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Post by coveredinbees on Dec 23, 2014 7:55:29 GMT -5
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Post by hondobrode on Dec 23, 2014 8:35:24 GMT -5
Haven't read this or Thunderworld yet but looking forward to them.
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Post by fanboystranger on Dec 23, 2014 10:19:19 GMT -5
Haven't read this or Thunderworld yet but looking forward to them. Pax Americana is great. Maybe a bit too concerned about being technically proficient and formalist than telling a truly classic story, but despite that, definitely worth reading a few times to absorb everything. It will probably be the part of Multiversity that most commenters will focus on, but for pure enjoyment, I have to give it to Thunderworld, an absolute blast of a Captain Marvel comic. And unlike the others, which end on a down note, Thunderworld is optimistic, which is what I want out of a Captain Marvel comic. If you're like me, at the end of Thunderworld, you'll think this overarching omniversal threat that fuels the series doesn't stand a chance. Best Captain Marvel since Jeff Smith's, and maybe even better than that.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 23, 2014 23:14:34 GMT -5
Haven't read this or Thunderworld yet but looking forward to them. Pax Americana is great. Maybe a bit too concerned about being technically proficient and formalist than telling a truly classic story, but despite that, definitely worth reading a few times to absorb everything. It will probably be the part of Multiversity that most commenters will focus on, but for pure enjoyment, I have to give it to Thunderworld, an absolute blast of a Captain Marvel comic. And unlike the others, which end on a down note, Thunderworld is optimistic, which is what I want out of a Captain Marvel comic. If you're like me, at the end of Thunderworld, you'll think this overarching omniversal threat that fuels the series doesn't stand a chance. Best Captain Marvel since Jeff Smith's, and maybe even better than that. Other than the initial issue Thunderworld was the only one I've really loved and for all the reasons you listed.
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Post by berkley on Dec 24, 2014 0:27:30 GMT -5
After 5 issues or however many it is now, I find I'm starting to warm a bit to the series - perhaps in part as a reaction against some of the negative comments I've seen around the web, but mostly I think because there's been enough instalments now for a cumulative effect to begin to make itself felt.
This may seem a bit paradoxical, since each issue is at one level an individual story devoted to a separate world, but I believe this is one series that, to an even greater degree than is usually the case for any multi-part story - will have to be judged as a whole rather than as individual issues.
Because each issue is just a sketch of a different world - as a single issue it can't be much more than that, no matter how densely packed or deftly written. Some of them, in my view, haven't even given us a complete story, just the beginnings of one - The Just, for example. I think this is one reason the Thunderworld instalment has been one of the most popular so far - it felt a little more complete in itself than the others.
I'm still digesting the Pax Americana issue. There's a lot there. I'm still discovering new things in it, and don't feel I yet have a grasp on everything that's going on in there. I've avoided reading any commentaries or explanations of it for now because I want give myself a chance to come to grips with it myself first. So I don't want to comment too much on that one yet.
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Post by Ozymandias on Dec 27, 2014 11:55:31 GMT -5
So, they couldn't use Thunderbolt, and went with Judo Master instead. I'll get to it eventually, it's always nice to read these tribute stories.
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Post by fanboystranger on Dec 30, 2014 8:46:32 GMT -5
This may seem a bit paradoxical, since each issue is at one level an individual story devoted to a separate world, but I believe this is one series that, to an even greater degree than is usually the case for any multi-part story - will have to be judged as a whole rather than as individual issues. Because each issue is just a sketch of a different world - as a single issue it can't be much more than that, no matter how densely packed or deftly written. Some of them, in my view, haven't even given us a complete story, just the beginnings of one - The Just, for example. I think this is one reason the Thunderworld instalment has been one of the most popular so far - it felt a little more complete in itself than the others. I think that's a very astute criticism of the series so far-- they are all snapshots of various worlds so far, and while the overall plot of Multiversity is present in all of them, it's in background of more immediate threats that may not be immediately identifiable with the overall problem. It's an interesting approach that makes me want more from each world, but only Thunderworld felt like it had any sense of resolution for its story. (Well, I guess Pax America does, too, in the sense that everything came full circle.)
