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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 14, 2021 13:35:28 GMT -5
I didn't remember the covers since I read the first two HC's. But if there were any shocking covers they did the book itself a service. As I enjoyed the first volume but by the second one I got the same reaction as trying to watch TWD. No thank you. That said Glenn Farby was perfect for the kind of things visually in that book.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 14, 2021 21:27:21 GMT -5
I never read Preacher (and shock value of the covers was a pretty big reason); so, I can't comment on that. Which covers are you thinking of? I seem to remember them being mostly fairly generic Glenn Fabry paintings. Well, from the get go, the first issue's cover kind of gave me a vibe that it wasn't my kind of book. Not a shocking cover, per se, but just the look of it and what I read in Advance said it wasn't my kind of material. This said it even stronger... I wasn't a huge Vertigo buyer, until they started to branch out more away from primarily horror and supernatural. The early trades got me to try Sandman, but my shop didn't get much extra and it was hard to find a jumping on point, since I always seemed to catch it in mid-epic. Doom Patrol never clicked with me and Morrison has always been hit and miss. I can't explain why Marshall Law wasn't a problem for me, aside from the superhero parodies and that I seem to get Mills far more than Ennis. Until War Stories, I wasn't a fan of anything I did try from Ennis. Those were more straightforward tales, rather than anything extreme, vulgar, or violent for the shock value. The violence was generally justified by historical detail. My Vertigo favs were more things like Chiaroscuro and American Century. Both had historical hooks that grabbed me, plus the art (and creators).
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Post by brutalis on May 15, 2021 14:52:34 GMT -5
Rather sad how collecting comics has changes. Used to be a person can "want" the highest price they could desire. It was up to buyers deciding how much they "want" an issue and haggering over price until BOTH seller and buyer were happy. Now it is a cold cut and dry business where everyone stockpiles multiple issues, slab's them and say it is worth X-amount of dollars. Pay that and it is yours. All because now the selling prices are considered to be set in stone as folks buy up mindlessly hoping to turn it around for more money than they paid.
The days of over the fence trading of neighbor kids is gone as comic books are an adult game now all about the money. I miss the days of haggling, dickering and trade of comics for the sheer desire of needing that issue to read or fill a collection.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 16, 2021 16:32:38 GMT -5
There might be more flexibility when you get away from places like eBay. I heard stories of Valiant books being slabbed and are now worthless.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 16, 2021 18:29:21 GMT -5
Which covers are you thinking of? I seem to remember them being mostly fairly generic Glenn Fabry paintings. Well, from the get go, the first issue's cover kind of gave me a vibe that it wasn't my kind of book. Not a shocking cover, per se, but just the look of it and what I read in Advance said it wasn't my kind of material. This said it even stronger... I wasn't a huge Vertigo buyer, until they started to branch out more away from primarily horror and supernatural. The early trades got me to try Sandman, but my shop didn't get much extra and it was hard to find a jumping on point, since I always seemed to catch it in mid-epic. Doom Patrol never clicked with me and Morrison has always been hit and miss. I can't explain why Marshall Law wasn't a problem for me, aside from the superhero parodies and that I seem to get Mills far more than Ennis. Until War Stories, I wasn't a fan of anything I did try from Ennis. Those were more straightforward tales, rather than anything extreme, vulgar, or violent for the shock value. The violence was generally justified by historical detail. My Vertigo favs were more things like Chiaroscuro and American Century. Both had historical hooks that grabbed me, plus the art (and creators). Back in the day, the owner of my local LCS tried to push Preacher on me, having noticed that I was a big Sandman and Hellblazer fan. "It's super violent!" he said enthusiastically, which unbeknownst to him was absolutely not the way to get me to try a new comic. I passed. Months later I bought and read the second collection, thinking "what the hey." And yes, there was violence in the book (although so caricatural that it amounted to Road Runner violence). But the humour, authentic drama, social commentary and lack of preachy politics won me over. That mag was my favourite comic for many years after that! Heartily recommended. Really.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 16, 2021 19:15:07 GMT -5
Well, from the get go, the first issue's cover kind of gave me a vibe that it wasn't my kind of book. Not a shocking cover, per se, but just the look of it and what I read in Advance said it wasn't my kind of material. This said it even stronger... I wasn't a huge Vertigo buyer, until they started to branch out more away from primarily horror and supernatural. The early trades got me to try Sandman, but my shop didn't get much extra and it was hard to find a jumping on point, since I always seemed to catch it in mid-epic. Doom Patrol never clicked with me and Morrison has always been hit and miss. I can't explain why Marshall Law wasn't a problem for me, aside from the superhero parodies and that I seem to get Mills far more than Ennis. Until War Stories, I wasn't a fan of anything I did try from Ennis. Those were more straightforward tales, rather than anything extreme, vulgar, or violent for the shock value. The violence was generally justified by historical detail. My Vertigo favs were more things like Chiaroscuro and American Century. Both had historical hooks that grabbed me, plus the art (and creators). Back in the day, the owner of my local LCS tried to push Preacher on me, having noticed that I was a big Sandman and Hellblazer fan. "It's super violent!" he said enthusiastically, which unbeknownst to him was absolutely not the way to get me to try a new comic. I passed. Months later I bought and read the second collection, thinking "what the hey." And yes, there was violence in the book (although so caricatural that it amounted to Road Runner violence). But the humour, authentic drama, social commentary and lack of preachy politics won me over. That mag was my favourite comic for many years after that! Heartily recommended. Really. I'll take your word for it, for the time being. I still haven't read Y The Last Man and Fables (other than the first few issues), which are more up my alley. I have digital of Vertigo, if I get an urge to look at it.
