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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 17, 2021 15:21:51 GMT -5
Well, the quarterfinals are over, and we’re on to the semifinals! Only one particularly interesting matchup in the previous round, but I think things will heat up here.
Quarterfinal results:
60’s Marvel defeated 10’s DC 20-2
70’s Marvel defeated 00’s DC 22-4
80’s DC defeated 50’s DC 19-4
40’s DC defeated 90’s DC 13-8
This poll will close Wednesday, 3/24 at 3 PM EST.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 17, 2021 15:24:50 GMT -5
I am voting for 70's Marvel. Sure, 60' Marvel is more influential and important to the history of comics, but I just find the 70's output to be better, or at least more enjoyable to me. The All-New, All-Different X-Men, Master of Kung Fu, Conan, plus some other good licensed properties, the Defenders, the team-up books, plus I think the Avengers and Daredevil were better in the 70's, though in fairness I'm not sure the same could be said of the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, and Thor.
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Post by majestic on Mar 17, 2021 15:34:12 GMT -5
60s Marvel. Set up the entire modern Marvel era. Changed the style of comics going forward.
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Post by Graphic Autist on Mar 17, 2021 15:55:07 GMT -5
The 70s are my favorite decade for comics, so naturally I voted 70s Marvel.
This is not to say that the 60s were a bad period for Marvel in my opinion, just what I like better.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 17, 2021 16:05:56 GMT -5
I'm going to have to sit and think about this...but I'm not sure I can answer. It's been a pretty long time since I've read any very significant amount of either. Of the two I've read 60s Marvel more recently but it was largely the very earliest stories in the MU and for every one that was good there were two that were mediocre and at least one that was actively bad. It's been probably 15-20 years since I've read any significant amount from after 1963.
As for the 70s, it's been at least that 15-20 year period since I've read pretty much anything from Marvel in the 70s. Once upon a time it would have been a no-brainer, but the last few times I've tried to read much from the period it's been a slog. Claremont is completely unreadable, so I do know that.
I'll see if I can come up with a vote.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 17, 2021 16:38:29 GMT -5
60s Marvel. Set up the entire modern Marvel era. Changed the style of comics going forward. That, and Marvel in the 60s only grew in quality and importance with each year of the decade. The same cannot be said of Marvel in the 70s. |
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Post by brutalis on Mar 17, 2021 17:13:35 GMT -5
Gotta go 70's. This is when I discovered comic books and I would devour EVERY Marvel comic I could find. Combined with heavy reprints of 60's Marvel available and the influx of young fresh writers and artists, Marvel took an evolutionary leap far sooner than DC would dare until later decades. The 70's had the last push of new characters as well for series.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 17, 2021 18:03:45 GMT -5
This one is probably the closest for me, though 60s Marvel, for my tastes, breaks down to Lee & Kirby FF, Lee & Ditko Spider-Man and Steranko Nick Fury. Those are the significant works, for me, along with Ditko and Kirby's art on Dr Strange and Thor, respectively. The 70s are a bigger ballgame, for me, with a lot more variety of memorable stories and concepts. It's my era, far more than the 60s, which I discovered via reprints. I lived the 70s and 80s, which is why they stand out more, in my mind.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 17, 2021 18:44:40 GMT -5
Hard for me as well. The 70s is where I became a comics fan (as in fanatic) staring with Conan and then all those great Bronze Age books. But Marvels 60s defined what Marvel is and what the whole superhero comics world is to this day. I will have to think on this.
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Post by berkley on Mar 17, 2021 22:59:30 GMT -5
It's all so wrapped up in emotions and nostalgia that I can't judge objectively between the two. Obviously one evolved from the other, there wouldn't have been a 70s without a 60s Marvel, so maybe from that POV 60s should get the vote? OTOH, one might argue that the best of 70s Marvel built on the foundation laid down in the 60s and produced something richer, more elaborate and varied.
That first point - that the 70s grew out of the 60s - might seem so obvious that it hardly bears mentioning, but there's another aspect to it that makes it more significant than , say comparing 80s DC to 70s or 60s or earlier DC: that second generation of Marvel writers - Gerber, Englehart, etc - had been formed as writers largely by their reading of 60s Marvel as teenagers. I think this is different from the 80s or 90s DC case, where the books that made DC special mostly came from British writers like Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, and so on - writers who, yes, certainly had read DC comics in their youth, but who were influenced as writers more from other sources, other reading experiences.
Not to discount the non-comics literary influences of people like Gerber (a Pynchon admirer, I believe), Englehart, Don McGregor, etc, but I do se a difference there: I think you could have had the same kind of excellence at 80s-90s DC even if Moore, Gaiman, etc had never read a DC comic in their lives, but I don't think you could say the same of 70s Marvel.
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 17, 2021 23:18:32 GMT -5
This is the closest and most difficult vote for me, but despite the historical significance of the 60's, my heart belongs more to the 70's, and Marvels were some of my first comics.
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Post by MDG on Mar 18, 2021 8:21:35 GMT -5
I see it more like this:
60s: "Look what we can do!"
70s: "This is what we will do. Forever."
But, basically, I love the unplanned, seat of the pants, mom and pop feel of the 60s.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 18, 2021 8:37:36 GMT -5
I see it more like this: 60s: "Look what we can do!" 70s: "This is what we will do. Forever." But, basically, I love the unplanned, seat of the pants, mom and pop feel of the 60s. The amount of world-building 60s Marvel accomplished--particularly from 1966 to 1969--was astonishing, and it was one one of the last periods where Marvel did not feel every character had to know and/or involve themselves with others constantly (truly ramped up to ridiculous degrees in the 70s), as opposed special occasions. |
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 18, 2021 8:56:16 GMT -5
My heart is with Marvel 70s. It is my comics origin story. But the 60s is Kirby and Ditko and Steranko. The 60s is Marvel's origin story, so I have to go with that. I really think this should be a tie.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 18, 2021 9:36:13 GMT -5
I finally voted. I went 60s with the rationale being that because there were a whole lot less issues overall the good to bad ratio was better.
See...I can be optimistic in my cynicism.
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