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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jun 28, 2021 23:50:13 GMT -5
Hmm. I wonder if the cage match between the Abomination and Wong we glimpsed in the new trailer is one of those scenes that never actually makes it into the final cut of the movie that often pepper Marvel trailers. -M That would be a pretty nutty bait and switch, which I think would rub people the wrong way. A scene like that looks like it can have some relevance to the plot. If it was something like what we saw in Avengers Infinity War with the Hulk on Wakanda along with the other avengers charging into battle, it would be fine. But with something like Abomination who hasn't been seen in 13 years taking on a disciple from Kamar-Taj, it immediately raises questions.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jun 27, 2021 6:55:12 GMT -5
The creators probably weren't going to adapt the original premise of Shang Chi working with British Intelligence to take down his father i.e. The West taking out big bad China. That just wasn't going to fly in today's age.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jun 24, 2021 23:58:10 GMT -5
As for the new trailer, it's not much new. But the surprise at the end was very interesting. Abomination of all people in the tournament for the ten rings (that's the theory) against a sorcerer from the Kamar-Taj school. Abomination is supposed to come back in the upcoming She-Hulk Disney+ series, but make an appearance here first. Weird, but interesting.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jun 24, 2021 23:55:35 GMT -5
Blame Shane Black for turning Mandarian into a joke for Iron Man III. I haven't seen Iron Man 3 since I saw it in the theaters. When Shang Chi was announced, and it was revealed that the Mandarin was in fact not a hoax, it made me potentially going back to that film down the road not a big deal.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on May 26, 2021 21:37:33 GMT -5
Hopefully this film forces people to get out of their comfort zone more. I'm beside myself to a degree having a chuckle reading about all of the "it looks boring" takes from the teaser. I guess people were expecting folks in the trailer to be running from things? Kevin Feige and his band of creative yahoos have gained enough clout ater 20 plus movies to give them the benefit of the doubt in my book.
As for Kirby, love him in doses, but he wasn't beyond reproach. So it's not exactly like Kirby's vision which was initially cancelled after 20 issues because no one cared. The casual public knows nothing about the Eternals, so Marvel had more creative freedom to shake things up to fit within the MCU which is different than the comic universe in itself. Maybe consider judging the movie on it's own merit instead of what Jack Kirby would have done. It might turn out better than his initial ideas.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on May 24, 2021 8:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 23, 2021 21:01:16 GMT -5
Holy... someone was trippin on acid when they made this show lol.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 23, 2021 20:56:52 GMT -5
The show peaked at episode 4 for me, but then had a steady decline towards the end. {Spoiler: Click to show} - Sharon Carter as the Power Broker was lame. Why is Marvel making her a full on bad guy??? Hope she's a skrull. - I have mixed feelings on Sam as Captain America. I'm black myself, and thought it was cooler when he was just The Falcon. Not interested in hand-me-downs, and how now it's an entire circus regarding his race. - I guess Julia Louise Dreyfus was our main cameo, but that didn't really move the needle for me. Was hoping for a hint at a heavy hitter towards the end. - Should have just called Bucky the Winter Wolf now.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 21, 2021 20:48:53 GMT -5
I'm not surprised Marvel was more flexible with this character, since 99% of even the casual comic book fan barely know who Shang Chi is, let alone aspects about his character history. He might still get into the spy arena down the road. Perhaps with the story they wanted to tell with the Ten Rings and it's mysticism/The Mandarin, it would have divided the focus too much if you try to make it a spy flick also. Then the film doesn't know what it wants to be. Except that Ant-Man demonstrated you could depart (Marvel) formula and the fans would still come, if you do it well enough. Doing a spy/kung fu mash up probably would have done far more to make this stand out. Yeah...and I wasn't arguing against that? I said that the creators of this movie decided to be more flexible, instead of doing a paint by numbers of the source material, since it was largely unknown. Ant Man did a similar thing. So did Guardians of the Galaxy which is very different from it's inception comic. 