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Post by The Captain on May 16, 2021 19:23:17 GMT -5
Back in the day, the owner of my local LCS tried to push Preacher on me, having noticed that I was a big Sandman and Hellblazer fan. "It's super violent!" he said enthusiastically, which unbeknownst to him was absolutely not the way to get me to try a new comic. I passed. Months later I bought and read the second collection, thinking "what the hey." And yes, there was violence in the book (although so caricatural that it amounted to Road Runner violence). But the humour, authentic drama, social commentary and lack of preachy politics won me over. That mag was my favourite comic for many years after that! Heartily recommended. Really. I'll take your word for it, for the time being. I still haven't read Y The Last Man and Fables (other than the first few issues), which are more up my alley. I have digital of Vertigo, if I get an urge to look at it. Preacher is mostly awesome, although it does hit some slow and low points (the Meat Man storyline toward the end). I sold my complete run years ago right after they announced the TV show and made A TON of money, as I had no intention of reading it again. Tried to read Y The Last Man, but only made it through the first 10 issues. Just didn't grab me. The first 75 issues of Fables are spectacular, as they tell a complete, well-thought-out story. The rest of the series is still above-average, but there is a distinct feel to it like they knew they had to keep going since the book was popular but didn't really have a plan to make that happen. I liken it to the TV show Supernatural, which told a complete story in its first five seasons and could have stopped at the end of that and it would have been satisfying, but they kept going and the remainder was mostly good but you could tell that they didn't have a real roadmap for a good portion of it (although I would say the last three seasons were pretty much focused on the finale).
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 16, 2021 20:30:06 GMT -5
Fables did pick up again before the end... while some of the 2nd half of the series is a bit lackluster... 'the Good prince' is a good story, and the stuff with the wolf cubs is fantastic. Deifnitely doesn't compare to the 1st 75 issues though, which is just about as good as comics get.
Y the last Man never grabbed me, either.
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Post by tartanphantom on May 16, 2021 20:32:38 GMT -5
Fables did pick up again before the end... while some of the 2nd half of the series is a bit lackluster... 'the Good prince' is a good story, and the stuff with the wolf cubs is fantastic. Deifnitely doesn't compare to the 1st 75 issues though, which is just about as good as comics get. Y the last Man never grabbed me, either.
I may be in the minority, but I also enjoyed the spin-off title, "Jack of Fables"-- even though it was pretty darn quirky for some tastes.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 20:55:34 GMT -5
I guess I am one of the few who really dug Y the Last Man around here. It and Fables came out around the time and I liked both, but I actually like Y better and stayed with it to the end, while I petered out on Fables after while. I haven't reread either in years though (something I intend to change sometime in the no too distant future).
-M
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 21:04:02 GMT -5
I loved Y: the Last Man. i have the whole series. . if the TV show ever comes out and prices jump, I might go dig to find them
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 21:04:26 GMT -5
I mean.. who didn't love Ampersand???
