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Post by comicsandwho on Nov 11, 2018 16:15:39 GMT -5
Dr Light was an Atom villain, who also took on the JLA, then became more of a New Teen Titans villain, before being retrofitted, by Brad Meltzer (and I'd rather have had the character in the hands of Marv Wolfman). You have that backwards. Dr. Light started out as a JLA villain (Justice League #12), then spent several years taking on individual members (Atom #8, Flash #171, Green Lantern #33) before taking on the whole team again at the behest of Doctor Destiny in Justice League #61. Later he took on Superman (Action #474), Superman and Batman (World's Finest #207), Batman and Supergirl (Brave & Bold #147), Aquaman (World's Finest #264), and the original Teen Titans (TT #44), had a return match with Flash (Flash #223), and took on the League again by himself (JLA #122) and as a minion of Earth-S's King Kull (JLA #123). His origin, which tied him to Hawkman, appeared in DC Super-Stars #14). Only upon founding the Fearsome Five did he settle in as primarily a Titans villain (Mew Teen Titans #3).
Cei-U! I summon the rapscallion's resume!
Oh, yeah, the issue where he turned them all into cats...
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Post by Dizzy D on Nov 12, 2018 10:26:20 GMT -5
We all know the Kingpin (Wilson Fisk) started out as a Spider-Man villain. Then Frank Miller made him one of Daredevil's villains and today he is thought of mostly as DD's enemy. Has there been any other villains that have "switched" heroes as enemies for an extended period of time?
I'll skip the kind of villains that show up all over the place like Mephisto, Dr. Doom and so on, making an exception for Thanos.
Usually it's a writer creating a villain for one series and taking him/her with him to another:
Mystique was introduced as a villain in Ms. Marvel, but was almost immediately moved over to X-Men. (Then again Ms. Marvel and X-Men were closely related in a lot of plots.)
Similar to Arcade, who is introduced fighting Spider-Man and Captain Britain, but these days mostly deals with the X-Men.
Sabretooth starting out as an Iron Fist villain, but switching over to Wolverine. (Maybe Viper as well, introduced in Spiderwoman where she played a big part, then she was a major part in Wolverine for a while. But then again, she has been all over the place.)
Thanos started out in Iron Man, but usually is more connected to Marvel's cosmic heroes and Iron Man and him only face off when the rest of the Avengers are invited.
I was considering Lady Deathstrike, but she was not a villain in Daredevil.
Maybe Gruenwald's Maelstrom, a villain originally tied to the Inhumans, but probably more closely associated with Gruenwald's run on Quasar.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 12, 2018 10:59:06 GMT -5
Viper wasn't introduced in Spider-Woman but in Captain America, first as Madame Hydra in Cap #110, then as the second Viper in #180.
Cei-U! I summon the point of order!
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Post by chadwilliam on Nov 13, 2018 1:44:28 GMT -5
I've liked Kingpin as an adversary for both Spidey and Daredevil, but loved it when he became one for the Punisher as well. His seedy and crime-ridden world was made for MAX comics.
And The Punisher himself debuted as a bad guy (or really incompetent good guy) in Spider-Man before becoming more associated with Daredevil at around the same time Kingpin did. Though no longer a villain, I don't think "enemies" inaccurately describes their relationship.
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Post by foxley on Nov 13, 2018 3:52:22 GMT -5
Rhino started out as a Spider-Man villain, but for much of his career, he has been regarded as a Hulk foe.
Gentleman Ghost has always been a Hawkman villain, but during the period when Hawkman did not have his own title, Gentleman Ghost became member of Batman's rogues gallery.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Nov 13, 2018 8:25:24 GMT -5
Sabretooth, maybe? A half-decade snarling at Iron Fist and Power Man before stalking off to bat the X-Men around for the rest of his (presumably) nine lives.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 13, 2018 9:57:57 GMT -5
Galactus moved to Thor for a while, including having his origin told there and not in the FF.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 11:29:38 GMT -5
Galactus moved to Thor for a while, including having his origin told there and not in the FF. I find that rather odd for Marvel to do this ... and this was a big discussion at my LCS that they felt it was totally unnecessary to do so. I didn't quite understand what they were saying but didn't want to get the heart and debate of it. Galactus to me is an odd character to deal with and I find too monstrous to comprehend and never, ever understood him at all. To me, he is an enigma character to being with and never, ever really liked him at all. Galactus should be in Fantastic Four not Thor alone; but I can accept him in the Avengers (with Thor in the lineup) too.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 13, 2018 11:40:19 GMT -5
They set it up in Thor #134, and then later came back with Thor interacting with Galactus and the big Galactus/Ego battle. But it is hard to say whether this was Kirby using his creations as Thor became a space-faring character, or something Stan wanted. I think it is safe to say they were just trying to tell good stories and didn't bother worrying about what character belonged to what book. Thor #134 foreshadows future books. And then in Thor #160
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Post by Crimebuster on Nov 13, 2018 11:41:41 GMT -5
Kang spent a long stint in Fantastic Four after Walt Simonson began a giant Kang epic in Avengers and then switched titles over to FF. THis was less about the villain being for one title or the other and more about the creator having a story he wanted to tell regardless of where he was telling it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 14:50:52 GMT -5
kirby101 -- I did not read much of Thor in his solo books; my exposure to Thor was through the Avengers and Journey Into Mystery and very few books. Thanks for the recap ^^^ and I can see why.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 17:32:35 GMT -5
Chemo was a Metal Men villain who moved over to fight Superman (and Supergirl occasionally)
and speaking of Supes. . . Cyborg Superman went from Supes to a GL villian
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Post by rberman on Nov 13, 2018 17:36:15 GMT -5
Kang spent a long stint in Fantastic Four after Walt Simonson began a giant Kang epic in Avengers and then switched titles over to FF. THis was less about the villain being for one title or the other and more about the creator having a story he wanted to tell regardless of where he was telling it. And Simonson dragged Thor (his old fave) and Iron Man into his FF run for that story arc as well, which I am currently reading for the first time. He even worked the Shi'ar into the story, which took place in the far future and depicted Gladiator as still alive and well, serving as the regent for Emperor Charles I.
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Post by chadwilliam on Nov 13, 2018 20:18:18 GMT -5
Though no longer a villain, I don't think "enemies" inaccurately describes their relationship.
I meant the Jason Aaron MAX storyline in Punisher Max (2010-2012) between Kingpin and Punisher. Their adversary was brutal. Some liberties were taken in the MAX universe (Elektra & Vanessa Fisk were lesbian lovers) but it still played out well.
Oh no, I entirely agree. I was referring to Frank Castle's status as a kind-of/sort-of enemy to Daredevil. As for Kingpin - Kurt Busiek's What If The Punisher Had Killed Daredevil story in What If #26 convinced me that Fisk should be a regular Punisher foe. I guess since The Punisher shouldn't really have any regular foes though, it's never really taken.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Nov 16, 2018 15:25:07 GMT -5
Was this the first time a comic came with something attached as a freebie? I recall some of the MAD reprints having "extras" like the Don Martin sound effects stickers, and even a playable 33 1/3 RPM flexi-disc! The latter was offered in the early 60s.
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