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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 13, 2023 12:05:33 GMT -5
We have discussed ( argued) about what Stan Lee created vs what Jack Kirby created in their collaborations. No way of knowing for sure but the general consensus is that Kirby was the idea man and Lee wrote the dialogue and made the story come together. I was thinking about Kirby only comics and I wondered to myself if there are any really good issues they he alone produced. Off the top of my head I came up with Kamandi #6. It stayed with me because at the end, his female companion dies. Which stand alone comic book do you think Kirby knocked out of the park ?
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 13, 2023 12:24:12 GMT -5
One I think is great is Kamandi #16, where he uses a diary to explain the great catastrophe that turned the World into what it is. While at the same time it parallels what is happening on the pages. It is very sophisticated writing. I also like New Gods #8, The Death Wish of Terrible Turpin. I agree that Kamandi #6 was a good one.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 13, 2023 12:27:51 GMT -5
Streetwise.
Cei-U!
Nuff said!
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Post by arfetto on Jul 13, 2023 12:32:09 GMT -5
I do not know if you would consider it stand alone because the mystery of where Darkseid sent the Forever People continues in the next issue, but one that comes to mind for me is The Forever People issue 6 when The Omega Effect is introduced.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 13, 2023 12:36:03 GMT -5
I think I'll go with OMAC #1, it's such a hard, in-your-face introduction to a very messed up situation in an equally messed up world
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Post by majestic on Jul 13, 2023 12:37:46 GMT -5
Kamandi #29. The issue where Superman's costume is found. Kamandi is my favorite Kirby DC series.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 13, 2023 13:44:27 GMT -5
I also liked Eternals #8 and #9, specically Karkas and the Reject, Kirby reversed the chacaterizations, making the beautiful Reject cold and ruthless and the ugly beast Karkas a pure, poetic soul.  |
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Post by berkley on Jul 13, 2023 15:34:45 GMT -5
I also liked Eternals #8 and #9, specically Karkas and the Reject, Kirby reversed the chacaterizations, making the beautiful Reject cold and ruthless and the ugly beast Karkas a pure, poetic soul. This would be one of mine as well, although I would say #8, #9, and #10 to get the whole story. It isn't only the relationship between the Reject and Karkas that's important, it's their relationship with Thena as well. Whenever I see a new Eternals writer ignore this story and its implications (edit: or get those characters wrong), it's a sure sign to me that they haven't bothered paying attention to what was going on with the Eternals series as a whole. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 13, 2023 15:49:53 GMT -5
New Gods #6, "The Glory Boat," and #7, "The Pact. The synthesis of art and writing is amazing. Boys' Ranch #3, "Mother Delilah." There is similar conjecture as to who wrote the Simon & Kirby stories, but Kirby seems to be more the storyteller on their Harvey material and they tend to reflect his other works. I second the Eternals issues. I would also add Our Fighting Forces, with The Losers, especially #151, "Kill Me With Wagner!" and #152, "A Small Place in Hell." The latter will probably give you the closest feel for what Kirby went through, in combat.   The dialogue is short and terse; but, the story conveys the horror and the desperate stakes at hand. Kirby was in the 11th Infantry, part of Patton's 3rd Army Corps, during the Lorraine Campaign, as they advanced on Metz. He saw very heavy fighting. He hated Sgt Fury because it was a Hollywood idea of war, of jokes and blue-eyed heroics. In Our Fighting Forces, Jack got to write the real thing, with gallows humor and constant fighting. His group are bundled up in wool GI overcoats, with blankets and scarves wrapped around their heads, under their helmets. They are wet, cold, muddy and tired. That was Jack's war, before he was medevaced out, with severe trenchfoot, after days lying in mud and water, in November. He nearly lost his feet. The Losers and Our Fighting Forces tends to get overlooked, because it is a war comic; but, Kirby could do anything, whether it was superheroes, a war comic or westerns, like Boys' Ranch and The Rawhide Kid. I'd put "A Small Place in Hell" up against anything Kanigher and Kubert did and it is even more authentic than Harvey Kurtzman's Frontline Combat and Two-Fisted Tales. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 13, 2023 15:57:13 GMT -5
The Pact for sure and also Himon from Mister Miracle. The problem with picking things from the Eternals and the New Gods is that the individual stories can be appreciated fully only as part of a greater whole.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 13, 2023 16:04:37 GMT -5
Kamandi #29. The issue where Superman's costume is found. Kamandi is my favorite Kirby DC series. Kamandi #29 is a great choice. |
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 14, 2023 0:15:23 GMT -5
There are a lot of good answers, but only one correct answer  which codystarbuck already gave It's Our Fighting Forces #152, "A Small Place in Hell." |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 14, 2023 5:09:39 GMT -5
There are a lot of good answers, but only one correct answer which codystarbuck already gave It's Our Fighting Forces #152, "A Small Place in Hell." I bought that issue years ago and gave it away. I don't remember much writing, just a lot of fighting. |
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 14, 2023 6:46:31 GMT -5
There are some early books done 100% by Kirby after the War, but before Joe Simon was out of the Army. I know a few Boy Commandos were among them. I am not familiar enough with them to pick one.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 14, 2023 10:16:14 GMT -5
There are a lot of good answers, but only one correct answer which codystarbuck already gave It's Our Fighting Forces #152, "A Small Place in Hell." I bought that issue years ago and gave it away. I don't remember much writing, just a lot of fighting. Kirby was a storyteller; a lot of the writing is in the art. He didn't need a lot of narration and dialogue to get the point across. There is plenty of dialogue, it's just clipped because of the intensity of the situation. |
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