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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 30, 2014 3:24:52 GMT -5
So have a Beyonder moment with me, its Sunday evening, kick back and give us your ultimate What If...s, with a twist.
Im not talking What If Falcon became Captain America... I want to go a bit further. What I want is a What If Hawkeye was a member of the JLA, or What If Jim Aparo had been the artist on Marvel Team-Up. Put a case forward for why your Beyonder moment would have worked.
What If Ka-Zar invaded Skartaris by Mike Grell...Grells Warlord became one of DCs most popular comics for a while, and would have been a great setting for them to introduce their newly traded Ka-Zar. It would be easy to make a case for the Savage Land folk encroaching into Skartaris and who better to give as jungle barbarians in loin cloth action than the Mighty Grell. Covers by Frank Cho. Nuff said.
The other half of the trade stars in
Marvel Premiere featuring The Huntress by Englehart and Sienkiewicz. Hot off his Moon-Knight run, Bill S. lends his hand to the exploits of Helena Bertinelli. Follow the Huntress as she teams with her new partner Nighthawk.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 30, 2014 8:59:12 GMT -5
I think we should throw in Lorna, the Jungle Queen as a love interest for both, add some tension  |
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 30, 2014 9:29:20 GMT -5
What if Redwing became the new Captain America?
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 30, 2014 10:39:26 GMT -5
My what If? moment is , What if Stan Lee and John Buscema did most of the Silver and Bronze run of the JLA ? Maybe Marvel wouldn't exist right now.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 30, 2014 10:44:55 GMT -5
What if Bob Kane's dad had also represented Siegel and Shuster?
Cei-U!
I summon the contractual obligations!
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Post by Phil Maurice on Nov 30, 2014 10:55:39 GMT -5
What if Joe Maneely had not been killed in 1958, and had instead remained with Atlas cranking out sci-fi and monster stories for Stan Lee until the launch of the MU in 1961?
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Post by shaxper on Nov 30, 2014 11:15:49 GMT -5
What if DC's impact line had succeeded in the late 1980s?
DC held out for a very long time before giving in to the damaging trends of the 1990s. From 1990 to 1992, they were the company that was maintaining its integrity while losing market shares, largely spurning the trend of foil covers, polybags and trading cards, and #1 issues no one needed, ultimately giving in only when they could find no other way to remain in business. However, it's also a matter of record that their hemorrhaging of cash prompted them to abandon the Impact line while it was still in its infancy and hadn't yet had a chance to prove itself.
If DC had stuck with Impact, a line devoted to younger readers, invested more quality resources into it, and seen sales increase from it, they would have put their energy there instead of in the speculators' market, offering a contrast to what Marvel and Image were doing. Best yet, their target audience would be kids reading from newsstands, not the direct market, keeping comics high profile to the next generation of readers instead of allowing the medium to become marginalized and niche.
As the speculator bubble would inevitably burst, Marvel and other companies would see that what survived were quality comic books that kids could enjoy, and that the newsstand was still a viable market place for them. We'd likely never see bullsh*t like Identity Crisis and, today, would have heroes who act more like heroes, as well as significantly lower cover prices, as comics would still be sold in the hundred thousands on newsstands as opposed to the ten thousands in direct sales shops.
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Post by coke & comics on Nov 30, 2014 11:33:47 GMT -5
What if Jean Grey had stayed dead?
Maybe Marvel would have one day learned to generate ideas again rather than endlessly cycling old ones.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 30, 2014 11:40:19 GMT -5
As much as I hate to admit it's influence; what if Frank Miller had never wrote DKR? Would Batman be what he is now? Would be all have been spared Bale as Batman? Might there still be room for a balance of dark and light hearted stories?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 30, 2014 11:42:11 GMT -5
What if Joe Maneely had not been killed in 1958, and had instead remained with Atlas cranking out sci-fi and monster stories for Stan Lee until the launch of the MU in 1961? Pardon my ignorance, but I have not heard of this man and have no Atlas comic, but are these like many of the Marvel monster comics? Edit: How sad he died so young. And at such a fluke. The few of his covers were on Wikipedia. That Yellow Claw cover is amazing! |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 30, 2014 11:56:55 GMT -5
What if Jean Grey had stayed dead? Maybe Marvel would have one day learned to generate ideas again rather than endlessly cycling old ones. Eventually, SOMEONE would have brought her back after Shooter left. Too big a sales generator for someone without attachment to that original decision to pass up. Same reason Jason Todd came back after Denny O'Neil's tenure in the Bat Office ended. As much as I hate to admit it's influence; what if Frank Miller had never wrote DKR? Would Batman be what he is now? Would be all have been spared Bale as Batman? Might there still be room for a balance of dark and light hearted stories? There was plenty of darkness being pumped into Batman prior to Miller, but you're right; there was a balance. I think, more significantly though, without DKR, Batman never would have risen to become DC's #1 property. If nothing else, Miller brought the media exposure that opened the doorway for Year One, Death in the Family, and the 1989 Tim Burton film. The late 1980s would have been a quiet time for Batman without Miller. |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Nov 30, 2014 12:04:47 GMT -5
Pardon my ignorance, but I have not heard of this man and have no Atlas comic, but are these like many of the Marvel monster comics? Edit: How sad he died so young. And at such a fluke. The few of his covers were on Wikipedia. That Yellow Claw cover is amazing! Maneely could and did draw just about everything, including Western and War titles, as well as a great, short run on Atlas' The Black Knight. His Atlas horror and sci-fi work is similar to what would appear in the pre-hero Marvel books like Tales to Astonish and Tales of Suspense. He would likely have found plenty of work there.
Yellow Claw, you say? I'll have to check that out. *
(*Kidding. Huge fan of the quickly cancelled Claw. Recently completed collecting the full, four-issue run.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 12:06:54 GMT -5
What would Peter (Spiderman) Parker Uncle Ben lived!; and his beloved Aunt May died instead. That's would be a very interesting twist indeed.
Uncle Ben Lived and Aunt May Died.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 30, 2014 12:58:44 GMT -5
There was plenty of darkness being pumped into Batman prior to Miller, but you're right; there was a balance. I think, more significantly though, without DKR, Batman never would have risen to become DC's #1 property. If nothing else, Miller brought the media exposure that opened the doorway for Year One, Death in the Family, and the 1989 Tim Burton film. The late 1980s would have been a quiet time for Batman without Miller. Thats why I wonder what Batman would be like without DKR. It in some cases may have brought us good Batman stories, comics or other mediums, but overall did it do worse for Batman as a franchise even if it did make him more universally recognized? For me the awesome of Tim Burton's film could be sacrificed for Nolan's. Would Morrison had a place for his near demonic story to promote #666 if not for DKR? Or would #666 just passed by like #667 or #665? Stories like The Killing Joke were certainly dark but at least they had the intent to tell a story that might shape a different view or help the reader gain insight into these characters. It gave future writers something to use or ignore. DKR was a future storyline, almost a Elseworld, and an excuse for Miller to write Batman as a grumpy asshole. So it's frustrating it get the notoriety it does for, in my opinion, being nothing but fan fiction. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 30, 2014 13:01:36 GMT -5
Yellow Claw, you say? I'll have to check that out. (*Kidding. Huge fan of the quickly cancelled Claw. Recently completed collecting the full, four-issue run.) oh thanks Phil! :-) Here I thought I knew something about comics you didn't and then you pulled my chain. Is any of these Atlas titles like Yellow Claw collected or is single issues the only way to go? |
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