mid-term elections come, as well as in 2020. Lie after lie, scandal after scandal, Trump is damaging his image even to many of his devoted fans. His approval rate is very low, and since he didn't even win the popular vote the first time around, there's no reason for things to spontaneously get better for him... or for the party that backs him. *Edit* Wow, it didn't take long.It would make a great subject for a high school philosophy class. If you reveal things that never happened, can it still be considered a leak? And if the reported facts are true, how can you declare victory for being revealed as committing an illegal act? "I am not a crook". "I did not sleep with that woman". "The president is not a liar". Well I'm sure the left will find something else to glob onto...with zero concrete evidence to back it up. Yesterday was supposed to cast a giant cloud over Trump...and all it ended up doing was showing just how corrupt and inept people like Comey and Lynch are. Comey does not appear corrupt at all; in fact he seems to be quite a straight-shooter. He didn't refrain from torpedoing Clinton's campaign with the e-mail business (which I really didn't like, but was appropriate), and now he doesn't shy away from calling Trump out on his lies. He's a Republican, but he understands his duty to the constitution and to the American people. Lynch tried to defuse the e-mail investigation by having it called "a matter" instead of "an investigation". That's a far cry from suggesting that the FBI chief drop an investigation, but yeah, it's pretty bad. The division of powers is there for a reason. She should face the same charges as Trump, if charges are brought up (something I seriously doubt in either case). The left doesn't need to "glob onto" anything... the very best argument against Trump, and the only one that should matter, in fact, is that he's a terrible president. A lying, tantrum-throwing, divisive ignoramus who makes Frank Underwood look like a good electoral choice. All eyes have been focused on the Russia investigation for weeks, now, because it's so satisfying (if a bit childish, I admit) to see Trump squirm and get all red in the face, but it's counter-productive. It would be very surprising if there was anything there that goes beyond the expected "Russia helped the Trump campaign a bit because it favoured him over Clinton" and "Trump and Co. lied about it because it would make him look bad for five minutes". When the investigation concludes, I'm convinced that its most damning revelations will be that no law was actually broken, but that the president and his coterie should not have lied about it. Considering that he lies all the time, it probably won't have much of an impact. No, it would be a better idea to build a Democratic platform that will attract voters, one that would take heed of what the Trump voters were complaining about last time around (and that would show that Trump's "solutions" are anything but). That the current president is awful is a good selling point for an alternative, but it isn't enough... and shouldn't be the sole card one has to play.
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Post by Warmonger on Jun 9, 2017 12:48:39 GMT -5
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 9, 2017 12:53:51 GMT -5
Well I'm sure the left will find something else to glob onto...with zero concrete evidence to back it up. Yesterday was supposed to cast a giant cloud over Trump...and all it ended up doing was showing just how corrupt and inept people like Comey and Lynch are. It's really more like picking among several choices... surely you can't think Trump is anything but a complete train wreck?
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Post by impulse on Jun 9, 2017 13:15:23 GMT -5
Well, right, there's no concrete evidence yet, but since half a dozen of his closest advisors have had, at a minimum, questionable, and at worst, criminal, ties to the foreign power that attempted to interfere in our election that benefited him, it so obviously requires a competent and unbiased investigation that it beggars belief I have to even say it. The whole point is "this looks shady, and y'all aren't helping by trying to cover it up and lie, so now it looks worse. Let's investigate it and get to the bottom of it." That way, if there actually is any criminal wrongdoing, they can find it out. If there wasn't, we can move on and get on with things. By fighting and obstructing and lying about the investigation left, right and center it again, at best, makes a non-issue appear much bigger than it is and drags it out, and at worse, is obstruction of justice or worse. If Trump and his associates were truly innocent, the best thing they could have done was let the investigators sniff around, find nothing, and move on. Then at least they could get on with their business while their opponents sulk back to their desks. The way they are acting doesn't prove guilt, but HOOOOLY CRAP it makes Nixon look like a monk. At best, it's been a staggeringly consistent round of piss-poor decision making that is directly opposed to their interests if they were innocent. Then again, determinedly acting against ones own interests seems to be an inherent trait for a huge swath of Republicans, so I guess it really shouldn't be that surprising. EDIT TO ADD:All I ever really wanted out of all this was a FAIR, competent, and thorough investigation done in good faith and with integrity. The fact that was had to be fought for tooth and nail instead of just an obvious conclusion has been absolutely frustrating beyond words. Nobody ever claimed they had found the fire, so to speak, but since Trump was surrounded in smoke, it needed to be checked out. Now that Mueller has his special counsel, I can at least personally live with the outcome of this investigation assuming he isn't interfered with. But what it took to get that counsel appointed? Extremely upset with half our government about that.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 9, 2017 14:29:01 GMT -5
Right. Because It wouldn't do to protect the American public from another financial meltdown like the one in 2008. Might make big banks sad. Clearly the way to growth is to allow banks to do whatever they want with the public's money with as little regulation as possible. Then when the banks fail we can bail them out again.
It's not stupid to make mistakes. It's stupid to make the same mistake over and over and never learn from them.
«The 2016 election is a choice between Donald Trump and Goldman Sachs», said Edward Snowden. Har-de-har-har.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 9, 2017 15:52:09 GMT -5
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Post by Warmonger on Jun 9, 2017 19:43:06 GMT -5
Oh Lordy, Paul Ryan has a problem with Donald Trump? The same dunce who both sides hate with a passion and is the main proprietor of the Obama Care replacement you guys despise so much (and I myself have admitted is a half-assed constingency plan)? What's next...any zingers from RINO, never-Trumpers like John "President Comey" McCain or Lindsey Graham?
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Post by Warmonger on Jun 9, 2017 20:00:02 GMT -5
Life comes at you fast
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Post by Warmonger on Jun 9, 2017 20:42:36 GMT -5
Trump refuses to sign off on McMasters' troop increase in Afghanistan.
Can we at least all mostly agree that this is good?
Or is Trump just a big meany and screw everything he says/does?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 9, 2017 20:44:45 GMT -5
Trump refuses to sign off on McMasters' troop increase in Afghanistan. Can we at least all mostly agree that this is good? Or is Trump just a big meany and screw everything he says/does? No, that's a good move. Credit where credit is due.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 9, 2017 21:51:09 GMT -5
Bye bye Teresa Not gone yet, but purely a matter of time after her baldly-political decision to run an unnecessary election has blown up in her face. Except that having called and lost an unnecessary election, and despite the fact that many in her own party want her to resign, she has now announced her intention to form a minority Conservative government with the backing of the Democratic Unionist Party, saying they are "clearly" the only ones "legitimately" in a position to do so, and t continue doing everything she said she intended to do before the election, including giving more powers to the police and intelligence services to "combat extremism". Anybody got a contact number for that weirdo in the Guy Fawkes mask? I think we might need him... Hugo Weaving? I don't see how he would help, unless he unleashes Mitzi...
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 9, 2017 21:52:10 GMT -5
Trump refuses to sign off on McMasters' troop increase in Afghanistan. Can we at least all mostly agree that this is good? Or is Trump just a big meany and screw everything he says/does? Definitely good.. we should never have sent anything other than special ops to kill Bin Laden there... talk about not learning from history.
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Post by spoon on Jun 9, 2017 22:42:37 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that some people are finally discovering that the DUP is a bigoted, religious fundamentalist party now that they're provided the necessary votes for Theresa May to form a government. They've always been that way. People just ignored it so they could avoid the ugly truth of imperialism in Northern Ireland.
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