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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 9, 2020 6:51:58 GMT -5
OK, the round of 16 is over and it’s on to the quarters!
The Avengers won over Cap’s other groups, the Invaders, 17-5
The X-Men beat the Freedom Fighters 20-11
The JLA crushed the Challengers of the Unknown 21-4
The Teen Titans beat the Outsiders 18-5
The Fantastic Four defeated the Metal Men 22-
The Legion beat that other space faring group, the Guardians of the Galaxy 18-11
The JSA defeated the Doom Patrol 16-8
In the one nail biter, the Defenders squeaked past the All-Star Squadron 14-13
Now it's time for Avengers-Defenders War II!
Poll will lock Monday March 16 at 6 AM EST.
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 9, 2020 8:14:54 GMT -5
This isn't even close for me. Defenders was a barely readable mess for much of its run. Classic Avengers is the best team book of all time.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 9, 2020 8:47:21 GMT -5
This isn't even close for me. Defenders was a barely readable mess for much of its run. Classic Avengers is the best team book of all time. Hmmm, you just might be right about the Avengers. I do think that other groups have had higher highs (for me, anyway) such as the X-Men and Legion of Super-Heroes, but the Avengers had a run of excellence of 20 years which I think is unparalleled in comicdom. While I like some of the Defenders stuff yeah, it was really a pretty average, unexceptional comic for most of its run. Frankly, I was somewhat chagrined that it beat out the All-Star Squadron in the last round. Oh well. The Majority has spoken. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Mar 9, 2020 8:54:04 GMT -5
I enjoy the Defenders as a concept but as mentioned, the execution ranged from good at best to downright terrible. Avengers for the win.
By the way, which team does Hulk side with here? Or is he just causing destruction in general in this battle?
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 9, 2020 9:07:29 GMT -5
I enjoy the Defenders as a concept but as mentioned, the execution ranged from good at best to downright terrible. Avengers for the win. By the way, which team does Hulk side with here? Or is he just causing destruction in general in this battle? I think Hulk sides with Bird Man and Magician.  |
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 9, 2020 10:25:29 GMT -5
Yeah, definitely Magician and Bird-Nose and Sword-Girl! And then a short break for some beans and Hostess Fruit Pies!
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Post by brutalis on Mar 9, 2020 13:14:35 GMT -5
Non-Team means non-vote. Avengers Rule!
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 9, 2020 13:57:07 GMT -5
The Avengers are cool but I LOVE the Defenders
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 9, 2020 15:09:49 GMT -5
Yeah, definitely Magician and Bird-Nose and Sword-Girl! And then a short break for some beans and Hostess Fruit Pies! And baked beans!! |
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 9, 2020 23:59:53 GMT -5
This is like the NFL playing an XFL team. It might be entertaining; but the NFL is going to win and so are the Avengers.
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Post by MWGallaher on Mar 10, 2020 9:52:55 GMT -5
Defenders for me. Of the two teams' core quartets (after the Avengers' initial 15 floundering issues), I find Strange, Namor, Hulk and Val a lot more engaging than Cap, Hawkeye, Wanda and Pietro. It occurs to me that in the past 20 years or more, the Avengers has become the Defenders, with virtually every Marvel superhero outside the X-Men franchise rotating in for at least a few issues, but the Defenders went there first. And I always found the premise of the Defenders--a group of comfortable (if not admittedly so) peers--to feel more authentic than the Avengers, whose trappings of formality just never felt convincing to me.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 11, 2020 5:38:42 GMT -5
Defenders for me. Of the two teams' core quartets (after the Avengers' initial 15 floundering issues), I find Strange, Namor, Hulk and Val a lot more engaging than Cap, Hawkeye, Wanda and Pietro. It occurs to me that in the past 20 years or more, the Avengers has become the Defenders, with virtually every Marvel superhero outside the X-Men franchise rotating in for at least a few issues, but the Defenders went there first. And I always found the premise of the Defenders--a group of comfortable (if not admittedly so) peers--to feel more authentic than the Avengers, whose trappings of formality just never felt convincing to me. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. The Defenders, at least originally, had an interesting and unique conceptual framework. The Avengers tried to argue that being an Avenger was a grand tradition from, like, issue # 3, but the actual comic was just a bunch of people who didn't like each other much who had formed a team because... well because... Obviously the REASON for the Avengers to exist in universe was.... ummmm All commerical art tries to make money, but the Avengers (as much as I like the first few issues!) were an obviously and unabashedly mercenary venture right from the get-go, and all this talk about "The Hallowed tradition of Avengerdom" was a flimsy attempt to lend conceptual gravitas to a big stinkin' hunk of nothin'. And I think the early conceptual flimsiness... And, again, I'd rate the actual first year of the Avengers a solid "A"... has dogged the franchise to this very day. (So why do I like the first couple issues so much? Well among other reasons the original Masters of Evil were one of the most dynamic and conceptually cohesive super-teams in comics. As long as a team book has ONE good team in it, I am happy.) Which is why my favorite "Avengers" runs were from the '00s: the Marvel Adventures title and the Ultimates. Both of those teams have a cogent in-story reason to exist. |
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