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Post by earl on Dec 31, 2014 11:32:07 GMT -5
Pax Americana was a pretty amazing and very dense comic. Sad thing is that like some of the elements from 7 Soldiers and Final Crisis, no one will properly be able to follow up and really fill in the blanks alluded in the issue. I thought the takes on the characters and the setting was excellent. The whole series is pretty much a super hero comic about a super hero comic that can destroy everything filled with all sorts of comic easter egg moments. While I can see how some people that prefer a more straight forward narrative finds this exercise by Grant Morrison willfully confusing, the level of detail put into some of these comics is quite excellent and why I think they hold up to multiple readings so well.
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Post by fanboystranger on Dec 31, 2014 12:35:22 GMT -5
Tangent: Anyone else reading Morrison and Frazier Irving's Annihilator? I was somewhat underhelmed by the first issue thinking it was the same old Morrison reality shell game, but it has really developed into an interesting series about the creative process. Issue 4, in particular, is a standout, and despite the cosmic elements, may actually be Morrison at his most personal critiquing his own work and persona. It goes to some dark places. Unlike most of Grant's recent creator-owned work, which really felt like they were rejected movie pitches, this is something we can place next to The Filth and Flex Mentallo as a look into Grant's mind and how he sometimes struggles with his work. Of course, Irving's work is top-notch, as always.
I highly recommend checking it out if you're not already reading it. It's really getting overshadowed by Multiversity, but I think it's the more vital work if you're a Morrison fan.
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Post by earl on Dec 31, 2014 21:35:16 GMT -5
I asked my local shop to put that one in my folder and it never happened. I'm trade waiting on Annihilator at this point. Grant Morrison is a comic writer that is usually worth reading even if it isn't his best.
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Post by Spike-X on Dec 31, 2014 21:50:36 GMT -5
I read Pax Americana on my iPad. Not the best format for Frank Quitely's wonderfully detailed art to really shine.
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Post by berkley on Jan 1, 2015 3:12:47 GMT -5
Tangent: Anyone else reading Morrison and Frazier Irving's Annihilator? I was somewhat underhelmed by the first issue thinking it was the same old Morrison reality shell game, but it has really developed into an interesting series about the creative process. Issue 4, in particular, is a standout, and despite the cosmic elements, may actually be Morrison at his most personal critiquing his own work and persona. It goes to some dark places. Unlike most of Grant's recent creator-owned work, which really felt like they were rejected movie pitches, this is something we can place next to The Filth and Flex Mentallo as a look into Grant's mind and how he sometimes struggles with his work. Of course, Irving's work is top-notch, as always. I highly recommend checking it out if you're not already reading it. It's really getting overshadowed by Multiversity, but I think it's the more vital work if you're a Morrison fan. Hadn't heard about this until now for some reason. I think I'll wait for the trade, since it's already up to issue 4 or later.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jan 1, 2015 3:20:04 GMT -5
Tangent: Anyone else reading Morrison and Frazier Irving's Annihilator? I was somewhat underhelmed by the first issue thinking it was the same old Morrison reality shell game, but it has really developed into an interesting series about the creative process. Issue 4, in particular, is a standout, and despite the cosmic elements, may actually be Morrison at his most personal critiquing his own work and persona. It goes to some dark places. Unlike most of Grant's recent creator-owned work, which really felt like they were rejected movie pitches, this is something we can place next to The Filth and Flex Mentallo as a look into Grant's mind and how he sometimes struggles with his work. Of course, Irving's work is top-notch, as always. I highly recommend checking it out if you're not already reading it. It's really getting overshadowed by Multiversity, but I think it's the more vital work if you're a Morrison fan. Hadn't heard about this until now for some reason. I think I'll wait for the trade, since it's already up to issue 4 or later. Probably a good call as it's a six issue series, and Legendary is very good about getting their collections out in a timely manner. I think it will read even better collected.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Apr 24, 2016 14:09:19 GMT -5
So, they couldn't use Thunderbolt, and went with Judo Master instead. I'll get to it eventually, it's always nice to read these tribute stories. Judomaster was there because he came from the same era. Honestly, I wish they'd just included Lev Gleason's Daredevil and a guy in Roman armor in non-speaking roles in the group shot, just as a peek-in to the characters.
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