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Post by tingramretro on Sept 10, 2016 11:18:16 GMT -5
Alan Moore has said in an interiew in the Guardian newspaper that he's said pretty much all that he can in comics. He reckons he has "about 250 pages of comics left in me", including a final book of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and then he intends to move on to other mediums that he thinks will be more challenging. He's also reiterated his often stated belief that the current superhero comics scene is becoming rather stagnant. www.theguardian.com/books/2016/sep/08/alan-moore-confirms-he-is-retiring-from-creating-comic-books |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 22:59:15 GMT -5
It's been awhile since I read anything by him that I really enjoyed.
Well, at least anything that he's written recently. I will pick the final League of Extraordinary Gentlemen project, but I've given up enjoying any of his recent Avatar work.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 11, 2016 8:07:17 GMT -5
Here's the actual video where these quotes come from. Once again, the reality is that Moore is anything but "bitter and angry." I particularly like his comments about not wanting to cater to what fans want, like superhero movie franchises, but rather focus only on the stuff that really interests him.
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Post by berkley on Sept 11, 2016 17:16:55 GMT -5
I thought Voice of the Fire was very good so I'm looking forward to Jerusalem and to seeing what he comes up with after that.
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Post by coinilius on Sept 11, 2016 23:28:17 GMT -5
Here's the actual video where these quotes come from. Once again, the reality is that Moore is anything but "bitter and angry." I particularly like his comments about not wanting to cater to what fans want, like superhero movie franchises, but rather focus only on the stuff that really interests him. Where are you getting the 'people think he is being bitter and angry' bit from -I mean, I am sure that there are proper out there right now calling him bitter and angry, but I didn't get that vibe from any of the comments here... Did the guardian article linked to have that sort of tone? I'm at work so I've only skimmed the article so far... |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 12, 2016 2:05:07 GMT -5
Here's the actual video where these quotes come from. Once again, the reality is that Moore is anything but "bitter and angry." I particularly like his comments about not wanting to cater to what fans want, like superhero movie franchises, but rather focus only on the stuff that really interests him. Where are you getting the 'people think he is being bitter and angry' bit from -I mean, I am sure that there are proper out there right now calling him bitter and angry, but I didn't get that vibe from any of the comments here... Did the guardian article linked to have that sort of tone? I'm at work so I've only skimmed the article so far... Sorry, I wasn't talking about anyone here. My thoughts went mainly to what I read on CBR (when I bother to check article comments) and other such articles. |
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Post by coinilius on Sept 12, 2016 2:27:55 GMT -5
No need to apologise, Nowhere Man, that's what I thought you meant - I can imagine that there are a lot of people out there taking things out of context or characterising Alan Moore a certain way based on these announcements.
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 12, 2016 3:41:31 GMT -5
No need to apologise, Nowhere Man, that's what I thought you meant - I can imagine that there are a lot of people out there taking things out of context or characterising Alan Moore a certain way based on these announcements. People have been calling Alan "bitter and angry" for years, mostly (it seems to me) because he won't just come back and write a Wolverine or Batman series for the mainstream. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen any indication of bitterness from him. He's relentlesly honest and uncompromising and sticks to his principles, that's all. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 12, 2016 6:23:54 GMT -5
No need to apologise, Nowhere Man, that's what I thought you meant - I can imagine that there are a lot of people out there taking things out of context or characterising Alan Moore a certain way based on these announcements. People have been calling Alan "bitter and angry" for years, mostly (it seems to me) because he won't just come back and write a Wolverine or Batman series for the mainstream. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen any indication of bitterness from him. He's relentlesly honest and uncompromising and sticks to his principles, that's all. Exactly. Plus he's hilarious and charming. As an American, I can say first hand that many people in the mainstream American comic industry simply do not get his persona at all. I think this amuses him.  |
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Post by Spike-X on Sept 13, 2016 5:19:16 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen any indication of bitterness from him. He's relentlesly honest and uncompromising and sticks to his principles, that's all. Rorschach would be proud! I have seen him being rather bitter about his treatment by DC over the years, but given his treatment by DC over the years, who could blame him? |
