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Post by tarkintino on Jan 24, 2020 15:59:02 GMT -5
On the other hand Count Dracula as part of the Marvel 'universe' has never worked for me... Good point. It does feel odd. I know it goes against the "superheroes shouldn't kill", but I have always found that argument to be too simplistic. No-one wants to kill, but if I had the opportunity to push a terrorist off a cliff before he could detonate a bomb, sure I'd take it! So one might expect that the various superheroes might have an interest in ending the Count's existence once and for all. Well, Doctor Strange did just that, and their battle was one of the best hero/villain conflicts Marvel ever published, but I believe its very underrated. After years of Dracula facing off against vampire hunters, superheroes and even other monsters, the logical counter to his Hellish nature/power was the most obvious choice of all. Getting rid of Dracula and all of Marvel-earth's vampires was a great storyline. Too bad Marvel could not leave well enough alone (*cough*NormanOsborn*cough*).
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Post by Crimebuster on Jan 24, 2020 16:11:21 GMT -5
Good point. It does feel odd. I know it goes against the "superheroes shouldn't kill", but I have always found that argument to be too simplistic. No-one wants to kill, but if I had the opportunity to push a terrorist off a cliff before he could detonate a bomb, sure I'd take it! So one might expect that the various superheroes might have an interest in ending the Count's existence once and for all. Well, Doctor Strange did just that, and their battle was one of the best hero/villain conflicts Marvel ever published, but I believe its very underrated. After years of Dracula facing off against vampire hunters, superheroes and even other monsters, the logical counter to his Hellish nature/power was the most obvious choice of all. Getting rid of Dracula and all of Marvel-earth's vampires was a great storyline. Too bad Marvel could not leave well enough alone (*cough*NormanOsborn*cough*). Totally agree! The bulk of this story was in Doctor Strange #58-62 for those interested. It also crossed over (sort of) into Thor #333. A great, underrated storyline.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 24, 2020 17:28:19 GMT -5
I really liked that story (even if I feared at the time that the Marvel Universe was shrinking too fast), especially since it explained the discrepancies between Marv Wolfman’s and Chris Claremont’s Dracula. It was also neat that instead of a spell that killed all vampires, our heroes removed a curse allowing them to exist in the first place; that death really sounded like it should have been permanent!
(But of course it wasn’t).
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Post by Crimebuster on Jan 24, 2020 17:29:46 GMT -5
I believe this is the first time since the Red Circle days that they have done serious horror. They've had horror-themed issues of their usual kid-friendly books occasionally in between, particularly in the original Life with Archie series, but though some of those approached true horror at times, it wasn't really the same as Red Circle or the current Archie Horror books. There were two issues of this, though, while drawn in Archie house style, didn't include any of the regular characters beside Sabrina as narrator.
True. And this is a great comic! However, it pre-dated the Red Circle line of horror books I mentioned — issue #3 is when they introduced the red Circle imprint.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 24, 2020 21:56:24 GMT -5
Did Captain America not kill anyone in WWII? Seems unlikely. I'd have thought he, like Nick Fury, must've killed quite a number. Also would have to think Sub-Mariner in sinking ships in the war also had to have had many deaths on his hands. Reed Richard and Ben Grimm used to be said to have served in the war also... but they might've more easily ret-conned that away by now.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 24, 2020 22:01:29 GMT -5
Of course they all did. War is hell.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 24, 2020 22:35:41 GMT -5
I never like Super friends. It was aired at a time where TV violence was eliminated in cartoon shows, so whenever they fought an opponent that wanted to nuke the planet , they just patted hm on the back and said they understood that he just made a mistake. Yuck !
There I said it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 7:39:17 GMT -5
I never like Super friends. It was aired at a time where TV violence was eliminated in cartoon shows, so whenever they fought an opponent that wanted to nuke the planet , they just patted hm on the back and said they understood that he just made a mistake. Yuck ! There I said it. I've been watching The New Adventures of Batman on DVD. While I have enjoyed the hugely entertaining nature of the episodes, the lack of punch-ups in any episodes has been disappointing (others here explained the network rules of the time). So I had to settle for nets landing on supervillains, their vehicles being scooped up by helicopters, etc. Didn't the 90s Spidey cartoon also have some rather bizarre rules it was forced to follow? I'm sure I read that once.