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 17, 2021 12:16:28 GMT -5
Well, from the get go, the first issue's cover kind of gave me a vibe that it wasn't my kind of book. Not a shocking cover, per se, but just the look of it and what I read in Advance said it wasn't my kind of material. This said it even stronger... I wasn't a huge Vertigo buyer, until they started to branch out more away from primarily horror and supernatural. The early trades got me to try Sandman, but my shop didn't get much extra and it was hard to find a jumping on point, since I always seemed to catch it in mid-epic. Doom Patrol never clicked with me and Morrison has always been hit and miss. I can't explain why Marshall Law wasn't a problem for me, aside from the superhero parodies and that I seem to get Mills far more than Ennis. Until War Stories, I wasn't a fan of anything I did try from Ennis. Those were more straightforward tales, rather than anything extreme, vulgar, or violent for the shock value. The violence was generally justified by historical detail. My Vertigo favs were more things like Chiaroscuro and American Century. Both had historical hooks that grabbed me, plus the art (and creators). Back in the day, the owner of my local LCS tried to push Preacher on me, having noticed that I was a big Sandman and Hellblazer fan. "It's super violent!" he said enthusiastically, which unbeknownst to him was absolutely not the way to get me to try a new comic. I passed. Months later I bought and read the second collection, thinking "what the hey." And yes, there was violence in the book (although so caricatural that it amounted to Road Runner violence). But the humour, authentic drama, social commentary and lack of preachy politics won me over. That mag was my favourite comic for many years after that! Heartily recommended. Really. Yep. If you're reading Preacher for the violence, then you're completely missing the point of the book. For those who don't think that Ennis can do a book without nastiness and violence, I'll just point you to Hellblazer #46 and #63, the latter of which is one of my favorite single issues of all time.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 12:38:22 GMT -5
Back in the day, the owner of my local LCS tried to push Preacher on me, having noticed that I was a big Sandman and Hellblazer fan. "It's super violent!" he said enthusiastically, which unbeknownst to him was absolutely not the way to get me to try a new comic. I passed. Months later I bought and read the second collection, thinking "what the hey." And yes, there was violence in the book (although so caricatural that it amounted to Road Runner violence). But the humour, authentic drama, social commentary and lack of preachy politics won me over. That mag was my favourite comic for many years after that! Heartily recommended. Really. Yep. If you're reading Preacher for the violence, then you're completely missing the point of the book. For those who don't think that Ennis can do a book without nastiness and violence, I'll just point you to Hellblazer #46 and #63, the latter of which is one of my favorite single issues of all time. I think a lot of comic fans dislike Ennis because he takes a piss on super-heroes whenever he writes them, and at heart they are super-hero fans not fans of the medium of comics, so they get upset with his take on capes and cowls and don't appreciate the stories he writes in other genres. I couldn't get into Preacher and gave up after three attempts, but I really dig Ennis' war comics and some of his crime stuff. I think in those genres he does a better job at avoiding some of his tics as a writer and is less self-indulgent at taking a piss on things he doesn't like all that much as well, but I think it's great that there are fans of his other stuff (and fans of of super-hero comics) as well even if that stuff by Ennis not my cuppa. Comics is a big medium and there should be room for all types of stuff there and not everything has to be directed at one monolithic audience that buys super-hero comics. -M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 17, 2021 12:49:18 GMT -5
Yep. If you're reading Preacher for the violence, then you're completely missing the point of the book. For those who don't think that Ennis can do a book without nastiness and violence, I'll just point you to Hellblazer #46 and #63, the latter of which is one of my favorite single issues of all time. I think a lot of comic fans dislike Ennis because he takes a piss on super-heroes whenever he writes them, and at heart they are super-hero fans not fans of the medium of comics, so they get upset with his take on capes and cowls and don't appreciate the stories he writes in other genres. I couldn't get into Preacher and gave up after three attempts, but I really dig Ennis' war comics and some of his crime stuff. I think in those genres he does a better job at avoiding some of his tics as a writer and is less self-indulgent at taking a piss on things he doesn't like all that much as well, but I think it's great that there are fans of his other stuff (and fans of of super-hero comics) as well even if that stuff by Ennis not my cuppa. Comics is a big medium and there should be room for all types of stuff there and not everything has to be directed at one monolithic audience that buys super-hero comics. -M I think that's certainly part of it. Superhero fans definitely get their undies in a bunch when someone doesn't revere the long underwear crowd. The thing is that Ennis takes the piss about most everything. And if you really look at, say, Hitman, he's okay with superheroes on his terms. But that leads back to another point. An awful lot of American comic readers seem to have a hard time understanding British (yes, I know Ennis is Irish but he's Northern Irish) working class humor and politics and get really butthurt over them. You can see it time and again when they get whiny after an interview where Alan Moore decides to twist them up.
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