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Post by Warmonger on Sept 13, 2016 10:10:20 GMT -5
No need to apologise, Nowhere Man, that's what I thought you meant - I can imagine that there are a lot of people out there taking things out of context or characterising Alan Moore a certain way based on these announcements. People have been calling Alan "bitter and angry" for years, mostly (it seems to me) because he won't just come back and write a Wolverine or Batman series for the mainstream. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen any indication of bitterness from him. He's relentlesly honest and uncompromising and sticks to his principles, that's all. I also like that he and Howard Chaykin have repeatedly called out Grant Morrison for being the pretentious douchebag that he is. |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 13, 2016 10:35:00 GMT -5
People have been calling Alan "bitter and angry" for years, mostly (it seems to me) because he won't just come back and write a Wolverine or Batman series for the mainstream. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen any indication of bitterness from him. He's relentlesly honest and uncompromising and sticks to his principles, that's all. I also like that he and Howard Chaykin have repeatedly called out Grant Morrison for being the pretentious douchebag that he is. I always feel slightly guilty for not being much of a fan of Morrison or his work; I kind of vaguely feel that, as a patriotic British comics fan, I should be proud of Morrison, the workig class Glasgow boy, for having really risen to the top of his profession and become one of the most celebrated comics writers in the world. But...I can't help it. I really don't understand why he's so celebrated. And a lot of the time, he basically just comes across as a bit of a wanker. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 13, 2016 18:43:19 GMT -5
I think it's because Morrison is so obvious in his deep need to be seen as a "mad genius." He's too overt in this desire, while Alan More simply IS a "mad genius" and is, quite frankly, the authentic version of what Morrison wishes he was.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 19:43:12 GMT -5
Grant Morrison is the Dan Brown (Da Vinci Code) of comics. If you bother to do an ounce of research, you can find all the source material he is riffing from to put together his "wild ideas" and it's all much more interesting in its original from than in the ham-fisted guided tours through the source material Morrison calls comic stories. Writers all have inspiration, but it's what you do with the material that inspired you vis-a-vis what is on the pages you create that separates innovators from hacks. Creators and innovators take the inspiration and do something new or synthesize it into something that hasn't been seen before. Hacks retread it and call it their own. Brown is a hack, entertaining to be sure, but he simply repackages other people ideas and offers nothing new except a point of view character to act as a tour guide and exposition piece. Invisibles and other early Morrison material that everyone thought was so wild and original is the same damn thing once you track down the bits he cribbed from like Terrence McKenna's theories, Templar/Illuminatti folklore, conspiracy theories etc. Dane and King Mob (And Buddy and Cliff/Robotman) just take you on a mish mash tour of other people's ideas. His Superman and Batman stuff uses previous incarnations of the characters (Silver Age etc.) in the same vein really. It's usually entertaining, but the brilliant creative genius behind it really isn't Morrison, it's who he reads and cribs from.
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 14, 2016 1:13:02 GMT -5
Grant Morrison is the Dan Brown (Da Vinci Code) of comics. If you bother to do an ounce of research, you can find all the source material he is riffing from to put together his "wild ideas" and it's all much more interesting in its original from than in the ham-fisted guided tours through the source material Morrison calls comic stories. Writers all have inspiration, but it's what you do with the material that inspired you vis-a-vis what is on the pages you create that separates innovators from hacks. Creators and innovators take the inspiration and do something new or synthesize it into something that hasn't been seen before. Hacks retread it and call it their own. Brown is a hack, entertaining to be sure, but he simply repackages other people ideas and offers nothing new except a point of view character to act as a tour guide and exposition piece. Invisibles and other early Morrison material that everyone thought was so wild and original is the same damn thing once you track down the bits he cribbed from like Terrence McKenna's theories, Templar/Illuminatti folklore, conspiracy theories etc. Dane and King Mob (And Buddy and Cliff/Robotman) just take you on a mish mash tour of other people's ideas. His Superman and Batman stuff uses previous incarnations of the characters (Silver Age etc.) in the same vein really. It's usually entertaining, but the brilliant creative genius behind it really isn't Morrison, it's who he reads and cribs from. -M I'd say that was a pretty accurate assessment. About the only thing of Morrison's I've ever realy liked was Animal Man, but it's still not really anything particularly original, and a lot of it still reads like early Alan Moore . |
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