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Post by rberman on Jan 25, 2020 7:57:13 GMT -5
I never like Super friends. It was aired at a time where TV violence was eliminated in cartoon shows, so whenever they fought an opponent that wanted to nuke the planet , they just patted hm on the back and said they understood that he just made a mistake. Yuck ! There I said it. I've been watching The New Adventures of Batman on DVD. While I have enjoyed the hugely entertaining nature of the episodes, the lack of punch-ups in any episodes has been disappointing (others here explained the network rules of the time). So I had to settle for nets landing on supervillains, their vehicles being scooped up by helicopters, etc. Didn't the 90s Spidey cartoon also have some rather bizarre rules it was forced to follow? I'm sure I read that once. This episode of the early 90s X-Men cartoon exemplifies the approach taken. The X-Men fight the Juggernaut beginning around the 13:00 mark. People get picked up and thrown against walls, but never punched. Wolverine often pops his claws but never strikes a person with them. At one point Juggernaut starts winding up his fist to punch Wolverine but is interrupted before striking. And so on. Really the creators did a good job making exciting action within the strictures given them.
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Post by tarkintino on Jan 25, 2020 11:37:19 GMT -5
I never like Super friends. It was aired at a time where TV violence was eliminated in cartoon shows, so whenever they fought an opponent that wanted to nuke the planet , they just patted hm on the back and said they understood that he just made a mistake. Yuck ! There I said it. The Super Friends was a horrible run of shows; aside from the lack of violence (thanks to networks and studios bending to the moronic Action for Childrens' Television arm twisting/propaganda), the characters were all acting like camp counselors / substitute teachers in costumes. Their version of Batman was some guy who had a gadget for everything--utterly powerless without his utility belt (a broad exaggeration of the 1966-68 Batman TV series), Aquaman never had much to do (lazy and/or thoughtless writers), while Superman's most physical act usually involved landing in front of someone and holding out his hand like a crossing guard. I would comment on the stories, but it would fall along the lines of, "what story?" As someone who was reading the Justice League of America comics in the 70s, the contrast with that series was so glaring, that if someone said to me that the Super Friends was a parody, I would almost believe it, because there was no resemblance between it and the source.
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Post by Graphic Autist on Jan 25, 2020 12:17:43 GMT -5
As a little kid, I loved Super Friends. Totally unwatchable for me now, though...
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 25, 2020 12:29:04 GMT -5
Never liked SuperFriends either. The characters had no relation to the ones in the comics. An Wonder Twins and Gleek were awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 12:33:55 GMT -5
I haven't seen it, but I did see Challenge of the Super Friends on R1 DVD (which also contains a great documentary!). Challenge seemed pretty good when judged by the standards of animation/stories at the time.
I can't remember if there was any violence as such in it, it was certainly tame compared to what came later.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 25, 2020 15:08:22 GMT -5
I have very vague memories of the Wendy & Marvin (plus a dog in a cape) cartoon. I remember a solo Batman cartoon being a bit better but I tended not to watch cartoons if there was a Krofft or any other live-action show on (even those dubbed Czech productions or Pippi Longstockings). I did watch Groovy Goolies and the Pussycats In Outer-Space a lot though... and Scooby-doo if I hadn't already seen it. I can't think of any other cartoon that came near Star-Blazers, it was really way out on it's own barring a Jonny Quest re-run when I was doing the Saturday Morning and a bowl of Alpha Bits scene. Star-Blazers for best cartoon of the '70s!
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Post by impulse on Jan 25, 2020 17:21:35 GMT -5
I loved the X-Men animated series as a kid. Like I LOVED it. It is sooooo cheesy now. I still like it.
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