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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 25, 2015 18:20:09 GMT -5
So the original Ghost Rider - Currently the Phantom Rider was originally published by Magazine Enterprises until he (somehow) ended up at Marvel.
I'm mostly interested in characters that debuted in comics or pulps from other companies, therefore excluding Rom or the Micronauts or Dracula or Fu Manchu or the Human Fly.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 25, 2015 19:05:31 GMT -5
The Howard properties are probably the best examples of licensed properties but I also liked Marvel's short stints with the Phantom(though I liked DC's take better).
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 25, 2015 19:18:20 GMT -5
Magazine Enterprises went out of business and both the copyright and the trademark lapsed, so the name was public domain. I'm pretty sure that Marvel's character was not written as being the same as the ME character. Similar, sure, even had the same artist, but not the same.
Daredevil was similar - Lev Gleason's company was long gone so the name was available. Ditto Captain Marvel, although another company got there first in the 60s ("Split!")
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 25, 2015 19:48:49 GMT -5
Oh really? They have the same freaking costume, though! They must be sort of the same guy! I guess they did have different secret identities, and the internet says the Marvel version was more a little more pure Western and less horror. (I've only got one issue of the Marvel version, butI've been reading the originals at the Digital Comics Museum.)
Still.... they have the same freaking costume!
Edit: That makes them more alike than the Silver Age and Golden Age Flash, Green Lantern, or Atom!
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Sept 25, 2015 21:32:49 GMT -5
Oh really? They have the same freaking costume, though! They must be sort of the same guy! I guess they did have different secret identities, and the internet says the Marvel version was more a little more pure Western and less horror. (I've only got one issue of the Marvel version, butI've been reading the originals at the Digital Comics Museum.) Still.... they have the same freaking costume! Edit: That makes them more alike than the Silver Age and Golden Age Flash, Green Lantern, or Atom! They got the same costume because, as Rob mentioned, it was in public domain and the same artist did both strips. The ME character was a human with a fake supernatural shtick to scare his opponents. It was a straight Western series otherwise |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 26, 2015 2:38:13 GMT -5
Oh really? They have the same freaking costume, though! They must be sort of the same guy! I guess they did have different secret identities, and the internet says the Marvel version was more a little more pure Western and less horror. (I've only got one issue of the Marvel version, butI've been reading the originals at the Digital Comics Museum.) Still.... they have the same freaking costume! Edit: That makes them more alike than the Silver Age and Golden Age Flash, Green Lantern, or Atom! They got the same costume because, as Rob mentioned, it was in public domain and the same artist did both strips. The ME character was a human with a fake supernatural shtick to scare his opponents. It was a straight Western series otherwise And Roy Thomas never connected them together? For shame! |
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Post by foxley on Sept 26, 2015 4:59:46 GMT -5
The golden age Ka-Zar debuted in the pulp magazines in 1936 before appearing in Marvel Comics in 1939. Of course, his pulp magazine was also owned by Martin Goodman.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 26, 2015 6:06:09 GMT -5
They got the same costume because, as Rob mentioned, it was in public domain and the same artist did both strips. The ME character was a human with a fake supernatural shtick to scare his opponents. It was a straight Western series otherwise And Roy Thomas never connected them together? For shame! Ouch ! |
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Post by coke & comics on Sept 26, 2015 14:17:41 GMT -5
The most recent examples of the phenomenon are perhaps Angela and Marvelman.
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 27, 2015 2:10:44 GMT -5
Magazine Enterprises went out of business and both the copyright and the trademark lapsed, so the name was public domain. I'm pretty sure that Marvel's character was not written as being the same as the ME character. Similar, sure, even had the same artist, but not the same. Daredevil was similar - Lev Gleason's company was long gone so the name was available. Ditto Captain Marvel, although another company got there first in the 60s ("Split!") The Rex Fury Ghost Rider was very definitely not the same character as Marvel's Carter Slade. I remember the MF Enterprises Captain Marvel-I have the first issue, somewhere. Truly dreadful. I believe that's what made Marvel trademark the name, to prevent the risk of anything that bad being associated with the name 'Marvel' again. |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 27, 2015 2:14:53 GMT -5
The most recent examples of the phenomenon are perhaps Angela and Marvelman. Still can't understand why, having finally gotten the rights to Marvelman, a company actually called 'Marvel' are still calling him 'Miracleman'. Since they caused the name change in the first place by threatening legal action (even though Marvelman actually predated Marvel Comics) that's just adding insult to injury in my book. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 2:16:44 GMT -5
What about some of the Atlas characters who were repurposed at Marvel after Atlas folded-Buckler's Demon-Hunter became Devil Slayer (Marvel Spotlight #33) or The Scorpion by Chaykin becoming Dominic Fortune for Marvel?
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Post by Dizzy D on Sept 27, 2015 16:26:29 GMT -5
The most recent examples of the phenomenon are perhaps Angela and Marvelman. Still can't understand why, having finally gotten the rights to Marvelman, a company actually called 'Marvel' are still calling him 'Miracleman'. Since they caused the name change in the first place by threatening legal action (even though Marvelman actually predated Marvel Comics) that's just adding insult to injury in my book. Probably because the Moore/Gaiman reprints they are doing were published as Miracleman. They do call him Marvelman in the older stories they reprint. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 27, 2015 19:35:31 GMT -5
What about some of the Atlas characters who were repurposed at Marvel after Atlas folded-Buckler's Demon-Hunter became Devil Slayer (Marvel Spotlight #33) or The Scorpion by Chaykin becoming Dominic Fortune for Marvel? -M Oh yeah. Good one. That counts more than Ghost Rider, thank you everyone in the universe for correcting me.  |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 28, 2015 0:57:38 GMT -5
What about some of the Atlas characters who were repurposed at Marvel after Atlas folded-Buckler's Demon-Hunter became Devil Slayer (Marvel Spotlight #33) or The Scorpion by Chaykin becoming Dominic Fortune for Marvel? -M Oh yeah. Good one. That counts more than Ghost Rider, thank you everyone in the universe for correcting me. Don't mention it. It's a carefully orchestrated conspiracy to destroy your self confidence.  |
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