99% of people aren't going to complain about Shang Chi not being a James Bond type film with martial arts, and maybe the writers just wanted to go in a different direction when combining the Mandarin's ten rings. It's not like the spirit of the character is at risk, because Shang Chi hasn't been establish in the public consciousness like some other bigger heroes from Marvel. A kung fu/spy mash up might stand out more, but that doesn't mean it would necessarily been good either. This movie hasn't been released yet, and I can understand if you aren't interested as a long time Shang Chi fan, doesn't mean it won't be as good as anything that came out of that comic as a story just because it isn't in the spy genre. We'll see. This is a kung fu film, which hasn't been seen before in the MCU. That alone stands out at the very least.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 21, 2021 17:18:11 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with not using Fu Manchu or any of the Rohmer stuff; but, would have liked to see it capture more of the Moench & Gulacy mixture of Bond and kung fu. What I see in the trailer looks like a dozen other HK action films. The closest we ever really got to what Moench & Gulacy were doing was Enter the Dragon, which inspired a lot of their take, in the first place. That is the stuff that made Shang Chi a cult hero instead of a generic martial arts swipe. I'm not surprised Marvel was more flexible with this character, since 99% of even the casual comic book fan barely know who Shang Chi is, let alone aspects about his character history. He might still get into the spy arena down the road. Perhaps with the story they wanted to tell with the Ten Rings and it's mysticism/The Mandarin, it would have divided the focus too much if you try to make it a spy flick also. Then the film doesn't know what it wants to be.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 21, 2021 16:53:52 GMT -5
I mean, they had Foo Dogs, gravity defying water, glowing rings, and a lady in a straw hat moving like the wind. And Fin Fang Foom is supposed to be in the movie. Seems like it would fall under the category of fantastic elements to me. I didn’t see all that in the trailer that I watched. But even so, in the 70’s they had a Kung Fu movie where the fighters were running on tree tops and that doesn’t make it a Marvel movie anymore than floating water does. That's a funny take, because already this trailer has more fantastical elements than all three Captain America films had, or I'm guessing Black Window will have. Marvel is pretty diverse in it's content, while still all falling under a superhero banner. That's a good thing. And I don't see how a Marvel movie isn't a Marvel movie if it has people running on trees or floating water, but a magic space rock building an advanced tech society in Africa, super solider serum, or wizards guarding time gems fits the bill. Or does that not count too? If you aren't interested in the film cool, but to gatekeep and say it doesn't fit Marvel's wheelhouse is kinda nutty.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 21, 2021 5:36:09 GMT -5
Honestly, I am fine with changes seen so far in adapting Shang Chi to a movie. It makes more sense having Mandarin be his father since it keeps everything comic book related. Besides, how well known is Fu Manchu to anyone other than us oldsters? I can also accept the Martial Arts style that will be seen is different. Since Chi was based on 70's Kung Fu movies it does make sense that for modern fans he move and fight with styles which reflect modern Hong Kong cinema. Maybe after this big Showdown in defiance of Papa Mandarin we can get Shang into the Spy world for a 2nd movie. Along with Tarr, Reston and Leiko and Shen Kui the Cat and Rufus Midnight Carter on a mission. I'm not sure I want to live in a world where people are complaining that Fu Manchu isn't in the film if any older readers are in the first place. Oof.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 21, 2021 5:34:47 GMT -5
It looks like every 70's Kung fu flick. I didn't see any fantastic elements that make it a Marvel movie. I think I'll pass. I mean, they had Foo Dogs, gravity defying water, glowing rings, and a lady in a straw hat moving like the wind. And Fin Fang Foom is supposed to be in the movie. Seems like it would fall under the category of fantastic elements to me.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 19, 2021 23:56:35 GMT -5
Don't forget your correct phonetics folks
For real... although TBH, this has been going on a long time and most Asian Americans have just accepted the mispronunciation at this point. Chinese and Korean surnames like Chang, Jiang, Kang, Tang, etc. all get this treatment. Most folks I know with those last names don't even both correcting people.
Yeah I'm sure it gets tiring. When I studied Chinese for a bit a awhile ago, I felt like such a dimwit for having pronounced names like Chang or Zhong incorrectly lol.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 19, 2021 21:38:37 GMT -5
They sold me on this 100% when I saw Razorfist in the trailer. Only way they could make me more excited is if they were also utilizing The Cat and/or Zaran. Razorfist. Too bad he's such a forgettable Marvel baddie, as he had a cool name. I'm not sure if Razorfist sounds cooler than Iron Fist.
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