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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 9, 2016 9:24:13 GMT -5
I have been watching DC's Justice League and just now started Justice League Unlimited. In a few episodes Dr Fate uses, Aquaman, Grundy and Hawkgirl, ala The Defenders to fight a Thanagarian demon reminiscent of Lovecraft's Cthulhu. In this story Grundy and Hawkgirl become friends as teammates. And in a final attempt to defeat the demon, Grundy is killed. And Hawkgirl weeps for him, and tries to comfort Grundy. Then in a an episode of JLU, Grundy appears possessed by a chaos demon that was inadvertently summoned by some meddling teenagers. The demon was so powerful that the JL could not stop Grundy. Hawkgirl tried to reach Grundy but the demon's possession was too strong and Grundy didn't recognize her. Dr Fate tells her that only her mace made of Nth metal can stop Grundy. And in a very short moment of clarity when Grundy seizes control of himself, Hawkgirl is forced to kill him to stop his rampage. In Batman The Brave and the Bold he was depicted as a crime boss. Capable of thought processes enough to have a gang of criminals helping him. There are several other episodes where he teamed up with other villains to steal/commit crimes. So I am wondering if this friendly and simple minded version of Grundy is exclusive to DC's JL series or if this was ever his portrayal in comics. I have a few Grundy appearances in Batman titles where he's pretty much a villain or at least muscle for someone else using him. I'd be interested in him as in the JL and JLU shows. Though I wouldn't mind some suggestions of Grundy in general. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 9, 2016 10:18:47 GMT -5
James Robinson addresses the various ways that Grundy acted throughout his history in Starman (1994).
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 9, 2016 10:59:58 GMT -5
I've got to read that series someday !
Grundy is more Hulk-like than anything, and could be on the side of angels or manipulated by the bad guys.
Surprised we don't see more of the character.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 9, 2016 11:07:14 GMT -5
A rather simple minded version of Grundy is befriended by Jade and becomes an ally of the team in the original Infinity Inc series.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 9, 2016 12:47:49 GMT -5
That's funny. Anytime I've seen Grundy in the comics, which admittedly isn't a huge amount, he's been simple minded and, as hondobrode said, Hulk-like. In fact, it was just about a week ago I read Superman #301, which has that version of Grundy. I've never seen the crime boss version that adamwarlock2099 mentions.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 9, 2016 12:49:03 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to read what I have of Starman again, as at the point I have, I don't know if it's I don't remember Grundy being it or if I hadn't gotten to that point in the first three Omnibuses. I'll check the library and see if they have any collections.
I was reading Batman: SOTB 39 at lunch just now, remembering this was my first Grundy story I read, and he has a flashback of Alan Scott and Jade. But this was an angry and violent Grundy. Killed like six people by the end of the story. And would have killed the lone boy that survived if it weren't for Batman. I looked on Lone Star and it looks like the storyline in the first ten issues, is about Grundy and Ultra-Humanite (another character in JL that I haven't read any comics of).
Thanks for the suggestions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 13:32:51 GMT -5
I thought anytime Grundy was destroyed he was "reborn" with different powers, personality & intelligence.
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Post by Red Oak Kid on Aug 9, 2016 14:28:55 GMT -5
What was the first appearance of Solomon Grundy?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 9, 2016 14:38:24 GMT -5
What was the first appearance of Solomon Grundy? All-American Comics #61 (October 1944). Created by Alfred Bester and Paul Reinman. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 14:41:40 GMT -5
What was the first appearance of Solomon Grundy? 1944 All-American Comics #61 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 15:31:44 GMT -5
What was the first appearance of Solomon Grundy? All-American Comics #61 (October 1944). Created by Alfred Bester and Paul Reinman. What was the first appearance of Solomon Grundy? 1944 All-American Comics #61 And I believe the first Silver Age appearance was Showcase #55, Apr 1965 which also featured the 1st solo GA Green Lantern as a guest star in the Hourman & Dr. Fate storiy where Grundy returns to earth after being imprisoned in a Green Lantern bubble in space since the Golden Age.  -M |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 9, 2016 16:43:55 GMT -5
That's funny. Anytime I've seen Grundy in the comics, which admittedly isn't a huge amount, he's been simple minded and, as hondobrode said, Hulk-like. In fact, it was just about a week ago I read Superman #301, which has that version of Grundy. I've never seen the crime boss version that adamwarlock2099 mentions.That's what I remember from either one episode or a two episode story that was in the Batman Brave and the Bold animated series. I could be remembering wrong, but it wasn't just Grundy acting alone and going on a rampage. It was him with some other human criminals robbing a bank. I believe he and Canary get were in a fight in that episode. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 9, 2016 16:46:38 GMT -5
Solomon Grundy appeared three or four times in the 1940s. And he was a Force of Nature bent on destruction with a very special hatred of the Golden Age Green Lantern. One of these appearances was All-Star Comics #33, where Solomon Grundy's vendetta against GL led him to the JSA HQ, and the entire membership was dragged into the struggle.  This is my favorite JSA appearance ever. And he was essentially the same character (with minor modifications as you try to sort through the Earth-1 and Earth-2 versions) for a very long time. Way into the 1980s. This idea that he was a different character every time seems to me to be a contrivance of the 1990s. The different versions were really just a handful of stories from the Post-Crisis era. A lot of people like the James Robinson explanation of the character, even if I'm not one of them. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 10, 2016 7:04:40 GMT -5
Solomon Grundy began as a soulless monster, not stupid so much as ignorant, who killed because he enjoyed it. Unlike Universal's Frankenstein Monster, after whom Solly's original visual was based, there was nothing sympathetic about him at all. Murphy Anderson softened the visual a bit in Showcase #55 but it was Julius Schwartz, Gardner Fox, and Mike Sekowsky in JLA #46-47 that turned Grundy into DC's version of the Hulk (both in terms of appearance and personality), a move I personally detest. The Golden Age Grundy is one of my all-time favorite villains. None of the subsequent versions would make my Top Fifty.
Cei-U!
I summon the scary-ass swamp creature!
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 10, 2016 8:28:11 GMT -5
Solomon Grundy began as a soulless monster, not stupid so much as ignorant, who killed because he enjoyed it. Unlike Universal's Frankenstein Monster, after whom Solly's original visual was based, there was nothing sympathetic about him at all. Murphy Anderson softened the visual a bit in Showcase #55 but it was Julius Schwartz, Gardner Fox, and Mike Sekowsky in JLA #46-47 that turned Grundy into DC's version of the Hulk (both in terms of appearance and personality), a move I personally detest. The Golden Age Grundy is one of my all-time favorite villains. None of the subsequent versions would make my Top Fifty. Cei-U! I summon the scary-ass swamp creature! Thanks, Cei-U! I'd often wondered if Grundy had always been Hulk-like or not. I had a suspicion that he'd been changed into a Hulk knock-off, but I haven't read any of his earlier appearances. |
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